No Errors In Bible

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NO ERRORS IN BIBLE


Faith is in the heart, NOT in the details. Faith does not need proof. The proof is in an inner feeling that the bible calls the Holy Spirit of truth. The heart of faith settles the matter and the mind says "OK, then I don't really need the details either." These details, however, in collaboration with the written material of the early Christian leaders, tell a story of the four gospel writers, in complete collaboration with each other, composing a history (His story) of their hero, Jesus. Taken as a whole, the four gospels reveal a unique 'history' wherein Peter and Paul along with Mark and Luke were all brought together and residing in Rome at the same time that Matthew, now hiding out in Egypt, began writing his gospel to all Jews also living in Diaspora like himself, while John, disposed from Jerusalem as were his brethren, began having revelations, but unlike his brethren, John's Diaspora was on an isolated island prison.


Peter's disciple John Mark (Barnabas' nephew and Paul's earlier adversary) came to Rome at the bequest of Paul (2 Timothy 4:11) and while in Rome wrote his gospel about the factual journey of his mentor (Peter) who related to Mark 'to the best of his recollection' about his chronological walk with Jesus. The bible canon purports that it was Paul himself who wrote fourteen letters (including the disputed Hebrews), seven before he went to Rome and the last seven from Rome where he and his physician Luke wrote their gospel of Luke. While these four were collaborating in Rome Matthew was living in 'Diaspora' within a large Jewish settlement in Alexandria, Egypt. The Roman mail route between Rome and Egypt stopped at Patmos, the island prison holding John. Later when John was released he returned to Asia Minor to again shepherd his seven churches where his own personal copies of the three synoptic gospels, along with his personal copies of the letters of Paul, as well as his own book of Revelation, and his own newly written gospel were now also being copied and distributed amongst themselves. Notice that Jesus singled out John's Philadelphia Church for a special purpose.


Revelation 3:8
I know thy works: behold , I have set before thee an open door (COPY CENTER to the world), and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.


These ancient copies, originating from John's seven Asia Minor churches, were first collected by Erasmus in 1500AD and later identified as the 'Textus Receptus' manuscripts, becoming the English version of the King James Bible. The King James Bible tells its own unique historical stories (apart from all other bibles) within the SPECIFIC details of its ENGLISH WORDING. Mark's gospel is presented as the foundational rock with the actual facts laid down by Peter as he remembered them. Matthew and Luke, knowing these facts, had no reason to repeat them but instead often expanded upon them, building their own spiritual stories upon Mark's factual foundation. Numbers and details are changed on purpose to reveal deeper insight and spiritual depth to Mark's (Peter's) basic teachings. A wonderful example is Mark's worldly spiritual blind man (Mark 10:46+) who suddenly becomes in Matthew's story (Matthew 20:29+) two symbolic blind men representing both the 'worldly-pagans' ''blatantly shouting'' as well as His 'religious-disciples' ''furtively whispering''. Whereupon Luke (Luke 18:35+) and John (John 9:1+) then add their own unique, and blatantly contradictory, spiritual insights; Luke revealing that the healing of Jesus is 'timeless' and therefore, in his gospel, took place 'before' entering the city, while John insisted in his gospel that the miracle of spiritual insight is not only performed on the highways and byways leading to or coming from pagan cities like Jericho but must also be found in the very heart of the Jerusalem temple whenever and wherever Jesus ''passed by''.


Understood this way, there is never any error or controversy within or among the four gospels, each apparent deviation is neither a blatant contradiction nor a subtle inconsistency but rather a signal sign post to look deeper into an expanding story as each gospel writer adds their own spiritual insights onto Mark's original biography of Peter's walk with Jesus.


1Peter 2:2...2Peter 3:15
As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:... even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;


1Colossians 3:2...Hebrews 5:12
I (Paul) have fed you with (Peter's) milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able...For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of (Peter's) milk, and not of strong meat.

Whenever I parallel gospel stories I always begin with Mark's gospel, Peter's milk. Mark wrote only what Peter told him to write. Mark's Gospel was the first one written and holds the historical data as remembered by Peter. Luke came to Rome at Paul's request to help Peter pen his gospel to the Roman world and Paul assisted his doctor Luke in his writing of Luke's Gospel to the Greek world. They of course knew each others work. During this same time Matthew was living in Diaspora in a large Jewish settlement in Alexandria Egypt while John was exiled in the Isle of Patmos. ''All roads lead to Rome'' says the ancient slogan and all mail between Rome and Egypt sailed through Patmos where John both read and mailed back his own revelations to their common synoptic gospels. After being released from his exile in Patmos John returned to his seven churches is Asia Minor and wrote his own gospel. John's seven churches made copies of all gospels and letters of the early church. These copies later became known as the Textus Receptus, the underlying text of the King James New Testament.


