NEW LIES ABOUT THE BIBLE

[Mitspa]

Its sad that some are so willing to believe whatever new lie the devil tells to cast doubt upon the truth of Gods Word...It seems there is a growing deception that the New Testament was really written in Hebrew...on this thread I hope to have a honest discussion and show clear evidence that the New Testament was clearly written and passed down in the Greek ...

I will use the most well educated and trusted scholars to make my points....I invite all to really look at any source used in this discussion, because a lot of these folks teaching this stuff are not folks who have seen their work stand the test of time and truth.

The distinguished scholar F. F. Bruce, in The Books and the Parchments, tells us that Greek was undoubtedly the language of the New Testament. He asserts, "Although Aramaci appears to have been the common language of our Lord and of the earliest Christians, it is not the language of the New Testament. . . .

• "The language most appropriate for the propagation of this message would naturally be one that was most widely known throughout all the nations, and this language lay ready to hand. It was the Greek language, which, at the time when the gospel began to be proclaimed among all the nations, was a THOROUGHLY INTERNATIONAL LANGUAGE, spoken not only around the Aegean shores but all over the Eastern Mediterranean and in other areas too. Greek was no strange tongue to the apostolic church even in the days when it was confined to Jerusalem, for the membership of the primitive Jerusalem church included Greek-speaking Jews as well as Aramaic-speaking Jews. These Greek-speaking Jewish Christians (or Hellenists) are mentioned in Acts 6:1, where we read that they complained of the unequal attention paid to the widows of their group by contrast with those of the Hebrews or Aramaic-speaking Jews. To remedy this situation seven men were appointed to take charge of it, and it is noteworthy that (to judge by their names) all seven were Greek-speaking" (p.49).
  

 

[dcontroversal]

Its sad that some are so willing to believe whatever new lie the devil tells to cast doubt upon the truth of Gods Word...It seems there is a growing deception that the New Testament was really written in Hebrew...on this thread I hope to have a honest discussion and show clear evidence that the New Testament was clearly written and passed down in the Greek ...

I will use the most well educated and trusted scholars to make my points....I invite all to really look at any source used in this discussion, because a lot of these folks teaching this stuff are not folks who have seen their work stand the test of time and truth.

The distinguished scholar F. F. Bruce, in The Books and the Parchments, tells us that Greek was undoubtedly the language of the New Testament. He asserts, "Although Aramaci appears to have been the common language of our Lord and of the earliest Christians, it is not the language of the New Testament. . . .

• "The language most appropriate for the propagation of this message would naturally be one that was most widely known throughout all the nations, and this language lay ready to hand. It was the Greek language, which, at the time when the gospel began to be proclaimed among all the nations, was a THOROUGHLY INTERNATIONAL LANGUAGE, spoken not only around the Aegean shores but all over the Eastern Mediterranean and in other areas too. Greek was no strange tongue to the apostolic church even in the days when it was confined to Jerusalem, for the membership of the primitive Jerusalem church included Greek-speaking Jews as well as Aramaic-speaking Jews. These Greek-speaking Jewish Christians (or Hellenists) are mentioned in Acts 6:1, where we read that they complained of the unequal attention paid to the widows of their group by contrast with those of the Hebrews or Aramaic-speaking Jews. To remedy this situation seven men were appointed to take charge of it, and it is noteworthy that (to judge by their names) all seven were Greek-speaking" (p.49).

Amen...KOINE GREEK.....people will go to seed on many things if it supports their heretical views.....not to mention that the majority of the N.T. was written to GENTILE churches that contained some JEWS.......!

 

[4enlightment]

Its sad that some are so willing to believe whatever new lie the devil tells to cast doubt upon the truth of Gods Word...It seems there is a growing deception that the New Testament was really written in Hebrew...on this thread I hope to have a honest discussion and show clear evidence that the New Testament was clearly written and passed down in the Greek ...

I will use the most well educated and trusted scholars to make my points....I invite all to really look at any source used in this discussion, because a lot of these folks teaching this stuff are not folks who have seen their work stand the test of time and truth.

The distinguished scholar F. F. Bruce, in The Books and the Parchments, tells us that Greek was undoubtedly the language of the New Testament. He asserts, "Although Aramaci appears to have been the common language of our Lord and of the earliest Christians, it is not the language of the New Testament. . . .

