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Seems to me to still make sense as it is. The opening part of Chapter 10 is describing the first few generations of Japheth and Ham, the principal Gentile races, then a small portion about the basic formation of the first cities and nations, and then resumes with a general overview of Gentile-Shem's offspring which flows into the next chapter very well. Makes me think perhaps to Tintin's point of perhaps Tower of Babel occurring around time of Peleg, note that the chapter 10 end with the races spawning from Joktan. Thus ending the Table of Gentile nations at its last racial divergence with Peleg as the last forerunner to Abraham, Isaac, and Israel. Then in Genesis 11 resumes the racial focuses more on Peleg's progeny as they lead up to Abraham which then flows seamlessly into Chapter 12 about Abraham. Guess it's that Continuity point.

A good example I think be comparing Genesis 10's written structure within the Genesis narrative to Genesis 5 and how it flows with Genesis 4 & 6. Events in those chapters running somewhat concurrently with Chapter 5 merely being the pre-Flood Table of nations specifically on Seth's male line up to Noah, with a few events that are in truth only a few short lines that have mystified thinkers for centuries such as Enoch's taking, Noah's unnamed wife, when the fallen angel and nephilim stuff occurred, even whether or not Noah's carnal dad Lamech of House Seth was a somewhat good guy as indicated by his blessing of Noah or a bad guy that perished in the Flood by his comparatively shorter age than his predecessors. For that matter even how old were Shem, Ham, and Japheth when the Flood happened and who was the oldest brother lol.
Seems to me to still make sense as it is.
I think it's an odd place after two grandsons of Cush that came through Ramaah. If the phrase "Cush begat [yalad] Nimrod" (v.8) means that Nimrod was Cush's immediate son, then he should have been listed in (v.7) along with Cush's five other sons.


The Hebrew word "yalad" is controversial, but most Bible scholars agree it doesn't necessarily mean "fathered" in the sense of an immediate descendent. In other words, Nimrod carried the blood of Cush, and continued his royal line, but he was not Cush's genetic "son." One possibility, among many is that Nimrod was Cush's grandson through one of Cush's daughters.


The Genesis 3 prophecy of the "seed of the woman" that one day a human being would be born, descended from Eve would bruise the head of satan the serepent. But God also predicted the serpent would produce "a seed" who would be an enemy of the seed of the woman.

Of course Jesus fulfilled "the seed of the woman"; whereas the "seed" of the serpent" was to be fulfilled by the Antichrist, the literal son of satan. This means the Antichrist has to be a Nephilim, just like the Nephilim described in Genesis 6 who were the offspring of fallen angels who had mated with human women. When we look Gen.6:4 it says that the Nephilim were the "mighty men" which were of old, men of renown.

The Hebrew word for "mighty man" is "gibbor". This is the same word used to describe Nimrod in Gen.10:8-9:

"And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one [gibbor] in the earth. He was a mighty hunter [gibbor tsayid] before the Lord: therefore it is said, Even Nimrod the mighty hunter [gibbor tsayid] before the Lord."

Nimrod was raised as the son and heir of Cush, but there was something very special about him that it became a popular even down to the time of Moses for him to be called a [gibbor]. I believe his father was in fact satan, the chief of the fallen angels, and Nimrod himself was a Nephilim, a throwback to the days before the flood.

(The Second Coming of the Antichrist, Peter D. Goodgame)
 

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The worship of Nimrod instituted by his wife. Baal, another name among countless names of Nimrod, worshipped by Israel and the pagans.
God on earth, the pope, worshipped by millions of heathen. All false gods....all springing from Nimrod. So far i hear amen from you.
Elevated men today, taking the place of Christ....antichrists. Who in your church is above all the rest? Can i get a witness anybody? Can you say amen?
 
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Explain if you can why Nimrod would have been known as Ninus by the by the Sumerians.
he wasn't...

see the sumerian king list...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_King_List

nobody had ever heard of 'ninus' until he was mentioned by the greek historian ctesias in the fifth century BC...who probably invented him either as an eponym for 'nineveh' or as a euhemeristic story for the deity ninurta or as a corruption of the history of a real historical king such as tukulti-ninurta...


i should also highlight the fact that one king who -is- mentioned in the sumerian king list is enmerkar of uruk...the most likely candidate for the historical nimrod...
 