Matthew living in Egypt, and Luke living in Rome were fully aware that Mark/Peter's Gospel clearly stated that only one blind man was healed AFTER Jesus had passed Jericho, Did Matthew and Luke purposefully alter the foundational historical details of Mark's Gospel in order to reveal deeper spiritual truths? Were they in fact following Old Testament tradition? Is there perhaps another reason Matthew 'apparently' disagrees with Mark and records two blind men while Luke 'apparently' disagrees with both Mark and Matthew saying the healing happened BEFORE they passed Jericho. I believe these discrepancies follow an Old Testament technique and are not errors by scribes nor inconsistencies by the gospel authors but are rather layers of spiritual truth added upon Mark's original gospel. Following an Old Testament tradition Matthew's Gospel spiritually builds upon the foundational chronological story that is told in Mark. Luke the Greek doctor and writer of Acts builds his gospel from a common mix of Mark and Matthew. And John also wrote his own gospel in complete harmony (although at times anti-tonal) and with full knowledge of the synoptic events. Notice in the example below how John builds upon Luke's literal story, which now also invites a deeper spiritual under-standing growing from Luke's literal story.


Luke 5:6 (recording an event before the resurrection)
And when they had this done, they inclosed a great multitude of fishes: and their net brake.


John 21:11 (recording an event after the resurrection)
Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so many, yet was not the net broken.


Peter would not allow Mark's gospel to boast about the time Peter walked on water or about the time Jesus called Peter the rock. But Matthew was free to boast about his hero, the rock that walked on water. And therefore Matthew wrote in his gospel that Peter's faith was the very foundation of the church. Peter's faith was the rock upon which the church was to be built. Matthew's Gospel is not merely endorsing Peter but is also implying/insisting that we begin with Peter's foundational teachings given in Mark's Gospel. As babes in Christ we first read the broad strokes of Matthew and then we read the shorter gospel of Mark, which hammers home the basic basics of our faith. Once we babies finish Revelation we are ready for first grade. A little meat with our milk and we now start comparing gospels rather than just the verses within a gospel. When paralleling gospel stories I ALWAYS begin with Mark. Once Peter's basic foundational teaching is understood then the fun is allowing the Holy Spirit to reveal WHY Matthew, Luke, and John purposefully change certain specific/definite numbers and facts of which they were totally aware.

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There are a number of parallel stories found in all four gospels and many more just in the three synoptics. One of the most well known syn-optic (synchronicityof vision) parallel stories is the healing of the blind man/men at Jericho (Moon; dark light -blind sight). Peter, as always, first establishes the basic spiritual teaching wherein Mark's blind man symbolically represents the pagan world blindly shouting out for help. Matthew's account now adds a second blind man that symbolically represents the 12 conniving disciples whispering among themselves in blind jealousy as they too struggle with their own limited power and prestige. Luke's gospel (called the gospel of action) brings these eternal truths into our own age. His blind man was specifically healed BEFORE passing Jericho; whereby Luke's literary technique spiritually propels the 2000 year old story about pagans and religious hypocrisy (repeated over and over) into our own present lives and times.



Mark 10:35~52
And James and John, the sons of Zebedee, come unto him, saying Grant unto us that we may sit, one on thy right hand, and the other on thy left hand, in thy glory. And when the ten heard it, they began to be much displeased with James and John. And they came to Jericho: and as he went out of Jericho with his disciples, blind Bartimaeus, the son of Timaeus, sat by the highway side begging. And Jesus said unto him (the symbolic pagan world), Go thy way; thy faith hath made thee whole. And immediately he received his sight, and followed Jesus in the way.


Matthew 20:20~34
Then came to him the mother of Zebedee's children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him. She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom. And when the ten heard it, they were moved with indignation against the two brethren. And as they departed from Jericho, two blind men sitting by the way side, when they heard that Jesus passed by, cried out, saying, Have mercy on us, O Lord, thou Son of David. So Jesus had compassion on (both the symbolic blind world shouting and the blind disciples whispering), and touched their eyes: and immediately their eyes received sight, and they followed him.


Luke 18:35~42
And it came to pass, that as he was come nigh unto Jericho, a certain blind man (us) sat by the way side begging: And they told him, that Jesus of Nazareth passeth by . 38 And he (we) cried , saying, Jesus, thou Son of David, have mercy on me. And Jesus said unto him (us), Receive thy sight: thy (personal present) faith hath saved THEE (me).


