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stonesoffire

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I believed.. and was set free to love and obey by a Gracious GOD.. and when you are picked up from off your knees having despair and guilt removed far by Christ whom you called upon to help.. that Love I never knew existed.. I never deserved.. I’m forever grateful and Love my Lord and Hear His voice.. and all I desire is to love and obey Him out of grattitude for saving me.
This is the new birth, yes. We all have this testimony who are born from above. This is the Spirit of Christ which without one cannot be saved. Now, have you received the power? Baptized by Holy Spirit?

We naturally think we have to "do" something to please Father. It's our mindset to please by what we do from the world. But, this is not the way of the Kingdom. Father has already given us everything we need to live a victorious life in Jesus Christ.

But, we don't know this when the kingdom of God comes within us. We learn as Holy Spirit instructs at the timing we can receive truth. Everything we do is from the inside to outside. As Spirit speaks. Have you not have the word well up in you and you hear instruction? This is one way. Then the rhema word...His Voice, or the Word jumps out of the pages of the scriptures.

I've often heard Him give me a portion of scripture as I type here. Then I know what to say as I search it out.

Not perfect in this. Sometimes my own thoughts get in the way. Just like everyone else.

But in the Spirit it is not so. When Holy Spirit wells up out of us and we begin to speak, it is with His authority, and is anointed.

This is our works loveme. Not good deeds though we may be told to do a good deed. Always by His leading or it's just us. And we have no anointing without Him initiating the act.
 

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Not Trump. Now if you want to blame Bush, yes I will agree with you. I heard with my own ears HW Bush speak of the coming New World Order. We were deceived by George W. Bush, thinking he was a Christian.

But, not Trump. You all are deceived by the news media. I listen to the prophets. Trump was declared President years ago before he ever came on the scene.

This is why Trump is so hated. Judgement however is falling right and left and its' being revealed who the evil is in govt.

But, we are off topic.

i don’t hate Trump.. but do not think that he is of a different agenda to bush.. gosh no.. and I am not taken in by the anti trump agenda.. those people who hate on him because of the media portrayal are just part of spreading hate as much as any other.. many willing to kill because hate burns within them..

Can you show me Trump saving the world from evil Islam in the Bible? .. nope he will act out his part like all others toward the New world order..
 

stonesoffire

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Who wrote their quran? Are the Muslims the only religion in unbelief? I think not.. I will never read their quran.. I have no need I stick to my Heavenly Father’s Truth who said Isaac.. but just as they be unbelieving are many..

In high places posing to be good.. and we all know the good guy needs a bad guy.. but my word what the good guy will do while you all watch the bad guy be overcome.. well the end is that they will unite and show you all that religion must be eradicated.. beliefs controlled and denounced to be part of their New world order.. all for peace.. and that is why I hope many will not partake in the ways of the world.
The Sons of God are of a different way. I would like to tell you of how the Sons will operate but I don't think you are ready to hear.

Look at Jesus...in one instance the crowd tried to take and make Him King. Did He not pass through the crowd without being recognized? How?

Think about this. There are so many spiritual truths that the body of Christ are still not perceiving. And the ways of Holy Spirit.

God knows our end from the beginning. Until the day that He calls us home...no one can take the Sons out.

I must leave this at that.
 

stonesoffire

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The action required is the acts of Holy Spirit found in the book of Acts.

~Joh 5:39  You examine the Scriptures carefully because you suppose that in them you have eternal life. Yet they testify about me. 

Acts is an ongoing book...still being written.
 

loveme1

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This is the new birth, yes. We all have this testimony who are born from above. This is the Spirit of Christ which without one cannot be saved. Now, have you received the power? Baptized by Holy Spirit?

We naturally think we have to "do" something to please Father. It's our mindset to please by what we do from the world. But, this is not the way of the Kingdom. Father has already given us everything we need to live a victorious life in Jesus Christ.

But, we don't know this when the kingdom of God comes within us. We learn as Holy Spirit instructs at the timing we can receive truth. Everything we do is from the inside to outside. As Spirit speaks. Have you not have the word well up in you and you hear instruction? This is one way. Then the rhema word...His Voice, or the Word jumps out of the pages of the scriptures.

