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Nice verse....and the context of that verse is?????????
Another reason the Pharisees missed the mark.....they regularly chunked context in favor of a self applied, appointed application........
Like....
Who is this...is this not the son of Joseph the carpenter...........
the trees man....the trees.......
By the way...for the record....I have nothing against you personally and sometimes like what you say......but I will vehemently stand against any and all who push a law abiding dogma because the LAW will justify NO ONE...it proves guilt!
Which one is biblical....?
The JUST shall live by FAITH
The JUST shall live by law abiding
The bolded will never = being just before GOD....because MEN cannot keep it and it proves GUILT
Another reason the Pharisees missed the mark.....they regularly chunked context in favor of a self applied, appointed application........
Like....
Who is this...is this not the son of Joseph the carpenter...........
the trees man....the trees.......
By the way...for the record....I have nothing against you personally and sometimes like what you say......but I will vehemently stand against any and all who push a law abiding dogma because the LAW will justify NO ONE...it proves guilt!
Which one is biblical....?
The JUST shall live by FAITH
The JUST shall live by law abiding
The bolded will never = being just before GOD....because MEN cannot keep it and it proves GUILT
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), YHWH; for it his not subject to the Law of YHWH, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please YHWH."
[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him."
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 21:3-4, "And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father. And YHWH will wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there will be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, nor will there be any more pain, for the former things have passed away.”[/FONT]
[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him."
[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 21:3-4, "And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father. And YHWH will wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there will be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, nor will there be any more pain, for the former things have passed away.”[/FONT]
No the pharisees did not.
Then the Pharisees went and plotted together how they might trap Him in what He said.
Then they sent some of the Pharisees and Herodians to Him in order to trap Him in a statement
I and the Father are one." 31The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?
But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, "It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons.
Matthew 12:14
But the Pharisees went out and conspired to kill Jesus.
Then the Pharisees went and plotted together how they might trap Him in what He said.
Then they sent some of the Pharisees and Herodians to Him in order to trap Him in a statement
I and the Father are one." 31The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?
But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, "It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons.
Matthew 12:14
But the Pharisees went out and conspired to kill Jesus.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."[/FONT]
You are crazy.
Psalms 38:20, “And those who repay evil for good, They oppose me, because I follow what is good."
Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”
Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"
Psalms 38:20, “And those who repay evil for good, They oppose me, because I follow what is good."
Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”
Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"
You must not study as much as you claim....and yes indeed the Pharisees did exactly that.....
"The Pharisee stood and was praying this to himself: 'God, I thank You that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 'I fast twice a week; I pay tithes of all that I get.
Originally Posted by dcontroversal
Yep....the Pharisees thought and said the same thing........
I thank GOD I do this and do that and this and that and am not like that SINNER over there that DOES NOT do these thing I DO....
tragically hilarious
"The Pharisee stood and was praying this to himself: 'God, I thank You that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 'I fast twice a week; I pay tithes of all that I get.
I thank GOD I do this and do that and this and that and am not like that SINNER over there that DOES NOT do these thing I DO....
tragically hilarious
2 John
1 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;
2 For the truth's sake, which dwelleth in us, and shall be with us for ever.
3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
4 I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children walking in truth, as we have received a commandment from the Father.
5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
12 Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, and speak face to face, that our joy may be full.
13 The children of thy elect sister greet thee. Amen.
I think this is a lovely letter to learn from..
1 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;
2 For the truth's sake, which dwelleth in us, and shall be with us for ever.
3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
4 I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children walking in truth, as we have received a commandment from the Father.
5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
12 Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, and speak face to face, that our joy may be full.
13 The children of thy elect sister greet thee. Amen.
I think this is a lovely letter to learn from..
You are obviously missing a few things....they believed a messiah would come, they rejected JESUS and pushed a law abiding working for dogma.....and what you fail to understand that PAUL condemns ALL gospels that BLEND FAITH and LAW or WORKS together for salvation...to gain, keep or maintain....and this is exactly what you espouse and push....a gospel of a different kind with NO Power, double cursed and all who believe it are foolish and bewitched....
You cannot BLEND GRACE and LAW/WORKS
IT is one or the OTHER...not both...and the LATTER condemns and proves GUILT
I may be....but smart enough to know that PAUL said LAW or GRACE not both.....and that NO MAN can keep the LAW and that that which is designed to prove GUILT does not justify........
so......if I am crazy what does that make one who blends grace and law.....the clue is found in Galatians chapter 3..........it starts with a F and ends with H........has 7 letters............
so......if I am crazy what does that make one who blends grace and law.....the clue is found in Galatians chapter 3..........it starts with a F and ends with H........has 7 letters............
Jesus said in John 6- the will of God is to look upon and believe in the One He sent.
in 1st John 3 John said the commandment is to believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another.
nothing about Sabbath , Torah, festivals, new moons, etc....
I think that Christ and his disciples knew what they were saying. I think that if we were to follow the O.T. laws, they would have directly said so. God is not the author of confusion, and a holy God is certainly not deceptive.
in 1st John 3 John said the commandment is to believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another.
nothing about Sabbath , Torah, festivals, new moons, etc....
I think that Christ and his disciples knew what they were saying. I think that if we were to follow the O.T. laws, they would have directly said so. God is not the author of confusion, and a holy God is certainly not deceptive.
You must not study as much as you claim....and yes indeed the Pharisees did exactly that.....
"The Pharisee stood and was praying this to himself: 'God, I thank You that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 'I fast twice a week; I pay tithes of all that I get.
Originally Posted by dcontroversal
Yep....the Pharisees thought and said the same thing........
I thank GOD I do this and do that and this and that and am not like that SINNER over there that DOES NOT do these thing I DO....
tragically hilarious
"The Pharisee stood and was praying this to himself: 'God, I thank You that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 'I fast twice a week; I pay tithes of all that I get.
I thank GOD I do this and do that and this and that and am not like that SINNER over there that DOES NOT do these thing I DO....
tragically hilarious
The pharisees did not;
She said "i Trust, Love and obey the Messiah and walk after Him on the path of Righteousness"
you replied "Yep....the Pharisees thought and said the same thing........
I thank GOD I do this and do that and this and that and am not like that SINNER over there that DOES NOT do these thing I DO...."
When you say "Yep....the Pharisees thought and said the same thing........"
Replying to something someone just said, does it not appear you are saying the pharisees said the same thing as they just said? Possibly you did mean about the holier than thou, but the way you worded it makes it look like
"i Trust, Love and obey the Messiah and walk after Him on the path of Righteousness"
"Yep....the Pharisees thought and said the same thing........"