John 9:1~32
And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. And it was the sabbath day when Jesus made the clay, and opened his eyes.Therefore said some of the Pharisees, This man is not of God, because he keepeth not the sabbath day. What did he to thee? how opened he thine eyes? He answered them, I have told you already, and ye did not hear: wherefore would ye hear it again? will ye also be his disciples? Then they reviled him,


Notice that Luke's account combined facts from both Mark and Matthew: one blind man from Mark's gospel and the phrase of ''Jesus passing by'' from Matthew's gospel. John's Gospel also adds his own special insight to the parallel Jericho stories related by the synoptic trio. John's blind man, however, is not healed at Jericho but at Jerusalem. John ignores the synoptic link word 'Jericho' and instead links his Jerusalem blind man with the common synoptic event of 'Jesus passing by'. John's blind man at Jerusalem is now paralleled with the synoptic blind man/men at Jericho and his gospel completes a story that sees not only the blind pagan world passing by the roadsides of life but also the blind religious world sitting in their Temples of religious darkness; pagans and religious leaders both equally without sight.
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When paralleling the gospel stories it is always imperative to begin with Peter's foundational teachings that are found in Mark's Gospel, which tells the basic historical journey of Jesus. Matthew, Luke, and John often agree with Mark but unless a second witness is significant they rather add new information and deeper spiritual insight to Peter's foundational stories that are established in Mark's Gospel. As previously noted, Mark and Luke agrees that only one blind man called out to Jesus while Matthew insists that there were in fact two blind men. Their common story spiritually identifies the blind man as the blind world boldly shouting out for help in its universal pagan blindness. Matthew, however, adds a second blind man that speaks of a second simultaneous spiritual story; the twelve disciples (representing the religious world) that were, in direct contrast, secretly whispering among themselves in their own unique pious blindness. Matthew did not add a second blind man because his gospel is almost twice as long as Mark's. And Matthew did not add this second blind man to correct Mark/Peter's historical account. Matthew was one of the twelve disciples as was Peter who himself intimately edited Mark's original gospel. And this difference in Mark/Matthew's gospels certainly was not due to scribal error or from some unintentional mistake; this blatant deviation between them is in fact an explicit Old Testament biblical ''jot and tittle'' literary devise calling the reader to look deeper into their mutual story. The gospel writers well understood this Hebrew tradition of expressly changing known numbers and details in order to symbolically reveal deeper spiritual insights within the original well-known historical record.


Achilles, in Homer's Iliad, withdrew from battle. Day after day, year after year, blood upon blood, Achilles had had enough. His best friend Patroclus (Peter) implored Achilles to allow him to don Achilles' armor, which had been passed on to Achilles from his own father, and enter battle. Achilles agrees but on the condition that Patroclus only fight long enough to cause the Trojans to flee from the Achaean ships they were trying to set on fire. Patroclus disobeys Achilles and pursues the Trojans back to Troy where Hector kills Patroclus, robs Achilles armor and dons it himself. Achilles cannot continue living until Hector falls by his spear, thereby avenging the death of Patroclus. Achilles kills Hector and is himself also killed by a poisoned arrow striking his unprotected heel. Homer then went on to relate in his following epic, 'Odyssey', that Ulysses now himself fought FOR Achilles' armor. Homer's moral was very clear to the Apostle Paul; men and gods battle, kill, and die but only their armor remains. A new god and a new champion is always ready to don the old steadfast ever-remaining ultimate refuge of war.


The Greek Apostle Paul agreed with the foremost Greek Scholar Homer and spiritually insisted that we put on the real full armor of God, which Paul then described as the symbolic accruements of God's full protection. The Old Testament says exactly the same thing in its own very specific sign language of symbolic numbers whereby the numbers 4 and 7 speak of God's wisdom (4) and protection (7). This fantastic numerical revelation (shown below) is magnificently hidden to those that proudly and blindly proclaim blatant error in the KJAV.


2 Samuel 10:18
And the Syrians fled before Israel; and David slew the men of seven hundred chariots of the Syrians, and forty thousand horsemen, and smote Shobach the captain of their host, who died there.


1Chronicles 19:18
But the Syrians fled before Israel; and David slew of the Syrians seven thousand men which fought in chariots, and forty thousand footmen , and killed Shophach the captain of the host.