I've often heard Him give me a portion of scripture as I type here. Then I know what to say as I search it out.

Not perfect in this. Sometimes my own thoughts get in the way. Just like everyone else.

But in the Spirit it is not so. When Holy Spirit wells up out of us and we begin to speak, it is with His authority, and is anointed.

This is our works loveme. Not good deeds though we may be told to do a good deed. Always by His leading or it's just us. And we have no anointing without Him initiating the act.
If your a child of GOD you Keep His Commandments.. that is written.

Now you have your beliefs as I have mine if we both be children of GOD then we do the will of the Father.

The Holy Spirit guides and comforts us reminding us of Truth.. now I say the Holy Spirit was given to me and I will live by Faith in Christ.. let us continue and GOD give increase.. I will hold fast by the power of GOD.
 

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The Sons of God are of a different way. I would like to tell you of how the Sons will operate but I don't think you are ready to hear.

Look at Jesus...in one instance the crowd tried to take and make Him King. Did He not pass through the crowd without being recognized? How?

Think about this. There are so many spiritual truths that the body of Christ are still not perceiving. And the ways of Holy Spirit.

God knows our end from the beginning. Until the day that He calls us home...no one can take the Sons out.

I must leave this at that.
Have you been reading books aside from the Bible?

If you are special above and beyond .. then let me be the least child of GOD. But nothing you say reminds me of Christ or the Father. So i need not hear anymore.

The Holy Spirit is my guide and comforter and I relay what I receive freely. Let GOD deal with me if I seek anything other than His Glory.
 
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No, EG is not saying any of those things.

What we all are saying is to worship Jesus and simply walk with Him. Acknowledge that He is God and we are not. That He is Saviour, and we are in need of His salvation to go on in our life, as long as we live in this body. That our very own soul can betray us by habits and thinking of the old man that we continually are tripped up by when we get our eyes off of Jesus.

That no OT saint ever had a relationship with God our Father until Jesus for they stood in congregated gatherings to hear the laws and would state, yes we will obey.

That is not the body of Jesus Christ today. And that is what you all who say we must fiollow Jewish laws are trying to put on the saints who now have the privilege to walk in fellowship with Him. The Jews never had what we have.

Only Moses spoke with God this way, and he had to wear a veil to hide the glory. Now we have that very glory of God inside and it shines when we know the truth.

Nothing that being under law can bring. That is what we have! The very law, the walking Torah Himself, the Word has given us Himself to be part of Himself. His body!

When we fully get this, then we will walk as He walked, and live, move, have our very being as He directs!
Thanks sis, I have this guy on ignore, it is amazing he continues to attack me.

I find it amazing, In peter trying to chastise me, Here he is slandering me once again.

1. He claims I state the sin issue can not be resolved, He lied. The sin issue was resolved on the cross
2. He states I teach people that the sin issue can not be defeated. Again, He lied. The sin issue can be defeated by the cross. and we can resolve our personal sins by seeking after the things of the spirit. and serving the law of love as scripture plainly states.
3. He states EG condemns the righteous Again, He is a liar. EG preaches against those preaching a works based salvation, who reject the cross as means of salvation, ad state salvation MUST be maintained or earned by your works.
4. He asks if it would be better to live in sin as long as we believe as if EG would teach such nonsense, When he KNOWS EG believes first john which says the believer CAN NOT LIVE IN SIN, WHOEVER LIVES IN SIN HAS NEITHER SEEN GOD OR KNOWN HIM, so again, He is a liar
5. He says in our minds, living in sin would be heaven on earth. That is about all I have had, Peter is now on report. for again his slanderous ways. His nonsense is out of hand.
6. His last paraagraph is something EG would agree 100 % with, But since he can not understand what EG, he will never understand that basic truth.

Again, It is sad I have had this person on ignore for MONTH now, and he continues to attack me.

Lets pray the mods do something with this nonsense, it is OLD!
 

