Not By Works

[BillG]

I thought about apologing for filling your thread with cake fighting. But I can't because I am completely unrepentant.

Lol.

I know I am blessed with getting away with a lot because y'all love me like that annoying little sister that followed you around and keeps asking.

.why? Why? Why?

What do you mean by this?

Why would you say such a thing?

Why do you believe that, do you have scripture?


I thank God for all your love and patience, but no more cake. My belly hurts. How about some water instead?

And thats why we love you.

You actually manifest the fruit of the spirit, which is what we all want do.

Truth is we all need pruning and being open to be pruned makes it a lot easier to love.

We need each other and that's the truth. Fellowship.

Agreeing to disagree is not an issue for me, as long as it is not so far of the mark.

Seeking is not the issue, imposing is.

Imposing can push love to its limit.

God bless you sister, precious daughter of the Father

 

[Magenta]

Work or Works?

I think it was wok...



But yes, the work of God is to bring us to belief in the work of His Son...
that we may lay down trying to win His approval through worldly means.

By accepting the propitiatory sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross...
we lay down our preconceived ideas, and walk in the Truth of His Word.

 

[BillG]

Work.......my bad.....got 50 things going on at the moment HAH

No excuse

 

[BillG]

I think it was wok...

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But yes, the work of God is to bring us to belief in the work of His Son...
that we may lay down trying to win His approval through worldly means.

By accepting the propitiatory sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross...
we lay down our preconceived ideas, and walk in the Truth of His Word.

Amen sister

 

[BillG]

Here is some scripture on the topic...

Matthew 5:16 ESV
In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.

James 2:14-17 ESV
What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

Ephesians 2:10 ESV
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.


Colossians 3:23-24 ESV
Whatever you do, work heartily, as for the Lord and not for men, knowing that from the Lord you will receive the inheritance as your reward. You are serving the Lord Christ.


1 Timothy 6:17-19 ESV
As for the rich in this present age, charge them not to be haughty, nor to set their hopes on the uncertainty of riches, but on God, who richly provides us with everything to enjoy. They are to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share, thus storing up treasure for themselves as a good foundation for the future, so that they may take hold of that which is truly life.


John 6:28-29 ESV
Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”


Galatians 6:9 ESV
And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up.


Proverbs 3:27-28 ESV
Do not withhold good from those to whom it is due, when it is in your power to do it. Do not say to your neighbor, “Go, and come again, tomorrow I will give it”—when you have it with you.


1 Corinthians 16:14 ESV
Let all that you do be done in love.


Titus 2:14 ESV
Who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works.


Hebrews 10:24 ESV
And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works,


James 1:27 ESV
Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.

Amen sister

 

[PeterJens]

Absurd ideas. We are born in rebellion against God, lost, empty, without hope,
who learn how to fight, defend, to sin, to hurt others, to justify themselves and
threaten all who come their way.

Jesus who came to bring us hope, love, freedom and life, through the cross
delivers it to those who believe in Him and open their hearts to repentance and
walking in His ways.

Now the absurd idea is it is ok to walk still in evil, destructive, selfish and lust
filled ways. The whole point of Christ, His one mission was to deliver us from
this very reality and bring us into His light.

So behaviour after being born again is the whole point of the exercise and
salvation. It is the essence of our walk, our relationship, our passion, our
reality.

Reading the words in the world of the lost, arriving in the Kingdom seems
to be everything. But it is about arriving and walking, being, dwelling, abiding,
letting Christ work through us and with us. If it was just about arriving then
just being and accepting would make some sense, if everything is promised like
winning the lottery. But this is about life, and living the full dimensions of existance,
from joy to great sorrow.

 

[dcontroversal]

You know.......what is good for the proverbial Goose is good for the GANDER

Was Jesus born the SON of God or did he have to WORK to be the Son of GOD....

Yeah...that's exactly what I thought....

HE was born THE SON of GOD by the Holy Spirit

SAME as we are....by faith void of works!

 

[Ariel82]

I could say what I think is an absurd idea....but I probably should eat my cake instead and pray first...

 

[dcontroversal]

Good thing...I see the cake taker extraordinaire is spreading vitriol and false accusations and assumptions again....nothing but deceit from him

 

[Ariel82]

Would you like some cake Peter?

