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dcontroversal

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loveme1 said:
So many here share their Faith in the Lord to be told they serve a false Prophet and have a False Gospel.. you can not serve a verse or two of Paul’s writings and proclaim all who Love and obey the Lord will be told to depart.. If it were not so serious it could be laughed off.. but it is deadly serious...
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Jesus was the one who said it and USED the word MANY<--plenteous in number...so who do you think he is talking about when he NAMES specific claims by these people who CLAIM to know him

a. WORKS
b. Casting out demons
c. Foretelling the future

MOST so called Christian religions push one or all of the above while claiming to know JESUS
 
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Okay phart, I have read again with that fresh eye this morning but I have a lot of work to do today and not much time.

I think my disconnect with what you are saying is caused by me being unable to fathom how anyone could meet Him and know His peace and then say they don't believe He exists anymore and don't believe He spoke the truth any more.

Doubts, mistrusts, struggles to believe without wavering - I have had these and have come through these with His help. He has shared many meals with me in that indescribable communion with Him. That communion is indisputable proof that He is and that He can be trusted.

It is incomprehensible to me that someone could ever experience Him, encounter Him, like this, and then say they no longer believe He exists.

I can see an anger that could cause them to ignore Him for a bit, but I can't see insistence that He does not exist and its all lies after having met and walked with Him. Unless there was true insanity, I can't see it. I can't even see it theoretically. My mind can't see this happening.

I think that's why I can't understand what you're trying to convey. I've tried very hard. I don't have these conversations be cause I'm bored and want to argue. I tenaciously want to understand the point you are trying to convey.

Lots of heavy furniture to move to the shops today. Sold a rocking chair I painted, yesterday, for 225.00. Can you believe that?? I do furniture that I myself could not afford haha!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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We are saved through CHRIST we are saved, Not through ours righteousness. Our relation with Christ is based on our salvation. Peter has it backwards.
 
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notmyown

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loveme1 said:
So many here share their Faith in the Lord to be told they serve a false Prophet and have a False Gospel.. you can not serve a verse or two of Paul’s writings and proclaim all who Love and obey the Lord will be told to depart.. If it were not so serious it could be laughed off.. but it is deadly serious...
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well, you know, there's not a thing wrong with obeying God. :)

it's about motive, don't you think? what's our motive, our real reason for obedience?
it is gratitude for what the Lord has done, or is it to gain something?
 
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Studyman said:
I appreciate your zeal and don't want to offend, but to ask a question regarding scripture.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Matt. 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


From your understanding, what is "That Day a reference to?
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The Great White Throne judgment of Revelation A.K.A> the second death which has no power on the saved that were resurrected or changed in the 1st resurrection. They will be judged by the books "plural" found guilty and cast..........books being the LAW which condemns and the book of life
 
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notmyown said:
i understand your feelings have been hurt, and i am sorry for it.

you still had a Biblical responsibility to go about it in a Biblical way, whether or not there was public information.

If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. (Matt 18:15)

aannnd it's not as if, in this specific instance, you were sinned against.
i'm just saying, for a guy who preaches all about the luv, you didn't really show it here.
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I wish I knew what you are talking about.
Someones twitter account is a public domain site.
There attitude to others is a public domain issue.

I just posted links to it, and said it appeared to be a consistent life style.
This is just observations.

The sin was lying about it, and inventing and fabricating excuses.
The proof of the reality is in deleting the account to remove the evidence.

My whole point about hacking an account, if you cannot change the contents,
and are offended, you get rid of it. Now this has happened, it is obvious this
was a choice by the owner of the account, and is a result of this interaction here.

What is amusing is how much these things matter.

For a group who claim to live without rules or condemnation, swearing is obviously
a deeply offensive sin. On the scale of heaven and hell, who is evil and who is not,
I did not know this was your touch stone, lol.
 
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dcontroversal said:
Not sure what theory you speak of....the truth bears out in my last post and yes the words eternal and everlasting are both tied unto LIFE based upon belief into the finished work of Christ on our behalf.....they were religious people who had never trusted into JESUS biblically.....there is but one GOSPEL and if you do not come by that door...you will not make it!
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The power of the Cross is GOD.. and GOD states those that Love Him Keep His Commandments.. His Son states the Greatest is to Love GOD and each other... do you know how GOD sets us apart? Belief... a belief that knows that GOD is the Power and those that believe His Son’s Testament.. are Kept.. guided and comforted through Faith in Christ to the only door into to the Kingdom of GOD.
 