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Hi all...It`s a beautiful sunny day in England, and I just want to let you all know that today is my birthday in Christ Jesus:) 2 years since the LORD washed me, forgave me and made me a new creation in Him...

Ephesians 2:8-9 8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—9 not by works, so that no one can boast...:D


I am more in love with our LORD than I could ever imagine, This is the day the Lord has made, and I am going to rejoice in it :)...Just thought I would share with you all, I want to shout it from the roof tops :eek:...\o/...xox...
Praising the Lord and rejoicing with you dear sweet Rosemary!

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stonesoffire

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Have you been reading books aside from the Bible?

If you are special above and beyond .. then let me be the least child of GOD. But nothing you say reminds me of Christ or the Father. So i need not hear anymore.

The Holy Spirit is my guide and comforter and I relay what I receive freely. Let GOD deal with me if I seek anything other than His Glory.

If I thought I was special above and beyond, I wouldn't be here on this site trying to encourage my brethren to come up higher to what Jesus has bought for us and we can freely receive. I've taken much abuse from the brethren. But, am still here.

What I wrote in that post is from the scripture. Have you not read it? And I"ve experienced being in the Spirit so I know what I am speaking about.

But, again...you refuse to look at the scriptures but want to remain "doing" to please. Well, I was caught in this too for too long.

So I try to warn others there is the new way. New wine. I have no idea what you think the new wine is but it is not doing the commandments. To keep is to have in the heart and guard. The love of the Word. If there is a doing, we will do...

But, we are empowered to do whatever we are lead to do. And sometimes the leading is not found in scripture.

I was in my sons class on Valentines day. Holy Spirit speaks to me to get up and speak about His love to the children versus the human love the holiday is about. I said to Him, I can't just get up and start speaking. They will think I am crazy.

Then the teacher says to me...Mrs. .....do you have anything to say to the children. I got up with nothing on my mind...but was filled as I opened my mouth.

For He said...if you open...I will fill it. That is what I am talking about.
 

stonesoffire

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Thanks sis, I have this guy on ignore, it is amazing he continues to attack me.

I find it amazing, In peter trying to chastise me, Here he is slandering me once again.

1. He claims I state the sin issue can not be resolved, He lied. The sin issue was resolved on the cross
2. He states I teach people that the sin issue can not be defeated. Again, He lied. The sin issue can be defeated by the cross. and we can resolve our personal sins by seeking after the things of the spirit. and serving the law of love as scripture plainly states.
3. He states EG condemns the righteous Again, He is a liar. EG preaches against those preaching a works based salvation, who reject the cross as means of salvation, ad state salvation MUST be maintained or earned by your works.
4. He asks if it would be better to live in sin as long as we believe as if EG would teach such nonsense, When he KNOWS EG believes first john which says the believer CAN NOT LIVE IN SIN, WHOEVER LIVES IN SIN HAS NEITHER SEEN GOD OR KNOWN HIM, so again, He is a liar
5. He says in our minds, living in sin would be heaven on earth. That is about all I have had, Peter is now on report. for again his slanderous ways. His nonsense is out of hand.
6. His last paraagraph is something EG would agree 100 % with, But since he can not understand what EG, he will never understand that basic truth.

Again, It is sad I have had this person on ignore for MONTH now, and he continues to attack me.

Lets pray the mods do something with this nonsense, it is OLD!
I totally understand EG.

But, I don't think the mods will do anything. Actually it could be the separating going on. Do you understand? Reading the posts, one has to take a side for there definitely is a separation of thought here.

One speaks of self effort, the other the effort of Holy Spirit.

What will one believe and see what is truly the Word.

And is nothing new for Paul had the same thing to teach about.

We are accused of being unloving. And we believe truth is Love, for truth is a person...who is love. Truth is light...illuminates our being. We see through the eyes of Jesus as we live in Him. Truth is the way...the way of the Spirit of God who has freely given us a path to follow. The same path He walked but we walk in His victory for He is victorious now.

