New world order Bible Versions (NIV ESV NKJV etc)
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I checked and church fathers do quote the textus receptus reading of the text. Including 1 john 5:7 and acts 8:37.
I wish they would make a readable translation in finnish from the textus receptus. Finland is a spiritual abyss truly, be lucky you americans, you do not know how good you got it in comparison.
I wish they would make a readable translation in finnish from the textus receptus. Finland is a spiritual abyss truly, be lucky you americans, you do not know how good you got it in comparison.
How is this doctrine affected by the newer Bibles?
Please don't respond with any of the following:
- "They cause confusion" because that can be applied equally to the KJV;
- Circular arguments or other logical fallacies;
- Red herrings or changed subjects;
- Questions like, "Which Bible do you trust?"
Rather, please respond with an actual argument from Scripture, which is clearly the gist of Locutus' question.
Please don't respond with any of the following:
- "They cause confusion" because that can be applied equally to the KJV;
- Circular arguments or other logical fallacies;
- Red herrings or changed subjects;
- Questions like, "Which Bible do you trust?"
Rather, please respond with an actual argument from Scripture, which is clearly the gist of Locutus' question.
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Any translation is basically a commantary of the original Greek manuscripts. The KJV was translated in a time before the discovery of common language notes found in dumps in the late 1800's and early 1900's that shade much light on the konié Greek and it's common use. I also like to read them without the itelcized words to see how it reads, like John 12:32 ESV "And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself." NKJV "And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself."
Notice "peoples" is in itelics in the NKJV, the KJV has it as "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me." Greek New Testament
"κἀγὼ ἐὰν ὑψωθῶ ἐκ τῆς γῆς, πάντας ἑλκύσω πρὸς ἐμαυτόν." Notice there is not the word "Ἄνθρωπός" which can be translated man, men, people.
People use this verse to say that Jesus draws all people or men to himself, when it simply says He will draw all to himself, all who? All who will believe.
Point being if you really want the original New Testamant you need to read the Greek New Testament. For those that say you can make the Greek say anything, that can only happen if you allow people to go outside the rules of language, lexicons and dictionaries give us the meanings of the words. You can not make go mean stop, when you follow the rules of translation and the use of a reliable lexicon and/or dictionary.
Notice "peoples" is in itelics in the NKJV, the KJV has it as "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me." Greek New Testament
"κἀγὼ ἐὰν ὑψωθῶ ἐκ τῆς γῆς, πάντας ἑλκύσω πρὸς ἐμαυτόν." Notice there is not the word "Ἄνθρωπός" which can be translated man, men, people.
People use this verse to say that Jesus draws all people or men to himself, when it simply says He will draw all to himself, all who? All who will believe.
Point being if you really want the original New Testamant you need to read the Greek New Testament. For those that say you can make the Greek say anything, that can only happen if you allow people to go outside the rules of language, lexicons and dictionaries give us the meanings of the words. You can not make go mean stop, when you follow the rules of translation and the use of a reliable lexicon and/or dictionary.
There is truth to be understood in the following passage:
Luke 10:1 After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.
ESV Now after this the Lord appointed seventy others, and sent them in pairs ahead of Him to every city and place where He Himself was going to come.
The majority of new versions including the ESV has the Lord appointing 72. Which is truth? Which can be trusted?or who killed Goliath? Which can be trusted?
KJV 2 Samuel 21:19 And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.
ESV And there was again war with the Philistines at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim, the Bethlehemite, struck down Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.
NASB There was war with the Philistines again at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam.
Luke 10:1 After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.
ESV Now after this the Lord appointed seventy others, and sent them in pairs ahead of Him to every city and place where He Himself was going to come.
The majority of new versions including the ESV has the Lord appointing 72. Which is truth? Which can be trusted?or who killed Goliath? Which can be trusted?
KJV 2 Samuel 21:19 And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.
ESV And there was again war with the Philistines at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim, the Bethlehemite, struck down Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.
NASB There was war with the Philistines again at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam.
What?? You mean, one version is translated as 70 people appointed (2000 years ago, right?) and another one translates it as 72????
That's it.... I give up on this whole "religion" thing. My faith is gone. I'm done with it.. finished.
I think I'll try Scientology next. Maybe Buddhism.... I just can't live with any typo's in MY scripture.
That's it.... I give up on this whole "religion" thing. My faith is gone. I'm done with it.. finished.
I think I'll try Scientology next. Maybe Buddhism.... I just can't live with any typo's in MY scripture.
If God's word can't be completely trusted, then how does man trust the truth about Jesus? Who is man to say which part to trust and which part not to trust? That's the world's argument. What I posted was just a sample of the many differences concerning truth between the KJV and the new versions.
The biggest change of them all, in my opinion, is the doctrine of faith and justification.
Galatians 2:16
KJV Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
ESV yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
The KJV states the truth that the believer is justified by the faith OF Jesus Christ, not faith in Jesus Christ. All the new versions state that it's man's faith in Christ that justifies. HUGE DIFFERENCE! Whose faith justifies? Christ's or man's? Man's pathetic faith waivers day by day, moment by moment. Christ's faith never waivers. Amen for that.
The biggest change of them all, in my opinion, is the doctrine of faith and justification.
Galatians 2:16
KJV Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
ESV yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
The KJV states the truth that the believer is justified by the faith OF Jesus Christ, not faith in Jesus Christ. All the new versions state that it's man's faith in Christ that justifies. HUGE DIFFERENCE! Whose faith justifies? Christ's or man's? Man's pathetic faith waivers day by day, moment by moment. Christ's faith never waivers. Amen for that.