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notmyown said:
well, you know, there's not a thing wrong with obeying God. :)

it's about motive, don't you think? what's our motive, our real reason for obedience?
it is gratitude for what the Lord has done, or is it to gain something?
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After GOD sent His Son to suffer to forgive and reconcile us unto Himself.. what is there to gain?
 
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loveme1 said:
After GOD sent His Son to suffer to forgive and reconcile us unto Himself.. what is there to gain?
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Many in here think the ability to maintain salvation (not lose it)
 
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dcontroversal said:
Jesus was the one who said it and USED the word MANY<--plenteous in number...so who do you think he is talking about when he NAMES specific claims by these people who CLAIM to know him

a. WORKS
b. Casting out demons
c. Foretelling the future

MOST so called Christian religions push one or all of the above while claiming to know JESUS
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Do you honestly think those that Love Him and do what He teaches are the ones told to depart? Faith that worketh by Love.. not Faith without love..
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

Peter went for the throat.
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eg Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I wish you knew what going for the throat is. You try and do it all the time
and fail, it just makes me laugh.

The problem with the hatred you demonstrate towards me, is it just never
stops..... maybe it is ptsd, or your recurring nightmare.

Counselling can help, but it is actually outside my experience to know quite how
to help you, but I am willing to do what I can, except stop praising the Lord and
witnessing to His glorious work in the believers life, Amen.
 
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To use that as security will lead those who do it into a works state of life.
It's based on performance. It's a subtle lie that will keep what you do or don't do as a qualifier
loveme1 said:
The power of the Cross is GOD.. and GOD states those that Love Him Keep His Commandments.. His Son states the Greatest is to Love GOD and each other... do you know how GOD sets us apart? Belief... a belief that knows that GOD is the Power and those that believe His Son’s Testament.. are Kept.. guided and comforted through Faith in Christ to the only door into to the Kingdom of GOD.
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loveme1 said:
Do you honestly think those that Love Him and do what He teaches are the ones told to depart? Faith that worketh by Love.. not Faith without love..
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THEY THOUGHT they loved him. They did not. Jesus said they did works in Gods name, and it sounded like mighty works. Not just a few righteous deeds. But many,

Since Jesus never knew them, they NEVER had a relationship.

Religion and relationship are not the same. Only those who have a relationship are saved.


 
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notmyown said:
exactly. obedience is the fruit of justification, not the root of it. :)
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I tell you what P Mom.. find the post where I have said a person is Justified by their own works.. show where I tell a person to circumcise their own heart? To Love GOD first to be saved?
 
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loveme1 said:
I tell you what P Mom.. find the post where I have said a person is Justified by their own works.. show where I tell a person to circumcise their own heart? To Love GOD first to be saved?
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Do you believe we must work to maintain salvation, DO you think salvation can be lost if we do not work hard enough?


 
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notmyown said:
i'm just saying, for a guy who preaches all about the luv, you didn't really show it here.
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I think you miss the point I made.
Lying about your life style and way of behaving on twitter does not commend you to anyone.
The simple evidence was the public testimony of ones own account.

You are trying to tell me, someone who obviously behaves in one way, then denies it is not
in trouble, and we should lovingly just say, oh, no problems there, you are not who you
actually are.

It makes a farce of what you guys call truth and walking with the Lord.
If this is how you believe walking with the Lord is, I want nothing to do with it.

I can imagine a number of you are thinking of me full of lead about now, lol.
This is how lost you guys really are.
 
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Zi said:
To use that as security will lead those who do it into a works state of life.
It's based on performance. It's a subtle lie that will keep what you do or don't do as a qualifier
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Shall we tell GOD He is wrong? I think not. It is Believing first and foremost.. because my dear we are to labour in love to be found worthy to walk in white.. to have our works found Perfect by the Lord that saved us unto His good works..
 
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loveme1 said:
Do you honestly think those that Love Him and do what He teaches are the ones told to depart? Faith that worketh by Love.. not Faith without love..
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Hatred for certain types of believers has taken over their souls and dominates everything
they do and think.

eg once put it I was how he was 20 years ago.

The animosity spills over day in and day out. What Jesus says to us though, is Amen, we
can take it because in love it does not matter, our time here is limited and pride, our opinions
our standing before others is secondary to our love of Jesus and His ways, Amen.
 
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