Nicolaitanes philosophy of “systematic distortion” and negation of scripture.

[just-me]

What does Jesus hate?

And I hatedEsau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness. (Malichi 1:3)
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. (Romans 9:13)

The fact is, we do wait for a spiritual inheritance. And many think about it at about the same level as Esau thought about his. The lesson could not be more applicable if it came up and bit us on the nose. If we treat God's provisions, His commandments, His will, His purpose and His promises with less than the fervor and appreciation for them that we ought to have, He will hold us accountable for having profaned them.
Have we sold out our birthright?

So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate. (Revelation 2:15)

 

[posthuman]

So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate. (Revelation 2:15)

The Lord tests the righteous,
but his soul hates the wicked and the one who loves violence.
(Psalm 11:5)

There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him:
haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil,
a false witness who breathes out lies,
and one who sows discord among brothers.
(Proverbs 6:16-19)

The boastful shall not stand before your eyes;
you hate all evildoers.
(Psalm 5:5)

I will not set before my eyes anything that is worthless.
I hate the work of those who fall away; it shall not cling to me.
(Psalm 101:3)



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some lessons here too

 

[posthuman]

Without the instructions of how to love God's way, we are forced to invent love according to our perspective which is absent from God's.

without that God loved us, we could not love.
as the apostle who He loved says: "we love because He first loved us"

and He demonstrated this love for us when while we were sinners, reprobate enemies of God, He died for us and declared us justified who believe on His name.
even more, He clothed us in His own righteousness who have no righteousness of our own!

how can we do that for each other? by law? through grace?
then they will know.

 

[posthuman]

From Your precepts I get understanding;
Therefore I hate every false way.
(Psalm 119:104)

Therefore I consider all your precepts to be right;
I hate every false way.
(Psalm 119:128)
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should i therefore call every false way "doctrine of Nicolaitans" ?
no! that would be a false way.
that would be bearing false witness against the Nicolaitans.
then my tongue would be lying.
then i would not be obeying His precepts.
then i would be sowing discord among brothers.
this would be a false way.
why should i let my feet make hast to run to do this evil?

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

oy vey this is just getting worse and worse...

now since revelation says God hates the deeds of the nicolaitans we can take anything God hates and connect it with the nicolaitans?

this is sloppy exegesis to the extreme...

 

[just-me]

From Your precepts I get understanding;
Therefore I hate every false way.
(Psalm 119:104)

Therefore I consider all your precepts to be right;
I hate every false way.
(Psalm 119:128)
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should i therefore call every false way "doctrine of Nicolaitans" ?
no! that would be a false way.
that would be bearing false witness against the Nicolaitans.
then my tongue would be lying.
then i would not be obeying His precepts.
then i would be sowing discord among brothers.
this would be a false way.
why should i let my feet make hast to run to do this evil?

All things that are not God's way, through Christ, are false, despite our best efforts.
The "doctrine of Nicolaitans" obviously represent the false principles you presented. As Antipas fought against those things in the church of Pergamus, and was murdered for it, so should we esteem him as a good example, and be like minded.

I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth. Revelation 2:13

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. Romans 12:1

Thank you for your input.

 

[just-us-2]

The Balaam/Nicolaitan doctrine most likely urged believers to make a practical compromise with the society within which they found themselves. “They taught that Christians ought to remain members of the pagan clubs, and that they might do so without disloyalty to their faith.” (Henry Barclay Swete, The Apocalypse of St. John (Eugene, OR: Wipf and Stock Publishers, 1998, 1906), lxxi.)

The doctrine of the Nicolaitans can be classified as antinomianism. The Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines antinomian thus:
Antinomian - ˌan(t)ēˈnōmēən/
Definition of ANTINOMIAN
1: one who holds that under the gospel dispensation of grace the moral law is of no use or obligation because faith alone is necessary to salvation
2: one who rejects a socially established morality
This philosophy makes the fatal mistake that man can freely enjoy any sin because the Law of God is no longer binding.