• "The language most appropriate for the propagation of this message would naturally be one that was most widely known throughout all the nations, and this language lay ready to hand. It was the Greek language, which, at the time when the gospel began to be proclaimed among all the nations, was a THOROUGHLY INTERNATIONAL LANGUAGE, spoken not only around the Aegean shores but all over the Eastern Mediterranean and in other areas too. Greek was no strange tongue to the apostolic church even in the days when it was confined to Jerusalem, for the membership of the primitive Jerusalem church included Greek-speaking Jews as well as Aramaic-speaking Jews. These Greek-speaking Jewish Christians (or Hellenists) are mentioned in Acts 6:1, where we read that they complained of the unequal attention paid to the widows of their group by contrast with those of the Hebrews or Aramaic-speaking Jews. To remedy this situation seven men were appointed to take charge of it, and it is noteworthy that (to judge by their names) all seven were Greek-speaking" (p.49).

Jesus was the only one that'd knew how to speak the ancient language that Abraham had spoken, that is why Jesus had to interpreted to the disciples what the word Peter had meant in those days. They didn't even know what He was shouting out to; they had thought that Jesus were calling for Elijah, and which Elijah does sounds like Eloihim, but during their time Elijah was pronounced Elias, and so Eloi- sort sound the same as Elias. The king of the Jew must know how to speak the ancient language and the bloodline must stayed pure ( Jewish lineage), and which Jesus bloodline was traced Abraham to David.

 

[Karraster]

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Isn't that marvelous? The Word of Almighty is for all of us. Why would it be a source of contention whether originally Hebrew or Greek? There are cases to be made for either view, but isn't a most important thing to consider the scriptures were written by Hebrews for Hebrews in a Hebrew culture? (Gentiles must be grafted in)

Most importantly, Messiah was born a Jew, lived as a Jew from the Tribe of Judah, and is coming back as a Jew, the Lion of the Tribe of Judah.

But what good is a debate that is one sided? I offer a short list of book burnings, and remind you that Antisemitism is nothing new. The world has always wanted to eradicate their race, history, and writings.
List of book-burning incidents - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[crossnote]

I'm still waiting for some early mss finds showing that at least some copies were in Hebrew. If the originals manuscripts (autographs) were written in Hebrew you would expect at least some early copies (before 4th century) found to date would be also in Hebrew...instead...only Greek. Everything else is speculation and surmising.

 

[Mitspa]

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Isn't that marvelous? The Word of Almighty is for all of us. Why would it be a source of contention whether originally Hebrew or Greek? There are cases to be made for either view, but isn't a most important thing to consider the scriptures were written by Hebrews for Hebrews in a Hebrew culture? (Gentiles must be grafted in)

Most importantly, Messiah was born a Jew, lived as a Jew from the Tribe of Judah, and is coming back as a Jew, the Lion of the Tribe of Judah.

But what good is a debate that is one sided? I offer a short list of book burnings, and remind you that Antisemitism is nothing new. The world has always wanted to eradicate their race, history, and writings.
List of book-burning incidents - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is a attack by satan at the heart of our faith...the Word of God...and what many diligent men of God have studied for years and given them self completely to preserve the true words of God. This attempt by some to bring question upon the truth of scripture is no small matter and it is very shameful that folks who claim to love Gods word would be so careless and disrespectful as to believe such evident lies!

 

[Ukorin]

Be careful with "anti-semitism" accusers.
Zionism is antisemitic by nature, as a racist push for Jews to be ghettoed to one place.
Those who push Zionism don't often know what side they are on.

Let Christ gather the elect, and let Christians spread the good news.
Let the two join on the Last Day.

 

[JesusistheChrist]

Be careful with "anti-semitism" accusers.
Zionism is antisemitic by nature, as a racist push for Jews to be ghettoed to one place.
Those who push Zionism don't often know what side they are on.

Let Christ gather the elect, and let Christians spread the good news.
Let the two join on the Last Day.

I'd venture to say that most people who so easily yell "ANTISEMITISM!" have no clue whatsoever as to what they're even saying.

For starters, we derive the word "semite" from "Shem" who was one of Noah's three sons:

Online Etymology Dictionary

Semite (n.)

1847, "a Jew, Arab, Assyrian, or Aramaean" (an apparently isolated use from 1797 refers to the Semitic language group), back-formation from Semitic or else from French Sémite (1845), from Modern Latin Semita, from Late Latin Sem "Shem," one of the three sons of Noah (Gen. x:21-30), regarded as the ancestor of the Semites (in old Bible-based anthropology), from Hebrew Shem. In modern sense said to have been first used by German historian August Schlözer in 1781.

"Semites" include A LOT MORE PEOPLE THAN JUST JEWS, folks. How many who are so quick to shout "ANTISEMITISM!" whenever anybody speaks against a Jew would be as quick to shout the same if somebody spoke against an Arab?

