Music in Church?

[oldhermit]

Show me the Greek where it says the "authority" of instruments is not allowed. Of course, you know that word is ἐξουσία or exousia! Jesus is the final authority, and he did NOT condemn instruments.

You know as well as I do Angela that this is not question of explicit prohibition but one of a lack of support. I can see in the NT where we are commanded to worship in song but you cannot show me one NT scripture were we are told to use instruments in the worship of the Church.

 

[The_highwayman]

The best argument is authority, and if you use the doctrine of Christ as your authority (the bible) you will not find the authority to use mechanical musical instruments in the Lords church, you will not find it in the pattern described in the Holy Writ.

and you wont find that the Holy Writ bans them either....

 

[Jabberjaw]

Blond here..... I have a question for you......Are you Amish? Do you own a cell phone, TV, Car, electricity in your home? Just wondering....because these things are called progress and in and of themselves they are not really harmful but quite helpful to us today. Are we not suppose to advance? I see nothing wrong with any musical instruments cave man style or as technological as they come today. It is how one plays it and for what purpose they are playing it. Is it to glorify self or is it in praise and worship of our Creator God?

No I am not Amish, yes I have a cell phone, TV, Car and electricity in my home, yes I have flown on airplanes (I worked on them for over 30 years). when the apostles were told to "go" (Matt 28:19) did the Lord say how? no, a plane, train or automobile are "expedient", it does not change the command to "go".

When Jesus sat on the mount, he used the mount because it was expedient to use it to "publicly address" the number of people. (Matt 5:1)

When Jesus again addressed a multitude, He pushed off the shore in a boat to "publicly address" the number of people, the boat was "expedient" to address the people...

Today we use electricity and a microphone to "publicly address" the people, it is like the boat, and the mountain "expedient" to address the people, it does not change the message.

Music has been used in the Bible and is encouraged as a matter of fact. I'm not posting Bible verses as with as many posts that have been made I am sure there are a plethora of them to pick from... I admit I have not read the entire thread but your post caught my attention and needed to be addressed by me. Many instruments are mentioned in the Bible, singing, dancing, praising God.

Actually we should be praising God now instead of all this bickering over music...Praise to the Lord the Almighty King of creation, Oh my soul praise him for he is the health and salvation. All ye who hear now to His temple draw near. Join ye in glad adoration.

Again, please show me where in the bible, on this earth, where the NT church from the day of Pentecost until today used instrumental music other than the voice and the heart, so I can use it too...

 

[tourist]

Just take those old records off the shelf
I'll sit and listen to 'em by myself
Today's music ain't got the same soul
I like that old time rock 'n' roll
Don't try to take me to a disco
You'll never even get me out on the floor
In ten minutes I'll be late for the door
I like that old time rock 'n' roll
Ooh

Still like that old time rock 'n' roll
That kind of music just soothes the soul ooh
I reminisce about the days of old
With that old time rock 'n' roll
Won't go to hear them play a tango
I'd rather hear some blues or funky old soul
There's only one sure way to get me to go
Start playing old time rock 'n' roll
Call me a relic, call me what you will
Say I'm old-fashioned, say I'm over the hill
Today's music ain't got the same soul
I like that old time rock 'n' roll

Still like that old time rock 'n' roll
That kind of music just soothes the soul
I reminisce about the days of old
With that old time rock 'n' roll

Still like that old time rock and roll
That kind of music just soothes the soul
I reminisce about the days of old
With that old time rock 'n' roll
With that old time rock 'n' roll
With that old time rock 'n' roll

Still like that old time rock 'n' roll.

 

[JesusLives]

I'm beginning to think that the non-music lovers are also the women don't speak in church people. Is this a fair assumption? Bus is loading now you don't want to miss it.....EXIT THIS WAY---------------------------------->

 

[Jabberjaw]

and you wont find that the Holy Writ bans them either....

as I said in a previous post, when you go to McDonald's, and you want a big mack, do you tell them everything you don't want on the menu so as to get your big mack?

 

[oldhermit]

It overturns nothing, but in fact compliments his instruction. The two are in no way opposed. The command to sing psalms in no way cancels out accompaniment of that singing, or even instrumentals. The question is about whether or not it is beneficial in corporate worship, not about whether it is allowed in Scripture. It is certainly within our freedom and authority.

If the passages in Col. and Eph. are to be understood to include instrumental worship then please explain to me why Church flatly rejected the instrument in worship for at least the first 1000 years of Church history. Do you think they misunderstoo the apostolic instruction on this matter?

 

[Jabberjaw]

oh and another thing...you do know that worship has zero to do with music and everything to do with lifestyle right?

I guess you guys did not get the memo on that one.