Historically speaking, Nicolaitans of the 2nd century not only continued but extended the views of the 1st century devotees, holding to the freedom of the flesh and sin, and teaching that the deeds of the flesh had no effect upon the health of the soul and consequently no relation to salvation. There is no question that this very doctrine is taught in all but a very few so-called Christian churches now in the 21[SUP]st[/SUP] century. They actively promote the false teaching that by "believing" we are released from the necessity of being doers of the Word and that a mere intellectual "belief" in this truth has saving power. This is obviously the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which Christ so unsparingly condemned in the book of Revelation. (Nicolaitans | Theopedia)

 

[just-me]

What does Jesus hate?

And let none of you imagine evil in your hearts against his neighbour; and love no false oath: for all these are things that I hate, saith the Lord. (Zechariah 8:17)

Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; (1 Corinthians 13:4-6)

Ye that love the Lord, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked.(Psalm 97:10)

He hates the hypocrisy of doctrines that teach that the law of love is fulfilled, while at the same time, and in the same breath, rejecting loves instructions written in Torah.

So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate. (Revelation 2:15)

 

[BarlyGurl]

The Balaam/Nicolaitan doctrine most likely urged believers to make a practical compromise with the society within which they found themselves. “They taught that Christians ought to remain members of the pagan clubs, and that they might do so without disloyalty to their faith.” (Henry Barclay Swete, The Apocalypse of St. John (Eugene, OR: Wipf and Stock Publishers, 1998, 1906), lxxi.)

The doctrine of the Nicolaitans can be classified as antinomianism. The Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines antinomian thus:
Antinomian - ˌan(t)ēˈnōmēən/
Definition of ANTINOMIAN
1: one who holds that under the gospel dispensation of grace the moral law is of no use or obligation because faith alone is necessary to salvation
2: one who rejects a socially established morality
This philosophy makes the fatal mistake that man can freely enjoy any sin because the Law of God is no longer binding.

Historically speaking, Nicolaitans of the 2nd century not only continued but extended the views of the 1st century devotees, holding to the freedom of the flesh and sin, and teaching that the deeds of the flesh had no effect upon the health of the soul and consequently no relation to salvation. There is no question that this very doctrine is taught in all but a very few so-called Christian churches now in the 21[SUP]st[/SUP] century. They actively promote the false teaching that by "believing" we are released from the necessity of being doers of the Word and that a mere intellectual "belief" in this truth has saving power. This is obviously the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which Christ so unsparingly condemned in the book of Revelation. (Nicolaitans | Theopedia)

that is a pretty good post...

 

[BarlyGurl]

oy vey this is just getting worse and worse...

now since revelation says God hates the deeds of the nicolaitans we can take anything God hates and connect it with the nicolaitans?

this is sloppy exegesis to the extreme...

...hmmm... contemplating what is a bigger priority to God....
sloppy exegesis -or- sloppy agape?

 

[just-me]

Pergamos
There were some within their ranks who were consciously working for the adversary, even though the church as a whole held to the true doctrine of salvation, and didn't deny the true real faith in Christ. There were some in the church who wanted to compromise with pagan doctrines that propagate debauchery, and call them Christian celebrations by falsifying their nomenclature. They are instructed by God to fight this stuff, and let it be revealed to them by God's holy word. They held to the false doctrines instead.

 

[Shoshanah]

I came in here a couple days ago and found a very bad atmosphere so I left. I thought I would come back and see if it was any better and I see that it isn't as nasty so thought I would contribute some information I have about how Constantine is somewhat misrepresented as a wonderful hero of Christianity.


The Catholic Church and Constantine I, also known as Constantine the Great are responsible for “Christianity’s” acceptance of Christmas, Easter, Halloween, and a host of other unbiblical practices borrowed from pagans. Even worse, the Nicolaitan philosophy is responsible for the “systematic removal of God’s laws as a central pillar of the Christian way of life. Replaced by a “law of grace” which teaches to not bother following or even learning God’s laws as they no longer apply.” It is a rather involved story not often seen in history books.


The Roman Empire had become too large for one person to govern adequately so Diocletian split the empire into the Eastern section and the Western section. In time the east was governed by Licinius and the west by Constantine. There was constant unrest and conflict between the two until September of 324 CE when Licinius was finally defeated at Chrysopolis and surrendered. Licinius hoped to return to life as a private citizen which Constantine initially granted, but he went back on his word, and Licinius was hanged in 325 CE - even his nine-year-old son was killed. In spite of this, Constantine’s victory reunited the empire.