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Asshur is the passive participle of a verb, which in its Chaldee sense, signifies "to make strong" and consequently, signifies "being strengthened," or "made strong." The passage should be read:

"And the beginning of his (Nimrod's) kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh." (v.10)

A beginninig naturally implies something to succeed, and here we find it (v.11):

"Out of that land he went forth, being made strong, or when he had been made strong (Ashur), and builded Nineveh,"

(Hyslop's Two Babylon's pg.24)

You're trying to make a proper name out of Asshur and the Chaldee signifies it means "to make strong."
this attempt at wiping asshur from history is pretty much absurd to any historian or bible scholar...

in addition to being the name of a biblical character...asshur was also the name for the assyrian nation itself...in addition asshur as a person was recognized by the assyrians as the deified founder of their nation...
 
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this attempt at wiping asshur from history is pretty much absurd to any historian or bible scholar...

in addition to being the name of a biblical character...asshur was also the name for the assyrian nation itself...in addition asshur as a person was recognized by the assyrians as the deified founder of their nation...
Look at the source she keeps using, Rachel! Of course she's going to believe all kinds of weird stuff when she holds to He's Sloppy's book like it's a holy text.
 

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Look at the source she keeps using, Rachel! Of course she's going to believe all kinds of weird stuff when she holds to He's Sloppy's book like it's a holy text.
Just FYI, the books of Enoch, also known as Ethiopic Enoch, was quoted from by both Jesus and Jude. Also, the book of Enoch was apart of the scriptures for five centuries. The following is an excerpt from prologue of the books of Enoch:

The citations of Enoch by the Testaments of the twelve Patriarchs and by the Book of Jubilees show that at the close of the second century B.C., and during the first century B.C., this book was regarded as inspired. When we come down to the first century A.D., we find that it is recognized as Scripture by Jude. In the next century this recognition is given amply in the Epistle of Barnabas and in the third century by Clement and Irenaeus. After the third century the Book of Enoch fell into discredit and gradually passed out of circulation.

"Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him." (Jude 14)
 
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Just FYI, the books of Enoch, also known as Ethiopic Enoch, was quoted from by both Jesus and Jude. Also, the book of Enoch was apart of the scriptures for five centuries. The following is an excerpt from prologue of the books of Enoch:

The citations of Enoch by the Testaments of the twelve Patriarchs and by the Book of Jubilees show that at the close of the second century B.C., and during the first century B.C., this book was regarded as inspired. When we come down to the first century A.D., we find that it is recognized as Scripture by Jude. In the next century this recognition is given amply in the Epistle of Barnabas and in the third century by Clement and Irenaeus. After the third century the Book of Enoch fell into discredit and gradually passed out of circulation.

"Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him." (Jude 14)
The problem people are having is I don't believe the Bible depends on the Book of Enoch, I believe the Book of Enoch depends on the Bible. ;)
 
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he wasn't...

see the sumerian king list...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_King_List

nobody had ever heard of 'ninus' until he was mentioned by the greek historian ctesias in the fifth century BC...who probably invented him either as an eponym for 'nineveh' or as a euhemeristic story for the deity ninurta or as a corruption of the history of a real historical king such as tukulti-ninurta...


i should also highlight the fact that one king who -is- mentioned in the sumerian king list is enmerkar of uruk...the most likely candidate for the historical nimrod...
i should also highlight the fact that one king who -is- mentioned in the sumerian king list is enmerkar of uruk...the most likely candidate for the historical nimrod...
Well, gee DUH, I've only pointed this out twice and now you are saying it:confused:. To use GIS's favorite thing to say "lol" ;)



The Mighty One

Nimrod the insignificant?

Regarding the Sumerian name Enmer-kar, the suffix "kar" means "hunter," and so "Enmer-kar" is in fact "Enmer the Hunter," just as Nimrod is referred to as the "Mighty Hunter" in Genesis 10. Furthermore, Enmerkar is named on the Sumerian King List as "the one who built Uruk," just as Nimrod is described in Genesis 10:10 as having a kingdom that began in "Babel (Eridu) and Erech (Uruk)... in the land of Shinar." After Enmerkar's death he became honored in Sumerian myth as the semi-divine hero Ninurta, and eventually this cult evolved into the great cult of Marduk, which became the state religion of Babylon after the conquests and religious innovations of Hammurabi. At first glance Nimrod may appear to be an insignificant figure from a Biblical perspective, but if our analysis of Nimrod's legacy is correct then it is clear that he was a very important figure from a pagan perspective, both during his life and after his death."

http://www.redmoonrising.com/Giza/Asshur9.htm
Since the Bible isn't a history book I don't see anything arong with using other sources such a archeaology.