No because you must have wrote the memo, if it was written by an apostle we all would have got it.

 

[The_highwayman]

Because they do not read the bible.

OH we read the Bible, all of it, and do not omit the parts that conveniently allow us to keep our PET doctrine sound.

 

[JesusLives]

No I am not Amish, yes I have a cell phone, TV, Car and electricity in my home, yes I have flown on airplanes (I worked on them for over 30 years). when the apostles were told to "go" (Matt 28:19) did the Lord say how? no, a plane, train or automobile are "expedient", it does not change the command to "go".

When Jesus sat on the mount, he used the mount because it was expedient to use it to "publicly address" the number of people. (Matt 5:1)

When Jesus again addressed a multitude, He pushed off the shore in a boat to "publicly address" the number of people, the boat was "expedient" to address the people...

Today we use electricity and a microphone to "publicly address" the people, it is like the boat, and the mountain "expedient" to address the people, it does not change the message.



Again, please show me where in the bible, on this earth, where the NT church from the day of Pentecost until today used instrumental music other than the voice and the heart, so I can use it too...

It is also expedient that music in any form of instrumentation be used to help spread the gospel as music may be the only way to reach some.....it's all about Jesus and getting people introduced to Him....Why do you want to kick against the goads? God reaches people through music and I have been reached through music.... Hurry up now you don't want to miss that bus.

 

[Blain]

as I said in a previous post, when you go to McDonald's, and you want a big mack, do you tell them everything you don't want on the menu so as to get your big mack?

Again that is beside the point this is a matter of if it is biblical to use those instruments or not. see neither side can produce scripture that say whether we are supposed to use those kinds of instruments or not so on both sides its a matter of opinion we are going in circles here this argument is useless I cannot provide scriptures that approves of mechanical instuments and you cannot provide scripture that banns them. are good now? can we move on?

 

[Jabberjaw]

I'm beginning to think that the non-music lovers are also the women don't speak in church people. Is this a fair assumption? Bus is loading now you don't want to miss it.....EXIT THIS WAY---------------------------------->

If you can't stand against the truth, change the subject right?

 

[Siberian_Khatru]

Please, do not fight.

Sorry about your thread, JesusMyOnly. Hopefully some of the info helps you on your journey.

 

[MsLimpet]

Who agrees we are living in the New Testament Church?

 

[kennethcadwell]

• [h=4]Amos 6:5[/h]You make up songs on your harps, and, like David, you compose songs on musical instruments.
  
  

 

[Jabberjaw]

Again that is beside the point this is a matter of if it is biblical to use those instruments or not. see neither side can produce scripture that say whether we are supposed to use those kinds of instruments or not so on both sides its a matter of opinion we are going in circles here this argument is useless I cannot provide scriptures that approves of mechanical instuments and you cannot provide scripture that banns them. are good now? can we move on?

I and others have show musical instruments are commanded in worship, you just aren't happy with the instrument, Col. 3:16 and Eph 5:19 both say the instrument played are the strings of the heart... you want to change the instrument to the one that makes you happy and are not interested in the instrument that makes the Lord happy.

 

[JesusLives]

If you can't stand against the truth, change the subject right?

I have been speaking music and I'd sing you music too if I could and I would sing with any instrument available and I believe with all my heart God would be singing with me... He would like you to sing with Him too. Jesus loves you this I know for the Bible tells me so... He loves singing you know why, because He came for you to die. Yes Jesus Loves You. Yes Jesus Loves You Yes Jesus Loves You and He would sing this too.

 

[oldhermit]

I don't know. I guess you want to bring back the rituals of the RC church then? Like indulgences and the necessity of the mass to save? Or that the church saves, rather than Jesus Christ? Because that is what happened to the western church under the heavy hand of the RCC.

The early church got really off course, because of Jerome's poor translation into Latin, and the fact that no one could read Latin, except some of the priests, and what Rome said is what happened. Following an earthly authority instead of the Bible got the early church terribly off course, I think you will agree.

Besides, you never answered a single thing I said in my post!

No, of course not. You know I hold no regard for the RCC. Yes, I understand that there were extensive issues of apostasy but this still does not explain why even the faithful bodies of the Church rejected the instrument in worship. Did they misunderstand Paul's instructions on this or did they blatantly reject his instructions? I think these are questions that deserve to be answered.

 

[Reborn]

Sorry about your thread, JesusMyOnly. Hopefully some of the info helps you on your journey.

Best comment yet.
Very cool.

 

[The_highwayman]

as I said in a previous post, when you go to McDonald's, and you want a big mack, do you tell them everything you don't want on the menu so as to get your big mack?

you cannot provide a verse and you wont, because it does not exist. Some folks call this: telling a tall tale, putting inches on the fish.