There is a nice warm-fuzzy story about Constantine establishing Christianity in the Roman Empire but like most history, if one wants to know the truth one must dig past the first sources that pop up. Most of us know the basic story of how Constantine became a Christian. Briefly, it goes something like this: “In the year 312 there ruled a Roman Emperor named Maxentius who had taken power illegally. He hated Christians and persecuted them. The proper heir to the throne, Constantine, marched on Rome to save the Empire. Before the two forces met in battle, Constantine saw a vision of a cross in the sky and the words “Conquer under this”. Constantine and his army converted to Christianity and painted the cross on their shields. The next day they defeated the pagans and brought Christianity to Rome.” That is the way we are supposed to believe it happened. But it is not the way it really happened. In actuality, it was much more complicated.

More in my next post.

 

[royalscot]

Baloney. . .[/SIZE]

no offence, but was wondering have they put there hands up , yet to being jw, and if they are, then how is christ going to save them. love your post by the way.

 

[just-me]

Originally Posted by Elin

Baloney. .
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no offence, but was wondering have they put there hands up , yet to being jw, and if they are, then how is christ going to save them. love your post by the way.

She's not with us anymore.

 

[just-me]

No Gentile Christian can be anti-Semitic toward the Jews. Christ was a Jew, and that by divine intent. In a conversation with a Samaritan woman, Jesus declared: “Salvation is from the Jews” (John 4:22). The focus, of course, was upon his personal identity as the Messiah. All people are indebted to the Hebrew nation for the Savior.

Christians are to love all people, but that does not mean that Gentiles are permitted to ignore Jewish history. The Jews have both a positive and negative history concerning Christ. What did Jesus mean by his statement: “Salvation is from the Jews”?

There are two important preliminary points.
1. Jesus acknowledged his Jewish heritage, and Christians should rejoice in this fact as well.

2.The term “salvation” is preceded by the article in the Greek Testament, “the salvation,” signifying that his salvation is the only plan of deliverance made available to humanity. None who rejects it will be saved. Christ’s is the exclusive way (cf. John 14:6; Acts 4:11-12); men do not have the option of designing their own plan!

This is an uncompromising truth in a day when many contend that no religious system can claim to be the only way. Religious pluralism (one standard for the Jews and another standard for the Gentiles) is heresy.

 

[BarlyGurl]

Originally Posted by Elin

Baloney. .
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She's not with us anymore.

<winches jaw shut>.... after discovering Elin was banned... <hmmm>

 

[Gozinia]

*Loans Barleygurl some cable cutters

 

[posthuman]

<winches jaw shut>.... after discovering Elin was banned... <hmmm>

i'm sad. i really like Elin

 

[Magenta]

I came in here a couple days ago and found a very bad atmosphere so I left. I thought I would come back and see if it was any better and I see that it isn't as nasty...

Welcome to CC!

 

[BarlyGurl]

There are two important preliminary points.
1. Jesus acknowledged his Jewish heritage, and Christians should rejoice in this fact as well.

2.The term “salvation” is preceded by the article in the Greek Testament, “the salvation,” signifying that his salvation is the only plan of deliverance made available to humanity. None who rejects it will be saved. Christ’s is the exclusive way (cf. John 14:6; Acts 4:11-12); men do not have the option of designing their own plan!

This is an uncompromising truth in a day when many contend that no religious system can claim to be the only way. Religious pluralism (one standard for the Jews and another standard for the Gentiles) is heresy.

Ya know... I have often wondered... COUNTLESS TIMES... how it is people love to say how they are the adopted sons of God... but REFUSE to acknowledge the Jewish "Culture" which GOD says honors HIM.

TO me it seems the same as if you were to become a guest at my house and I said "we greet with a handshake", and you say "we greet with a slap across the face" and I say, "well in my house slapping across the face is considered an a deep insult, not a greeting" but then you persist in slapping my face every time you see me... IN MY OWN HOUSE!