Is how we overcome...thank God for the triumph of the Son! Through the blood of Jesus and the Word of His testimony. I wonder if there are those who think that is through the word of their testimony?
 

Hizikyah

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We all need His mercy and to be strengthened by His Spirit, but we also have free will and it is our choice what we do with the power He gives us...

the mark of YHWH and the mark of the beast are both on the hand and the head...faith and works...none should gloat about their works, as Yah grants strenth and a righteous heart, yet it still remains that He gives us free will...


on the hand and the head

on the hand... what you do with your life/the strength He gives to humans

on the head... what you believe and have faith in

ps im not siding with anyone, but staing what I believ to be truth of YHWH.
 

loveme1

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If I thought I was special above and beyond, I wouldn't be here on this site trying to encourage my brethren to come up higher to what Jesus has bought for us and we can freely receive. I've taken much abuse from the brethren. But, am still here.

What I wrote in that post is from the scripture. Have you not read it? And I"ve experienced being in the Spirit so I know what I am speaking about.

But, again...you refuse to look at the scriptures but want to remain "doing" to please. Well, I was caught in this too for too long.

So I try to warn others there is the new way. New wine. I have no idea what you think the new wine is but it is not doing the commandments. To keep is to have in the heart and guard. The love of the Word. If there is a doing, we will do...

But, we are empowered to do whatever we are lead to do. And sometimes the leading is not found in scripture.

I was in my sons class on Valentines day. Holy Spirit speaks to me to get up and speak about His love to the children versus the human love the holiday is about. I said to Him, I can't just get up and start speaking. They will think I am crazy.

Then the teacher says to me...Mrs. .....do you have anything to say to the children. I got up with nothing on my mind...but was filled as I opened my mouth.

For He said...if you open...I will fill it. That is what I am talking about.

You want people to come up higher? You say Love is not Keeping the Commandments..

yet the Messiah said those that do them..


Matthew 5

17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.



Now there is a New Testament and we are to believe and do.

The Holy Spirit is a seal given to those that believe

Ephesians 1


Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. 7In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; 8Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; 9Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: 10That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: 11In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: 12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.



Trust in Christ the Gospel of your Salvation..

and peter said Lord where should we go because it is you that has the words of Everlasting life.. Praise GOD.


 

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No Other Gospel

There is a lot of false teaching going as most of you can see already. Some are teaching a "sinless perfectionism" and some are teaching I must, "keep myself saved.", and some are saying we should live by OT Law. The Apostle Paul say's in these scripture verses, false teachers are, "trying to pervert the gospel of Christ", and that even if an "angel from heaven" should preach another gospel, "let them be under God's cure. Should not all of us take these words of Paul to heart and not let these misinformed people try to peddle their perverted gospel. It is disturbing to me to keep hearing their lie's day after day.

Galatians1:6-9
6) I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel
7) which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.
8) But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!
9) As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!
 
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The action required is the acts of Holy Spirit found in the book of Acts.

~Joh 5:39  You examine the Scriptures carefully because you suppose that in them you have eternal life. Yet they testify about me. 

Acts is an ongoing book...still being written.

Revelation 22

6And he said unto me, These sayings are Faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.
7Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.
8And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. 9Then saith he unto me, See thou do itnot: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
10And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. 11He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
17And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.


18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
20He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
21The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ bewith you all. Amen. {THE END.}



We are are still here abiding.. still approaching the Harvest.. the fruit still ripening through Faith in Christ..
 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."[/FONT]
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1 John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”
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TruthTalk

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No Other Gospel

There is a lot of false teaching going as most of you can see already. Some are teaching a "sinless perfectionism" and some are teaching I must, "keep myself saved.", and some are saying we should live by OT Law. The Apostle Paul say's in these scripture verses, false teachers are, "trying to pervert the gospel of Christ", and that even if an "angel from heaven" should preach another gospel, "let them be under God's curse." Should not all of us take these words of Paul to heart and not let these misinformed people try to peddle their perverted gospel. It is disturbing to me to keep hearing their lie's day after day.

