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and he said this is a better state than laughter ((Ecclesiastes 7:1-6)), though he also advises that we not be 'over-wise' because it destroys us ((7:16)), and even this man, wiser than any other mere human who lived, said he found that wisdom is far from himself ((7:23)).
what basis do i have to dispute him?
M
I think this answers your question.
2 Corinthians 5:21 NKJV
[21] For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might
become the righteousness of God in Him.
2 Corinthians 5:21 NLT
[21] For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our
sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ.
Hopefully so does the first few verses of this old song
by Charles Wesley, it explains it better than I could.
Let earth and heaven combine,
Angels and men agree,
To praise in songs divine
The incarnate Deity,
Our God contracted to a span,
Incomprehensibly made Man.
He laid His glory by,
He wrapped Him in our clay;
Unmarked by human eye,
The latent Godhead lay;
Infant of days He here became,
And bore the mild Immanuel's Name.
Christ is God, and therefore He is in Ecclesiastes to present the end of the matter.
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
How will God bring every work into judgment? Through Christ the righteous Judge (Acts 17:31).
Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained [Christ]; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
M
He is there in the book.
Ecclesiastes 12:1-7 NLT
[1] Don't let the excitement of youth cause you to forget your Creator.
Honor him in your youth before you grow old and say, "Life is not pleasant
anymore." [2] Remember him before the light of the sun, moon, and stars
is dim to your old eyes, and rain clouds continually darken your sky.
[3] Remember him before your legs-the guards of your house-start to tremble;
and before your shoulders-the strong men-stoop. Remember him before your
teeth-your few remaining servants-stop grinding; and before your eyes-the women
looking through the windows-see dimly.
[4] Remember him before the door to life's opportunities is closed and the sound
of work fades. Now you rise at the first chirping of the birds, but then all their
sounds will grow faint. [5] Remember him before you become fearful of falling
and worry about danger in the streets; before your hair turns white like an
almond tree in bloom, and you drag along without energy like a dying
grasshopper, and the caperberry no longer inspires sexual desire.
Remember him before you near the grave, your everlasting home, when
the mourners will weep at your funeral. [6] Yes, remember your Creator
now while you are young, before the silver cord of life snaps and the golden
bowl is broken. Don't wait until the water jar is smashed at the spring
and the pulley is broken at the well. [7] For then the dust will return
to the earth, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.
Ecclesiastes 12:1-7 NLT
[1] Don't let the excitement of youth cause you to forget your Creator.
Honor him in your youth before you grow old and say, "Life is not pleasant
anymore." [2] Remember him before the light of the sun, moon, and stars
is dim to your old eyes, and rain clouds continually darken your sky.
[3] Remember him before your legs-the guards of your house-start to tremble;
and before your shoulders-the strong men-stoop. Remember him before your
teeth-your few remaining servants-stop grinding; and before your eyes-the women
looking through the windows-see dimly.
[4] Remember him before the door to life's opportunities is closed and the sound
of work fades. Now you rise at the first chirping of the birds, but then all their
sounds will grow faint. [5] Remember him before you become fearful of falling
and worry about danger in the streets; before your hair turns white like an
almond tree in bloom, and you drag along without energy like a dying
grasshopper, and the caperberry no longer inspires sexual desire.
Remember him before you near the grave, your everlasting home, when
the mourners will weep at your funeral. [6] Yes, remember your Creator
now while you are young, before the silver cord of life snaps and the golden
bowl is broken. Don't wait until the water jar is smashed at the spring
and the pulley is broken at the well. [7] For then the dust will return
to the earth, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.
Let this not be an excuse to play in darkness or make light of it. As scripture says, the righteous commit righteousness and to not be deceived. We are new creations and have died and resurrected with Jesus Christ (symbolized in baptism). We are to reckon ourselves dead to sin and alive unto God (serving in righteousness). Lean upon His grace for where we are weak, He is is strong. Victory is not found in self, but in Him. Continue to search His word and find the remedy that you need in your current circumstances. May the Lord highlight the words He wishes to comfort you with.
J
I think this answers your question.
2 Corinthians 5:21 NKJV
[21] For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might
become the righteousness of God in Him.
2 Corinthians 5:21 NLT
[21] For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our
sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ.
Hopefully so does the first few verses of this old song
by Charles Wesley, it explains it better than I could.
Let earth and heaven combine,
Angels and men agree,
To praise in songs divine
The incarnate Deity,
Our God contracted to a span,
Incomprehensibly made Man.
He laid His glory by,
He wrapped Him in our clay;
Unmarked by human eye,
The latent Godhead lay;
Infant of days He here became,
And bore the mild Immanuel's Name.
2 Corinthians 5:21 NKJV
[21] For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might
become the righteousness of God in Him.
2 Corinthians 5:21 NLT
[21] For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our
sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ.
Hopefully so does the first few verses of this old song
by Charles Wesley, it explains it better than I could.
Let earth and heaven combine,
Angels and men agree,
To praise in songs divine
The incarnate Deity,
Our God contracted to a span,
Incomprehensibly made Man.
He laid His glory by,
He wrapped Him in our clay;
Unmarked by human eye,
The latent Godhead lay;
Infant of days He here became,
And bore the mild Immanuel's Name.
It's all in how we look at that word "everyone" and who it refers to.
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and fallen short of the glory of God. Yet Scripture tells us Christ was sinless. To say "everyone on earth is a sinner" does not necessarily include Christ, who is sitting on the right side of The father in heaven as of now anyways.