I am sure Dcon, will share some of his...

Absurd ideas.
.

okay let's hear them!

.

We are born in rebellion against God, lost, empty, without hope,
who learn how to fight, defend, to sin, to hurt others, to justify themselves and
threaten all who come their way. .

that's not absurd.,that is called sin. It traces back to Adam and his curse.

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Jesus who came to bring us hope, love, freedom and life, through the cross
delivers it to those who believe in Him and open their hearts to repentance and
walking in His ways. .

amen, that is the gospel message. That by one man, Adam all are condemned. That by one man,Jesus, all can be redeemed who have faith in Him and are born again and lead by His Holy Spirit.

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Now the absurd idea is it is ok to walk still in evil, destructive, selfish and lust
filled ways. The whole point of Christ, His one mission was to deliver us from
this very reality and bring us into His light. .

okay no one teaching that in this thread but let's see where you go with this....

.

So behaviour after being born again is the whole point of the exercise and
salvation. .

And there is the cliff.. The point of salvation is having our relationship with God restored through Jesus. One must have internal change before external behavioral modifications occur.

.

It is the essence of our walk, our relationship, our passion, our
reality. .

behavioral modifications? What is it?

Point of my being is not an it but WHO. AND THE WHO is Christ Jesus. The what is His love for me. Only then can my heart be filled with love to give to others.

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Reading the words in the world of the lost, arriving in the Kingdom seems
to be everything. But it is about arriving and walking, being, dwelling, abiding,
letting Christ work through us and with us. If it was just about arriving then
just being and accepting would make some sense, if everything is promised like
winning the lottery. But this is about life, and living the full dimensions of existance,
from joy to great sorrow.

I think can see what you are trying to say.

That salvation is not just the destination but the journey of life towards God.

If that is the concept you are trying to convey, then I agree. It echos with what I posted previously about how salvation is about how God saves us NOW and not just a future promise of eternity with Him.

 

[BillG]

Absurd ideas. We are born in rebellion against God, lost, empty, without hope,
who learn how to fight, defend, to sin, to hurt others, to justify themselves and
threaten all who come their way.

Jesus who came to bring us hope, love, freedom and life, through the cross
delivers it to those who believe in Him and open their hearts to repentance and
walking in His ways.

Now the absurd idea is it is ok to walk still in evil, destructive, selfish and lust
filled ways. The whole point of Christ, His one mission was to deliver us from
this very reality and bring us into His light.

So behaviour after being born again is the whole point of the exercise and
salvation. It is the essence of our walk, our relationship, our passion, our
reality.

Reading the words in the world of the lost, arriving in the Kingdom seems
to be everything. But it is about arriving and walking, being, dwelling, abiding,
letting Christ work through us and with us. If it was just about arriving then
just being and accepting would make some sense, if everything is promised like
winning the lottery. But this is about life, and living the full dimensions of existance,
from joy to great sorrow.

Really? Absurd ideas?

Read Ariel82 post about what works are.

She has posted many verses that back up some of your quote but you reject it as absurd.

Why on earth? Did you actually read her post?

 

[PeterJens]

Being totally honest, dc talks about vitriol, hatred, false accusations etc.

But what I am sharing is nothing about his faith or position, but just what it means
to walk with Christ and why we are saved.

All his projections are his own, and nothing to do with me. I cannot even engage
with nut cases, because there is no rationalising with them.

If you meet a psychopath you do not go up to them and tell them how badly others
feel about their behaviour, because they do not care and have no empathy. You just
isolate them, and put them in prison, to keep their insanity and abuse from effecting
others. I cannot even feel hurt, because when you are rejoicing in God it is meaningless
to be told you do not know God and need to gain fellowship with the living God.

It made me laugh when a hard hearted brutal man told me I did not know love, and the love
I had was fake, worldly love and not Christs love. It is like meeting a nutcase from a mental
hospital who cannot read another person, understand their experience and then adjust their
message. Engagement is pointless, because they are so cut off their only goal is destruction
and telling you their mantra.

So if you know Jesus and His cross Amen, I love you brother or sister. Let us have fellowship
and grow in the ways of the Lord. To the rest, God bless you, do not know how I can help you,
I hope you have a good day, goodbye.

 

[Ariel82]

Really? Absurd ideas?