Which is correct, the seven hundred charioteers of Samuel's original account or the seven thousand of the later chronicler's accounting? Also, were there forty thousand horsemen or forty thousand footmen? Both numbers and identities are confused. Scribal error is universally affirmed and the matter is settled. But look, Mark insisted on one blind man (representing the pagan world) while Matthew spiritually counterclaimed two blind men. The compiler of Chronicles taught Matthew that he too could also signal a deeper spiritual story by purposely changing known historical facts as the Chronicler so boldly did to Samuel's original historical story. The Chronicles' spiritual (not erroneous) revision reveals the significance of the numbers seven (completion) and four (wisdom), which taken together are representative of perfect wisdom; i.e. God's completed wisdom. This is the original story that Homer also understood; horsemen, footmen, chariots, and the champions of their hosts (be it gods or captains) all come to die and quickly be replaced while the armor remains. Only the numbers seven and four remain constant in the opposing 'historical' histories of 2Samuel and 1Chronicles; for the very forging together of the symbolic numbers seven and four is the true armor of God and mankind's only real refuge. In both the Old and New Testaments the number four symbolically represents wisdom. Likewise in the Old Testament the number seven meant God's perfect rest of completion. In the New Testament this number seven always symbolically identifies the divinity of Jesus as the Son of God.


Without faith you cannot see God, without faith all you have is reason. And reason can never understand faith, it can only fight against faith. Reason can lead you to knowledge but never to wisdom
 

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There are errors in the translated versions of the bible that we have today. We do not have complete original manuscripts nor could we read them even if we did but God has preserved His word so we can rely on the translations with the Holy Spirit and personal study sufficient to compensate.
The main doctrines are sufficiently documented to be reliable. Men do not doubt what they do not know about Gods word they want to find a way to doubt what they know in Gods word to be undeniable truth.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Here? here is a question? when the translators wrote the bible, how did they know what order the books went in? this is not a spanner in the works type question, just thought of it now. They must of known somehow which order they go in, sorry throwing your op of a bit here about errors. lol sorry.
 
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There are errors in the translated versions of the bible that we have today. We do not have complete original manuscripts nor could we read them even if we did but God has preserved His word so we can rely on the translations with the Holy Spirit and personal study sufficient to compensate.
The main doctrines are sufficiently documented to be reliable. Men do not doubt what they do not know about Gods word they want to find a way to doubt what they know in Gods word to be undeniable truth.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Psa 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Who is the Holy One in Psa 16:11? The Word.
 

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Here? here is a question? when the translators wrote the bible, how did they know what order the books went in? this is not a spanner in the works type question, just thought of it now. They must of known somehow which order they go in, sorry throwing your op of a bit here about errors. lol sorry.
Actually, many of the books of the Bible are not in chronological order. You can however get a Chronological Bible that restructures the books and sometimes even portions of a book in a more precise chronology.
 

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Here? here is a question? when the translators wrote the bible, how did they know what order the books went in? this is not a spanner in the works type question, just thought of it now. They must of known somehow which order they go in, sorry throwing your op of a bit here about errors. lol sorry.
The translators did not write the bible they translated it from the original Hebrew and Greek into modern languages. Men arranged the books in historical and or chronological order.

For the cause of Christ
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Psa 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Who is the Holy One in Psa 16:11? The Word.
The Word Who became flesh and dwelt among us.

The scriptures came not by the will of men but by the will of God as holy men were moved by the Holy Spirit.

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Faith has nothing to do with a feeling or a hunch. Faith is in the heart and head because of the details. Faith is an intellectual certainty of knowing based upon evidence of what cannot be viewed by eyesight.

Ἔστιν δὲ πίστις ἐλπιζομένων ὑπόστασις πραγμάτων ἔλεγχος οὐ βλεπομένων

Yet Faith is the substantialization of hopes, the evidentialization of matters not visible. -- Heb. 11:1
 
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There are no errors in the bible, but it is scary, the errors in translation. Just read posts of the differences that people say the bible says, and often opposing views will copy verses to back up their side. Usually, both sides are true, but they have to fit together. Like verses about obedience and that we aren't under law. Both are true, but rather than learning how that can be they would rather fight.

I have often thought of the thousands of years that blood representing Christ was used for sacrifice. God just said to do it, but I haven't found the scripture where they were explained to about what Christ did for them in eternal time and they couldn't know until Christ lived the crucifixion in our time. They must have wondered about why blood was required. No wonder Cain had trouble understanding that.

It makes me wonder at people who say they can't honor their parents because of a parents actions, or they can't honor a Sabbath because every day we are to honor Christ, etc. People are constantly saying that how they have reasoned things out is much better than the orders God gives. Instead of saying God knows, I will obey, people are constantly having to reason it all out in their own human minds, never accepting the divine mind as without error.
 
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There are errors in the translated versions of the bible that we have today. We do not have complete original manuscripts nor could we read them even if we did but God has preserved His word so we can rely on the translations with the Holy Spirit and personal study sufficient to compensate.
The main doctrines are sufficiently documented to be reliable. Men do not doubt what they do not know about Gods word they want to find a way to doubt what they know in Gods word to be undeniable truth.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
thanks for responding,can you show a specific verse that shows bible is in error?
 