Anyhow, here is a list of Shem's descendants:

Genesis chapter 10

[22] The children of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram.
[23] And the children of Aram; Uz, and Hul, and Gether, and Mash.
[24] And Arphaxad begat Salah; and Salah begat Eber.
[25] And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.
[26] And Joktan begat Almodad, and Sheleph, and Hazar-maveth, and Jerah,
[27] And Hadoram, and Uzal, and Diklah,
[28] And Obal, and Abimael, and Sheba,
[29] And Ophir, and Havilah, and Jobab: all these were the sons of Joktan.
[30] And their dwelling was from Mesha, as thou goest unto Sephar a mount of the east.
[31] These are the sons of Shem, after their families, after their tongues, in their lands, after their nations.

Rather than ever even considering the descendants of Elam, Asshur, Lud or Aram, these "ANTISEMITE!" shouters conveniently define a "Semite" as only specific descendants of Arphaxad:

Genesis chapter 11

[10] These are the generations of Shem: Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood:
[11] And Shem lived after he begat Arphaxad five hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.
[12] And Arphaxad lived five and thirty years, and begat Salah:
[13] And Arphaxad lived after he begat Salah four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters.
[14] And Salah lived thirty years, and begat Eber:
[15] And Salah lived after he begat Eber four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters.
[16] And Eber lived four and thirty years, and begat Peleg:
[17] And Eber lived after he begat Peleg four hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters.
[18] And Peleg lived thirty years, and begat Reu:
[19] And Peleg lived after he begat Reu two hundred and nine years, and begat sons and daughters.
[20] And Reu lived two and thirty years, and begat Serug:
[21] And Reu lived after he begat Serug two hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters.
[22] And Serug lived thirty years, and begat Nahor:
[23] And Serug lived after he begat Nahor two hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.
[24] And Nahor lived nine and twenty years, and begat Terah:
[25] And Nahor lived after he begat Terah an hundred and nineteen years, and begat sons and daughters.
[26] And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran.

IOW, they'll conveniently only follow the line of one of Shem's descendants which leads to Abram or Abraham...and then they'll generally be CLUELESS to the fact that "Abraham's seed is CHRIST" (Galatians 3:16) and not just any natural born unbelieving Jew.

Yes, those who regularly shout "ANTISEMITE!" are some of the biggest ANTISEMITES in the world in that they not only hate other Semitic peoples, but in that many of them also HATE JESUS CHRIST, the seed of Abraham.

Somebody will get it...

 

[p_rehbein]

My New Testament is in the King James language............but, as I read some comments on these Forums, it is kinda clear that it is ALL GREEK (or HEBREW) to some!

 

[Joidevivre]

We Christians know that it is the Spirit behind the words who speaks to us. That is why I can't get all hung up about different translations. Somehow I still get the same message, just wrapped up in different packages.

 

[Hizikyah]

We Christians know that it is the Spirit behind the words who speaks to us. That is why I can't get all hung up about different translations. Somehow I still get the same message, just wrapped up in different packages.

I agree with this, and I really enjoy the oldest greek and hebrew manuscripts, I do enjoy the hebrew Matt as it has 3 places that are correct and every other manuscript has errors in those 3 places, however the greek Matt is an amazing blessing, and really accurate to understanding in 2 of those 3 places, just being honest, to me the main importance, over what language it is in, is that the words are properly transmitted through copying, translation, transliteration, ETC.... JMO.

 

[oldhermit]

Its sad that some are so willing to believe whatever new lie the devil tells to cast doubt upon the truth of Gods Word...It seems there is a growing deception that the New Testament was really written in Hebrew...on this thread I hope to have a honest discussion and show clear evidence that the New Testament was clearly written and passed down in the Greek ...

I will use the most well educated and trusted scholars to make my points....I invite all to really look at any source used in this discussion, because a lot of these folks teaching this stuff are not folks who have seen their work stand the test of time and truth.

The distinguished scholar F. F. Bruce, in The Books and the Parchments, tells us that Greek was undoubtedly the language of the New Testament. He asserts, "Although Aramaci appears to have been the common language of our Lord and of the earliest Christians, it is not the language of the New Testament. . . .

• "The language most appropriate for the propagation of this message would naturally be one that was most widely known throughout all the nations, and this language lay ready to hand. It was the Greek language, which, at the time when the gospel began to be proclaimed among all the nations, was a THOROUGHLY INTERNATIONAL LANGUAGE, spoken not only around the Aegean shores but all over the Eastern Mediterranean and in other areas too. Greek was no strange tongue to the apostolic church even in the days when it was confined to Jerusalem, for the membership of the primitive Jerusalem church included Greek-speaking Jews as well as Aramaic-speaking Jews. These Greek-speaking Jewish Christians (or Hellenists) are mentioned in Acts 6:1, where we read that they complained of the unequal attention paid to the widows of their group by contrast with those of the Hebrews or Aramaic-speaking Jews. To remedy this situation seven men were appointed to take charge of it, and it is noteworthy that (to judge by their names) all seven were Greek-speaking" (p.49).