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and fallen short of the glory of God. Yet Scripture tells us Christ was sinless. To say "everyone on earth is a sinner" does not necessarily include Christ, who is sitting on the right side of The father in heaven as of now anyways.
I want to point out a few facts for all to ponder....Obviously JESUS was sinless in his life but.....
a. He who knew no sin BECAME SIN FOR US
b. He that hangs on a tree is CURSED
c. The Heavenly Father turned his back on JESUS and forsook him because of OUR SIN
Most miss this one.....
When the disciples prepared for the "last supper" the word for unleavened bread is used when they are told to prepare....but when JESUS breaks bread the word for leavened bread is used.....
My view
OT-->looks forward to sinless sacrifice-->CROSS<----N.T. LOOKS back to his offering for SIN--HE became sin for us
Unleavened------------------------------>cross<------------------------------Leavened For US
Not 100% on this...just noticed the difference in the Greek words used and have been studying it.
a. He who knew no sin BECAME SIN FOR US
b. He that hangs on a tree is CURSED
c. The Heavenly Father turned his back on JESUS and forsook him because of OUR SIN
Most miss this one.....
When the disciples prepared for the "last supper" the word for unleavened bread is used when they are told to prepare....but when JESUS breaks bread the word for leavened bread is used.....
My view
OT-->looks forward to sinless sacrifice-->CROSS<----N.T. LOOKS back to his offering for SIN--HE became sin for us
Unleavened------------------------------>cross<------------------------------Leavened For US
Not 100% on this...just noticed the difference in the Greek words used and have been studying it.
M
He took the sin of the world, the weight, vileness of it upon himself
that we can be set freedom from the law of sin and death.
The penalty for sin is death, Jesus paid that penalty for us. But because He was
innocent, sinless and spotless, the grave could not hold Him.
He bore our sin, not His own sin.
that we can be set freedom from the law of sin and death.
The penalty for sin is death, Jesus paid that penalty for us. But because He was
innocent, sinless and spotless, the grave could not hold Him.
He bore our sin, not His own sin.
J
where i come from everyone means everyone, not everyone but one as that would not be everyone.
so either Jesus was a sinner
was not a sinner yet nothing like us (everyone)
or the passage means something other than everyone.
i believe it means something other than everyone. i dont think it means everyone but Jesus. the bible teaches Jesus was one of us. if He wasnt one of us then He was never tempted like we are tempted everyday.
this is also a passage used to push the original sin doctrine, a doctrine that didnt exist until 400 years after Jesus ascended. you also have scriptures stating the Father does not punish us for other peoples sins.
so either Jesus was a sinner
was not a sinner yet nothing like us (everyone)
or the passage means something other than everyone.
i believe it means something other than everyone. i dont think it means everyone but Jesus. the bible teaches Jesus was one of us. if He wasnt one of us then He was never tempted like we are tempted everyday.
this is also a passage used to push the original sin doctrine, a doctrine that didnt exist until 400 years after Jesus ascended. you also have scriptures stating the Father does not punish us for other peoples sins.
In context, "everyone" means all humans that are not the God/man Jesus. That is how "everyone" is being used. If I walk into a private meeting and hey everyone it doesn't mean I'm talking to everyone, everywhere, nearly the same principle.
Original sin is supported by Scripture, it may have came into debate or prominence 400 hundred years after Christ, but that's not the doctrines beginning point.
Original sin is supported by Scripture, it may have came into debate or prominence 400 hundred years after Christ, but that's not the doctrines beginning point.
Another way to look at Solomon's writings is as a teaching tool. There is, in fact, something known as the Solomon syndrome where we chase false goals and when we reach them and we are still unfulfilled we chase other false goals with the same result. This is repeated until we either die unhappy or we break free from the cycle and realize both our true identity and God's plan for us. There are those who might even say that the Solomon syndrome is the reason we seek God in the first place, though I am of the opinion that we are called by God.
I also believe since God is everywhere, all the time He has a singular plan for each of us and when we start to live our lives by allowing Him to use us to further His plans then we can know the joy that comes by serving Him.
I also believe since God is everywhere, all the time He has a singular plan for each of us and when we start to live our lives by allowing Him to use us to further His plans then we can know the joy that comes by serving Him.
J
but according to your interpretation there is no "God/man Jesus", there can be no "man" element anywhere in Jesus if all men have sinned. are you seeing the problems you get into with this line of thought?
not sure i agree on that, according to Ez we are responsible for our own sins and not the sins of others.
Ezekiel 19-20
[SUP]19 [/SUP]“Yet you say, ‘Why should not the son suffer for the iniquity of the father?’ When the son has done what is just and right, and has been careful to observe all my statutes, he shall surely live. [SUP]20 [/SUP]The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
i agree with scripture before doctrines of man. if the doctrine is earlier please provide some evidence. i have read a great deal of the DSS, and have no original sin theology their either.
not sure i agree on that, according to Ez we are responsible for our own sins and not the sins of others.
Ezekiel 19-20
[SUP]19 [/SUP]“Yet you say, ‘Why should not the son suffer for the iniquity of the father?’ When the son has done what is just and right, and has been careful to observe all my statutes, he shall surely live. [SUP]20 [/SUP]The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
i agree with scripture before doctrines of man. if the doctrine is earlier please provide some evidence. i have read a great deal of the DSS, and have no original sin theology their either.