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thanks for responding,can you show a specific verse that shows bible is in error?
The long ending of Mark 16 is disputed and has parts that are inconsistent with the whole of scripture. It is a translational error as the original texts are missing from the earliest manuscripts appearing only in later copies.

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Eternal life is promised to us believers and we can close the bible after our first read with confidence that Jesus is Lord. After our first reading we begin to compare each gospel against each other to gain deeper under standing;and that is reading(eating) the meat. Marks gospel(Peter) lays down the factual historical account and the other 3 gospels change details and(symbolic)numbers on purpose to reveal deeper insight to Marks basic story as related to him by Peter. Once we under stand that Matthew, luke, and John were not bound to Marks gospel, we see the deeper stories hidden with in their so called "discrepiensies". The blind say"aha, look another error". While the Holy Spirit speaks to those that can hear reason once in apparent discord.
 
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thanks for responding,can you show a specific verse that shows bible is in error?
It's quite easy, as there are literally hundreds of them. Page through any few chapters of the Skeptic's Annotated Bible and you'll see what I mean. Here are a few examples which are probably not the "errors in translation" that RedTent suggests they are.

Judas hanged himself in Matthew, but in Acts he died by running headlong in a field while his intestines poured out.

The bible can't decide whether Abraham had only one son or several.

The bible can't decide how King Saul killed himself.

And the resurrection accounts (possibly the most important stories in the bible) are different in pretty much every detail, from how many women were at the tomb to time of arrival to how many angels greeted them to location of the greeting angel(s) to whom they told afterward. It's almost laughable that anyone could read any two of these accounts and think that they're the same story or that they don't contain errors. But the average Christian doesn't notice these errors because bible study doesn't include going back and forth between books to get a whole account, but rather through reading one book at a time.
 
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The question is-who will you believe? the truths of God- or the errors of man? May the Lord be your guide.
 
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The blind say"aha, look another error". While the Holy Spirit speaks to those that can hear reason once in apparent discord.
Because of this need to make every differing account make sense, it becomes impossible to recognize error. To remove personal bias, let's discuss the Qur'an. There are a couple of verses in the Qur'an known as the "Satanic Verses". These verses tell Muslims that they can speak to any one of three demigods when praying, and were originally included in the Qur'an to appeal to Meccan pagans who worshipped several gods. But these verses clearly went against all of the others that painted Islam as a monotheism (single god religion), and so they were removed. How did the Muslims justify editing their holy text? They suggested that these verses had been dictated to Muhammad (the alleged author of the Qur'an) by Satan. Seriously.

Using this example, one can see the stretches of imagination that can be applied when one feels that one's holy text cannot be wrong. While you may laugh at the Muslims for actually reaching this far into absurdity to continue claiming that the Qur'an is perfect, don't you see the same absurd apologetics that Christians apply when faced with obvious contradictions? It's so easy to see this from the outside, but bias can blind from the inside.
 
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The question is-who will you believe? the truths of God- or the errors of man? May the Lord be your guide.
Me? I'll believe the evidence. God's truth isn't apparent in His word, as the evidence demonstrates. One may like to attribute these errors to man, but what could "God-inspired" possibly mean if God doesn't care enough about the bible to make sure that it is delivered in a manner that reflects his alleged perfection?
 
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It's quite easy, as there are literally hundreds of them. Page through any few chapters of the Skeptic's Annotated Bible and you'll see what I mean. Here are a few examples which are probably not the "errors in translation" that RedTent suggests they are.

Judas hanged himself in Matthew, but in Acts he died by running headlong in a field while his intestines poured out.

The bible can't decide whether Abraham had only one son or several.

The bible can't decide how King Saul killed himself.

And the resurrection accounts (possibly the most important stories in the bible) are different in pretty much every detail, from how many women were at the tomb to time of arrival to how many angels greeted them to location of the greeting angel(s) to whom they told afterward. It's almost laughable that anyone could read any two of these accounts and think that they're the same story or that they don't contain errors. But the average Christian doesn't notice these errors because bible study doesn't include going back and forth between books to get a whole account, but rather through reading one book at a time.
Are there errors in the book of life?
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

If there are errors in God's books, some people are going to get very dissappointed one day.
 
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Are there errors in the book of life?
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

If there are errors in God's books, some people are going to get very dissappointed one day.
If there's an error with Revelation 20:15 (and wouldn't you know, there quite possibly is), then we wouldn't have to worry about that, would we?