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dcontroversal said:
Your working for, law keeping psuedo gospel will not save you nor anyone you know.....sorry....will not work
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I don't believe you.. you are mistaking the verses teaching the New Testament in place of the OLD.... for the works you pertain to is in regard to the OLD Testament... to which if you had made your house on the Messiah's word you would of received the Truth and would not go around accusing such things.. for if you knew Heavenly Father and The Messiah you would not speak against Keeping the Commandments of GOD for Christ Himself teaches us through His Testimony... so yes you and those who run with you can keep going in unbelief but it is your hardened heart that denies the power of GOD...

The Everlasting Gospel will see a person through Faith in Jesus Keep the Commandments of GOD out of Love and Gratitude... first Repent and Believe and see the power of GOD work through you by Faith in Christ His Beloved Son.
 
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I don't believe you.. you are mistaking the verses teaching the New Testament in place of the OLD.... for the works you pertain to is in regard to the OLD Testament... to which if you had made your house on the Messiah's word you would of received the Truth and would not go around accusing such things.. for if you knew Heavenly Father and The Messiah you would not speak against Keeping the Commandments of GOD for Christ Himself teaches us through His Testimony... so yes you and those who run with you can keep going in unbelief but it is your hardened heart that denies the power of GOD...

The Everlasting Gospel will see a person through Faith in Jesus Keep the Commandments of GOD out of Love and Gratitude... first Repent and Believe and see the power of GOD work through you by Faith in Christ His Beloved Son.
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Keep missing the mark...works do not save, keep saved, facillitate salvation....end of story..does not matter O.T. or N.T. neither were or are saved by any work....BELIEF IS WHAT SAVES....end of story....

Works for salvation = lost

P.S. could care less what you believe or do not believe.....if you embellish faith with works for salvation = false gospel no power and double cursed
 
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Revelation 14

And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
13And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.


Now if what I share is false why is it written above? How are the 2 connected?

The answer is in His Testimony.. read and believe.


So GOD telling us that He will write His law on hearts and in our mind ....we become a living witness through Faith by His Grace and love toward us... for it is the Holy Spirit Baptism guiding and comforting those that Repent and Believe..

Do not place anything between you and the Truth.. with a willing heart go seek and may you be set free too.

For GOD loved us and gave His Perfect Son for a sacrifice to save us.. and if this does not pierce your heart to believe and serve the Living GOD with love and gratitude then what else will...

Faith alone is dead according to James.. Faith that moves a person from within is alive through Christ within.










 
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Keep missing the mark...works do not save, keep saved, facillitate salvation....end of story..does not matter O.T. or N.T. neither were or are saved by any work....BELIEF IS WHAT SAVES....end of story....

Works for salvation = lost

P.S. could care less what you believe or do not believe.....if you embellish faith with works for salvation = false gospel no power and double cursed
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And that is how I know the Love of GOD is not within you.. for you can heap rudeness on and I will care for you all.. the end of story according to dc is his heart hardening.. Belief is the start and end of salvation.... believing unto the saving of our souls.. that belief will keep us growing in Grace and knowledge of Christ.. walking as He walked.. it is walking behind the Good Shepherd on the path of Righteousness... He leads us to the gate.. Bishop of our Souls.. the sheep that he rescused and put in His herd called He came and they continue to Hear His voice within all the days of their life... for they Love their Good Shepherd...
 
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loveme1 said:
Revelation 14

And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
13And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.


Now if what I share is false why is it written above? How are the 2 connected?

The answer is in His Testimony.. read and believe.


So GOD telling us that He will write His law on hearts and in our mind ....we become a living witness through Faith by His Grace and love toward us... for it is the Holy Spirit Baptism guiding and comforting those that Repent and Believe..

Do not place anything between you and the Truth.. with a willing heart go seek and may you be set free too.

For GOD loved us and gave His Perfect Son for a sacrifice to save us.. and if this does not pierce your heart to believe and serve the Living GOD with love and gratitude then what else will...

Faith alone is dead according to James.. Faith that moves a person from within is alive through Christ within.










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Does not equal salvation....the verses you posted say NOTHING OF BEING SAVED BY WORKS...and Paul who wrote 11 or so MORE BOOKS THAN JAMES states a man IS justified by FAITH WITHOUT WORKS...you better wise up and open your eyes before your false gospel takes you some place you do not wish to go.....!
 
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loveme1 said:
And that is how I know the Love of GOD is not within you.. for you can heap rudeness on and I will care for you all.. the end of story according to dc is his heart hardening.. Belief is the start and end of salvation.... believing unto the saving of our souls.. that belief will keep us growing in Grace and knowledge of Christ.. walking as He walked.. it is walking behind the Good Shepherd on the path of Righteousness... He leads us to the gate.. Bishop of our Souls.. the sheep that he rescused and put in His herd called He came and they continue to Hear His voice within all the days of their life... for they Love their Good Shepherd...
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Rudeness.....do not confuse my hatred for false gospels that lead to hell with rudeness!
 
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loveme1 said:

Faith alone is dead according to James.. Faith that moves a person from within is alive through Christ within.
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Don't try and pull that nonsense about James supporting salvation by works.
What he is saying is far, far, far, from that.

What he is saying is that if one is already saved (has faith) then there should be works that will evidence it.
Nowhere does James ever, ever try to suggest that works is an instrument of salvation.

In addition the works that we should evidence have nothing to do whatever with the law of the Sinaitic covenant...
 
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Rudeness.....do not confuse my hatred for false gospels that lead to hell with rudeness!
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Your hatred is toward anything or anyone who does not agree with you.. You will make little names up for people that oppose you.. like a good ole boys club of uniting in rude jibes.. The Everlasting Gospel stands and the saints Keep the Commandments of GOD and Have the Faith of Jesus.
 