David Rohl has claimed parallels between Enmerkar, builder of Uruk, and Nimrod, ruler of biblical Erech (Uruk) and architect of the Tower of Babel in extra-biblical legends. One parallel Rohl noted is the description "Nimrod the Hunter", and the -kar in Enmerkar also meaning "hunter". Rohl has also suggested that Eridu near Ur is the original site of Babel, and that the incomplete ziggurat found there - by far the oldest and largest of its kind - is none other than the remnants of the Biblical tower.[1]
In a legend related by Aelian [2] (ca. AD 200), the king of Babylon, Euechoros or Seuechoros (also appearing in many variants as Sevekhoros, earlier Sacchoras, etc.), is said to be the grandfather of Gilgamos, who later becomes king of Babylon (i.e., Gilgamesh of Uruk). Several recent scholars have suggested that this "Seuechoros" or "Euechoros" is moreover to be identified with Enmerkar of Uruk, as well as the Euechous named by Berossus as being the first king of Chaldea and Assyria. This last name Euechous (also appearing as Evechius, and in many other variants) has long been identified with Nimrod.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enmerkar
 
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Explain if you can why Nimrod would have been known as Ninus by the by the Sumerians.


he wasn't...

see the sumerian king list...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_King_List

nobody had ever heard of 'ninus' until he was mentioned by the greek historian ctesias in the fifth century BC...who probably invented him either as an eponym for 'nineveh' or as a euhemeristic story for the deity ninurta or as a corruption of the history of a real historical king such as tukulti-ninurta...


i should also highlight the fact that one king who -is- mentioned in the sumerian king list is enmerkar of uruk...the most likely candidate for the historical nimrod...
"Ninus strengthened the greatness of his acquired dominion by continued possession. Having subdued, therefore, his neighbors, when by an accession of forces, being still further strengthened, he went forth against orther tribes, and every new victory paved the way for another, he subdued all the people of the East." (Justin, Hist. Rom. Script., vol. ii. p. 615. The words of the original ase the following:- "Ninus magnitudinem quaesitae dominationis continua possessione firmavit. Cum accessione virum fortior, ad alios transiret, et proxima quaeque victoria instrumentum sequedntis esset totius Orientis populos subegit.")

Thus, then, Nimrod, or Ninus, was the builder of Nineveh; and the origin of the nature of that city, as "the habitation of Ninus," is accounted for and light thereby, at the same time, cast on the fact, that the name of the chief part of the ruins is Nimroud at this day.

Alexander Hyslop, The Two Babylons, pgs. 24&25
The words of the original ase the following:- "Ninus magnitudinem quaesitae dominationis continua possessione firmavit. Cum accessione virum fortior, ad alios transiret, et proxima quaeque victoria instrumentum sequedntis esset totius Orientis populos subegit.")
Your never did answer my question:

Explain to me then, why do they call someone named John "Jack or Jackie"?
 
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Goodgame says the reason that Sumerian and Hebrew accounts that are descrbing the same events but offer conflicting perspectives that are theologically one hundred and eighty degrees apart is because the Genesis account comes from God and the other comes from satan.
 

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Nimrod the first cleric. Exalted himself. Conquered men. Built a dynasty after himself. Aspired toward heaven. Played God.

Demanded obedience. Controled the folks. Demanded worship. Behold, Reverend Nimrod and his devoted subjects. And the rest of the story we know.
 
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Just FYI, the books of Enoch, also known as Ethiopic Enoch, was quoted from by both Jesus and Jude. Also, the book of Enoch was apart of the scriptures for five centuries. The following is an excerpt from prologue of the books of Enoch:

The citations of Enoch by the Testaments of the twelve Patriarchs and by the Book of Jubilees show that at the close of the second century B.C., and during the first century B.C., this book was regarded as inspired. When we come down to the first century A.D., we find that it is recognized as Scripture by Jude. In the next century this recognition is given amply in the Epistle of Barnabas and in the third century by Clement and Irenaeus. After the third century the Book of Enoch fell into discredit and gradually passed out of circulation.

"Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him." (Jude 14)
I'm fully aware about this, but the Book of Enoch we have today wasn't written by Enoch.
 
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Nimrod the first cleric. Exalted himself. Conquered men. Built a dynasty after himself. Aspired toward heaven. Played God.

Demanded obedience. Controled the folks. Demanded worship. Behold, Reverend Nimrod and his devoted subjects. And the rest of the story we know.
i bolded the only part of your statement that is actually indicated by scripture...