Must a Christian read the Ten Commandments to Know How God wants them to live?
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All that actually has to do with salvation knowledge is written many times in the New Testament. The knowledge of what causes sin, what sin is, and how God delivers men from sin is there.
Bible distribution ministries send millions of N.T Bibles into the world in most known languages. The gospel is what Jesus commended to preach, not Moses. Billions are reached only by the preaching of the gospel of Christ, as written in the N.T.
If a person can't recognize his sinful state from the N.T Bible, reading from the old will not help. In fact, that hinders with a large burden not meant for outside of Israel. The 10 Commandments are embedded twice (Exodus 20:2-17 and again Deu. 5:6-21) with a total of 613 laws, directly linking them to the whole of Moses' law, through the end of Deuteronomy. Saying the Decalogue is separate from the rest of the laws is error. Those laws were not given to the Gentiles, who if not converting to Judaism had to wait for the Messiah Jesus to come offering them the New Covenant.
Notice Jesus never went on record quoting more than 6 of the 10 together.
Mark 10:19-21 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
In verse 21 Jesus focused on the gospel, not Moses, not the Decalogue.
The rich man still lacked according to Jesus.
Keeping the 10 "from my youth" was not enough.
Preaching the simple gospel of Christ is the word of God unto salvation for those who believe it, and act upon it. For the majority of people in the world, even if they only had access to an Old Testament few if any could detect signs of the salvation through the gospel of Christ in it, but would end up mired in the law of sin and death and perish in it like the Jews did. Even if they did all 613 laws it wouldn't be enough.
Some say Paul endorsed the law for all because he learned about sin from the law. Well, he was a Jew, not a Gentile, who was an expert at the law. That sin must only be exposed through the law is error. The epistles agree, knowledge of sin and the way of salvation is what the New Testament is about.
Romans 2:11-16 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] For there is no respect of persons with God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
[SUP]13 [/SUP] (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
[SUP]16 [/SUP] In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Moses will not be presiding at the Judgment. It will be Jesus, and the judgment will be according to the full gospel of the New Covenant.
Bible distribution ministries send millions of N.T Bibles into the world in most known languages. The gospel is what Jesus commended to preach, not Moses. Billions are reached only by the preaching of the gospel of Christ, as written in the N.T.
If a person can't recognize his sinful state from the N.T Bible, reading from the old will not help. In fact, that hinders with a large burden not meant for outside of Israel. The 10 Commandments are embedded twice (Exodus 20:2-17 and again Deu. 5:6-21) with a total of 613 laws, directly linking them to the whole of Moses' law, through the end of Deuteronomy. Saying the Decalogue is separate from the rest of the laws is error. Those laws were not given to the Gentiles, who if not converting to Judaism had to wait for the Messiah Jesus to come offering them the New Covenant.
Notice Jesus never went on record quoting more than 6 of the 10 together.
Mark 10:19-21 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
In verse 21 Jesus focused on the gospel, not Moses, not the Decalogue.
The rich man still lacked according to Jesus.
Keeping the 10 "from my youth" was not enough.
Preaching the simple gospel of Christ is the word of God unto salvation for those who believe it, and act upon it. For the majority of people in the world, even if they only had access to an Old Testament few if any could detect signs of the salvation through the gospel of Christ in it, but would end up mired in the law of sin and death and perish in it like the Jews did. Even if they did all 613 laws it wouldn't be enough.
Some say Paul endorsed the law for all because he learned about sin from the law. Well, he was a Jew, not a Gentile, who was an expert at the law. That sin must only be exposed through the law is error. The epistles agree, knowledge of sin and the way of salvation is what the New Testament is about.
Romans 2:11-16 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] For there is no respect of persons with God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
[SUP]13 [/SUP] (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
[SUP]16 [/SUP] In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Moses will not be presiding at the Judgment. It will be Jesus, and the judgment will be according to the full gospel of the New Covenant.
L
Exodus 31:18 KJV
(18) And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
Deuteronomy 31:24-26 KJV
(24) And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
(25) That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
(26) Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
The ten commandments were written by the finger of God and placed inside the ark while Moses wrote a book of the law and it was placed on the side of the ark. I know that you people teaching the love gospel anytime someone mentions the law you always cry legalism. Because the love gospel does not have any law especially the 4th.
(18) And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
Deuteronomy 31:24-26 KJV
(24) And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
(25) That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
(26) Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
The ten commandments were written by the finger of God and placed inside the ark while Moses wrote a book of the law and it was placed on the side of the ark. I know that you people teaching the love gospel anytime someone mentions the law you always cry legalism. Because the love gospel does not have any law especially the 4th.
M
So whats your point? You heard of the NEW Testament?
Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
God knows our hearts.
The standard to meet is Jesus the Christ.He has given us all we need to be made righteous.
How does a Christian know we are with God? Jeremiah didn't have a good answer, but did point out what the law does to people, ministering death to men. This might help
1 John 4:10-13 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
The standard to meet is Jesus the Christ.He has given us all we need to be made righteous.
How does a Christian know we are with God? Jeremiah didn't have a good answer, but did point out what the law does to people, ministering death to men. This might help
1 John 4:10-13 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
L
You heard of all the Bible? Are you saying you only read the New Testament?
2 Timothy 3:16 KJV
(16) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
The texts I showed tell us that the law of Moses is not the ten commandments. The law of Moses is what Moses wrote in a book while God wrote the ten commandments with His finger so is not the law of Moses it is the law or commandments of God.
Revelation 14:12 KJV
(12) Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
M
So what point do you think your making....the New Testament reveals the gospel and the purpose of the law... So of course the OLD testament is going to teach the law and the New Testament is going to teach the gospel.
Ro 1:16 ¶ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Ro 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Ro 1:16 ¶ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Ro 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Use your brains for a second and think about this:
how do you know what sin is?
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
So Paul says and remember this is after Jesus has come. that we know sin because of the law.
So you need the law to know what sin is. So is the law a description of sin?
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
no rather the law said what is good eg its good to not steal. but when we look at the law we know we are sinning if we steal.
So then the law shows what is good. but evil hearts do what is sin/breaking the law.
So then if your heart is changed and you no longer walk in the flesh but in the spirit then you will keep the law.
If you break any of those 10 commandments then you are convicted as a sinner.
The very fact that you acknowledge that the law shows sin means you need it to know good from evil.
if you know what good is then you would know by default what evil is.
So if All God had to do was write it on our hearts then we don't need the law at all, not even to know sin.
how do you know what sin is?
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
So Paul says and remember this is after Jesus has come. that we know sin because of the law.
So you need the law to know what sin is. So is the law a description of sin?
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
no rather the law said what is good eg its good to not steal. but when we look at the law we know we are sinning if we steal.
So then the law shows what is good. but evil hearts do what is sin/breaking the law.
So then if your heart is changed and you no longer walk in the flesh but in the spirit then you will keep the law.
If you break any of those 10 commandments then you are convicted as a sinner.
The very fact that you acknowledge that the law shows sin means you need it to know good from evil.
if you know what good is then you would know by default what evil is.
So if All God had to do was write it on our hearts then we don't need the law at all, not even to know sin.
M
No, our conscience can tell us. Yet it is helpful to look in the mirror (the 10 Commandments), sometimes we have stuff on our face that needs cleaned up(sin in our lives that we need to repent of). Spiritual Check ups are a good thing, we don't want to end up like Samson and wake up one day not knowing if God had left us! It's important that God does it though. Also it helps one to humble themselves before God in prayer and worship