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Don't try and pull that nonsense about James supporting salvation by works.
What he is saying is far, far, far, from that.

What he is saying is that if one is already saved (has faith) then there should be works that will evidence it.
Nowhere does James ever, ever try to suggest that works is an instrument of salvation.

In addition the works that we should evidence have nothing to do whatever with the law of the Sinaitic covenant...
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James understood the Truth as Did Paul whom you also misunderstand.

We are saved unto Good works. BY Grace through Faith.. we are not yet in the Immortal but have the seal of the Holy Spirit through believing in Him.. that belief is evident by our doing.. so James is correct.. We are to be doers of the Royal Law.. for that is what we are set at Liberty by Faith for...

And Paul teaches the New Testament and that is Keeping the Commandments and having the Faith of Jesus.. they go together for that is what the King taught.. the Royal law.. Now we Labour in love.
 
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loveme1 said:
James understood the Truth as Did Paul whom you also misunderstand.

We are saved unto Good works. BY Grace through Faith.. we are not yet in the Immortal but have the seal of the Holy Spirit through believing in Him.. that belief is evident by our doing.. so James is correct.. We are to be doers of the Royal Law.. for that is what we are set at Liberty by Faith for...

And Paul teaches the New Testament and that is Keeping the Commandments and having the Faith of Jesus.. they go together for that is what the King taught.. the Royal law.. Now we Labour in love.
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Oh, I think I understand Paul's writings better than any other in the New Testament -and he certainly doesn't does not teach your works-orientated mess of a mis-gospel...
 
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Friends you are to believe and obey the Gospel of Christ that is Faith that worketh by love.. forgiven and loved to forgive and love each other as our Father forgives us..

Love GOD with all your being and this starts with believing in Christ and finishes with believing in Christ for it is our Faith that GOD saves us through.. so that we can be Children of GOD and they Love their Father and do His will through the Messiah's Testimony.

be not afraid.. for this is the will of Heavenly Father to lead you Home through His Son.

let them accuse you falsely for the Holy Spirit will guide and comfort you leading you in to all Truth... but you are to believe.. and the unseen power will work through you...
 
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Oh, I think I understand Paul's writings better than any other in the New Testament -and he certainly doesn't does not teach your works-orientated mess of a mis-gospel...
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Paul taught the Gospel of Christ... now read Christ's Testament and tell me there is no good works given?

Now if you can not then you would do well to hear and do.. if not we are not to call Him Lord.
 
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loveme1 said:
Paul taught the Gospel of Christ... now read Christ's Testament and tell me there is no good works given?

Now if you can not then you would do well to hear and do.. if not we are not to call Him Lord.
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Paul's entire message is justification by faith - and he very explicitly contrasts that with the fact that there is NO justification by works.
And he does this over and over and over, Epistle after Epistle!
 
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Paul taught the Gospel of Christ... now read Christ's Testament and tell me there is no good works given?

Now if you can not then you would do well to hear and do.. if not we are not to call Him Lord.
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Jesus never said works save you, keep you saved, prevent you from losing salvation.

jesus always maintained, those who love him (remember he loved us first and saved us) do his will.

The saved DO HIS WILL.

The UNSAVED DO NOT.

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Galatians 3

1O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it beyet in vain. 5He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
6Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.


The above is warning people not to be fooled by those who were married to the dead husband which is the Old Covenant.. for Christ is the New Husband and the New Covenant.

if you take this as anything else you are in error.. it does not teach we are not to be doers of the Royal law.. certainly not it means we continue to live by Faith in Christ and not let them try to enslave us to the dead Husband.. by circumcision and the deeds of the law of Moses.

in no Way does it teach against GOD's Law.. for Christ gave us the New Testament that we are to Keep in Faith.






 
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loveme1 said:
Your hatred is toward anything or anyone who does not agree with you.. You will make little names up for people that oppose you.. like a good ole boys club of uniting in rude jibes.. The Everlasting Gospel stands and the saints Keep the Commandments of GOD and Have the Faith of Jesus.
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You obviously do not read anything your buddies post. If your going to judge Dcon, you better start judging them, or you are seen as a hypocrite.
 
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loveme1 said:
Galatians 3

1O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it beyet in vain. 5He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
6Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.


The above is warning people not to be fooled by those who were married to the dead husband which is the Old Covenant.. for Christ is the New Husband and the New Covenant.

if you take this as anything else you are in error.. it does not teach we are not to be doers of the Royal law.. certainly not it means we continue to live by Faith in Christ and not let them try to enslave us to the dead Husband.. by circumcision and the deeds of the law of Moses.

in no Way does it teach against GOD's Law.. for Christ gave us the New Testament that we are to Keep in Faith.
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We do not ke4ep it to be saved, Keep saved, or to not lose salvation

We keep it because WE ARE SAVED, we learn God is faithful in all he says.


No one here is preaching we do not have to learn to become Christlike in all we do. Your slander is getting old!!
 
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graceNpeace said:
Paul's entire message is justification by faith - and he very explicitly contrasts that with the fact that there is NO justification by works.
And he does this over and over and over, Epistle after Epistle!
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If that is your belief after reading Paul.. try Reading Christ's Testament and believe first... build your house their. Paul is teaching the Just Shall live by Faith in Christ and not the works of the law.. the New wine over the Old....
 
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loveme1 said:
If that is your belief after reading Paul.. try Reading Christ's Testament and believe first... build your house their. Paul is teaching the Just Shall live by Faith in Christ and not the works of the law.. the New wine over the Old....
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It is obvious you do not understand much of what anyone says.. You might want to learn how to read people. WHat you just said makes no sense, according to what Grace has been saying since I have known him. .
 
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