This is not a new lie. This nonsense has been around for many years.

 

[Mitspa]

We Christians know that it is the Spirit behind the words who speaks to us. That is why I can't get all hung up about different translations. Somehow I still get the same message, just wrapped up in different packages.

Really? So you think being a Christian, means you automatically know sound biblical doctrine? Come on...when folks start changing the words in your bible, you better get to trying to figure out what its really supposed to say.

 

[Mitspa]

This is not a new lie. This nonsense has been around for many years.

No whatever is going on with this is growing in a new way, the gospel is becoming more and more clear, the devil cannot defeat the words of the New Testament anymore through religious fear and tradition. So here he goes, just change the words !

 

[Mitspa]

Be careful with "anti-semitism" accusers.
Zionism is antisemitic by nature, as a racist push for Jews to be ghettoed to one place.
Those who push Zionism don't often know what side they are on.

Let Christ gather the elect, and let Christians spread the good news.
Let the two join on the Last Day.

What in the world does anti-Semitism have to do with the New Testament being written in Greek and trying to see the truth of Gods word as revealed through the Greek text?

 

[kennethcadwell]

Yes the original NT scriptures were written in Greek, and I would add this is not the issue.
The real issue is all the translations made from the original Greek to English, and the deceptions of adding, changing words, and even subtracting other words, and using other English words out of place to change the context of the original Greek word used. This is why one must study the original Greek in depth, and take different English versions into consideration during studying to make sure you have the correct understanding. This and plus taking all scriptures on a subject in the bible to get the full meaning, scripture to interpret scripture. Using only one or two sources, or only a handful of scriptures will always lead to wrong context which is what satan wants.

 

[Hizikyah]

No whatever is going on with this is growing in a new way, the gospel is becoming more and more clear, the devil cannot defeat the words of the New Testament anymore through religious fear and tradition. So here he goes, just change the words !

yeah they have gay "bibles" now, the mystery of iniquity is here.

and do you know what happened in the dark ages? owning a manuscript could get you killed.... and then the "latin vulgate" go made ohh and everyone could have tha one all the sudden.... ohh and who authorized the "authorized version" ?

the dead dea scrolls has a full copy of Isayah (Yeshayah) an amazing find attesting to the authenticity and accuracy of what was know and love as Scripture.

 

[Mitspa]

Yes the original NT scriptures were written in Greek, and I would add this is not the issue.
The real issue is all the translations made from the original Greek to English, and the deceptions of adding, changing words, and even subtracting other words, and using other English words out of place to change the context of the original Greek word used. This is why one must study the original Greek in depth, and take different English versions into consideration during studying to make sure you have the correct understanding. This and plus taking all scriptures on a subject in the bible to get the full meaning, scripture to interpret scripture. Using only one or two sources, or only a handful of scriptures will always lead to wrong context which is what satan wants.

Good post Kenneth and this is a real issue that needs to be discussed, as you see many on this forum have already be deceived and its appears more and more false claims are being made in the church itself to folks who don't really understand how these Greek text have come about.

 

[Mitspa]

yeah they have gay "bibles" now, the mystery of iniquity is here.

and do you know what happened in the dark ages? owning a manuscript could get you killed.... and then the "latin vulgate" go made ohh and everyone could have tha one all the sudden.... ohh and who authorized the "authorized version" ?

the dead dea scrolls has a full copy of Isayah (Yeshayah) an amazing find attesting to the authenticity and accuracy of what was know and love as Scripture.

None of that has anything to do with the Greek New Testament Hiz.... what authority do you have to use a bible based upon anything but the Greek, other than the fact you wanted to?

 

[Joidevivre]

Really? So you think being a Christian, means you automatically know sound biblical doctrine? Come on...when folks start changing the words in your bible, you better get to trying to figure out what its really supposed to say.

I probably should not have said "all Christians" if you want to get picky. I really was speaking for myself and that I've been reading the bible(s) for about 60 years non-stop beginning with KJV and skipped around in later years to different translations. I have never had my knowledge of Christ changed, or my knowledge of what God's will for my life is. I have never had the meaning of the cross altered. Especially the life-changing message of grace!

And the Holy Spirit has been speaking with me through them all.

Just sayin.....