Galatians1:6-9
6) I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel
7) which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.
8) But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!
9) As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!​


 
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Hebrew word for sin-chata. definition - to miss. sin in Aramaic is defined as do wrong, commit a mistake or make an error, to miss the mark to miss the way, fail to find or have. it can also mean imperfect.

there you have it. so, if you disagree , take it up with strong's, not me. that is not my opinion, that is how the word is defined.
Problem - If there is no measure against which to mark things there is no sin.
So all you have said is sin is failing to reach a mark. But a mark on what and how is
it defined.

It is like saying in a fun fair ride people under this mark cannot go on the ride but there
is no mark set up to measure people with. The exclusion could mean everyone or no one.
Until you see where the mark is, how it is defined and you measure yourself it has no
meaning.

So my friend you have again failed to say anything meaningful.

If you say I define my mistakes or errors, then I can say I commit them always or never.
So this morality is totally subjective, and again your morality would be different to mine.

I get the feeling you only point is to create the impression of an issue, but not able to
complete the point. Lol. This is what I call joking around, but this is a serious issue.

God declares He has written the marks and law on our hearts. So you know when you
truly fail. The problem with us is being honest about our successes and failures.

Or do you have a different point to make? Because I cannot see one at the moment.
 

loveme1

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No Other Gospel

There is a lot of false teaching going as most of you can see already. Some are teaching a "sinless perfectionism" and some are teaching I must, "keep myself saved.", and some are saying we should live by OT Law. The Apostle Paul say's in these scripture verses, false teachers are, "trying to pervert the gospel of Christ", and that even if an "angel from heaven" should preach another gospel, "let them be under God's curse." Should not all of us take these words of Paul to heart and not let these misinformed people try to peddle their perverted gospel. It is disturbing to me to keep hearing their lie's day after day.





Galatians1:6-9
6) I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel
7) which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.
8) But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!
9) As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!​


You know that Christ preached that we should not sin and be perfect and Righteous.. to Love even our enemies.. to Keep the Commandments. You know Christ requires perfect works?...



Do you know how ridiculous it is of you to say that Christ perverts His own Truth? ...


You have a problem because it is all written for us to believe.. and anything being proposed that is not found in the Scriptures should be rejected and we hold dear to the Truth.. but this idea that the Gospel is perverted by the Truth Christ gave means that those who have not those Teachings must have a different Christ.. because GOD’s Son Himself Taught those things!
 
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No Other Gospel

There is a lot of false teaching going as most of you can see already. Some are teaching a "sinless perfectionism" and some are teaching I must, "keep myself saved.", and some are saying we should live by OT Law. The Apostle Paul say's in these scripture verses, false teachers are, "trying to pervert the gospel of Christ", and that even if an "angel from heaven" should preach another gospel, "let them be under God's curse." Should not all of us take these words of Paul to heart and not let these misinformed people try to peddle their perverted gospel. It is disturbing to me to keep hearing their lie's day after day.

Galatians1:6-9
6) I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel
7) which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.
8) But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!
9) As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!​

This sounds very good until you ask the question what are we in the Kingdom of heaven?

Those who do the will of the Father, who are the expression of His will, desire, heart, His
body on earth as a witness to who He is.

So if doing Gods will defines us, what of those who walk in rebellion and sin?
By simple deduction they are not Gods people and if they once walked in righteousness,
they have fallen away.

But to square your circle, in your view of Gods Kingdom, are both sinners and saints, and
you are totally fuzzy how these sinners will become saints. The clutching at straws is when
they get a new body. But this only works if sin is based in the flesh and not in the heart.

If it is the heart that is rotten then no different body will change anything, and God will
simply destroy all in the lake of fire.

So I counsel to beware and look carefully at what God our Lord says. He will not repeat it,
because it is all there. It is not as if He has not given enough warnings and judgement calls.
 
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Those who are Holy please stand up.

The body of Christ rises as one.
The writer of hebrews says it like this,

Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy;
without holiness no one will see the Lord.
Heb 12:14

It does not come more obvious than this.
Get yourselves right with God before it is too late and your hearts are so hard nothing
gets through.