Read Ariel82 post about what works are.

She has posted many verses that back up some of your quote but you reject it as absurd.

Why on earth? Did you actually read her post?

It's Peter humor, takes a while to get used to.

He means the concepts are absurd to the world, but he actually believes them to be true.

Just read your signature...it's awesome! Lol.

"Lord

Help me to be the person my dog thinks I am."

Amen!

 

[Ariel82]

Let me help you Peter.

You can help them by.........

Wait for it......


Are you ready???


NOT CALLING THEM A NUTCASE!

Then maybe clarifying what you mean instead of getting offended when folks don't understand what you are saying.

 

[PeterJens]

I think can see what you are trying to say.

That salvation is not just the destination but the journey of life towards God.

If that is the concept you are trying to convey, then I agree. It echos with what I posted previously about how salvation is about how God saves us NOW and not just a future promise of eternity with Him.

Ariel - I know this is your belief. You do not believe the guys you are trying to engage
with are just dedicated to their own belief system. You do not seem to get that they are
set immovable with their whole life in the church which will now not change and they
know all the arguments, or think they do.

These guys are so insecure in Christs love, they want security where there is none, and
dare not look inside themselves. There whole slander against me is belief based and not
on actual sin or behaviour. They have not changed their drivel for so long, I find it now
irrelevant. Sometimes you have to spend a long time being soaked in ideas and it dawns
finally what matters and what is just a distraction. They want acceptance with no cost,
no giving their lives in exchange for a new life, they want what they already have got,
with eternal life.

In baptism we die to our old self and rise to new life in Christ. Daily we put to death
the old self and walk in the life Christ has given us. But this language is missing, or sorrow,
or pain for sin, or sadness for the fallen state of man and the terrible situations many live in
daily with broken hearts and broken lives.

 

[Grace777x70]

Help me to be the person my dog thinks I am."

Amen!

The dog remark made me think of the definition of unconditional love in action. Take your dog and your husband and lock them in the garage for all day.

When you open the door - you will see the one that loves you "unconditionally". Which one is really happy and full of joy to see you because they love you just for yourself?

 

[Ariel82]

Dcon, can you do me a favor and set the record straight?

PeterJens claims to be talking for you in another thread:

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Ariel you have changed nothing in g7, eg, dc, just compromised your own standing, and
they just regard you as a hypocrite. These guys will always say nice things about people
who help their agenda rather than walk as a light in the darkness.

Hmmm I might have been mistaken but I thought all three of you thought I was a sister in Christ.

I know I annoy EG some days, but I don't recall him, you or G777 calling me a hypocrite.

I hate when people lie about what other people think and it kind of hurts my feelings.

 

[BillG]

Being totally honest, dc talks about vitriol, hatred, false accusations etc.

But what I am sharing is nothing about his faith or position, but just what it means
to walk with Christ and why we are saved.

All his projections are his own, and nothing to do with me. I cannot even engage
with nut cases, because there is no rationalising with them.

If you meet a psychopath you do not go up to them and tell them how badly others
feel about their behaviour, because they do not care and have no empathy. You just
isolate them, and put them in prison, to keep their insanity and abuse from effecting
others. I cannot even feel hurt, because when you are rejoicing in God it is meaningless
to be told you do not know God and need to gain fellowship with the living God.

It made me laugh when a hard hearted brutal man told me I did not know love, and the love
I had was fake, worldly love and not Christs love. It is like meeting a nutcase from a mental
hospital who cannot read another person, understand their experience and then adjust their
message. Engagement is pointless, because they are so cut off their only goal is destruction
and telling you their mantra.

So if you know Jesus and His cross Amen, I love you brother or sister. Let us have fellowship
and grow in the ways of the Lord. To the rest, God bless you, do not know how I can help you,
I hope you have a good day, goodbye.

Mate my post wasn't to give you an opportunity to go at Dc. You talk about vitriol, hatred and false accusations.

Take your focus off the issues you have with him and take it off topic. Maybe you and he could discuss it via PM.

I would just to say though that from my viewpoint you mention Vitriol, hatred, false accusations etc.

Do you not realise that saying "That's absurd" comes accross in the same way that they accuse Dc as being.

You also use the word nutcase, is that loving?

 

[Grace777x70]

Dcon, can you do me a favor and set the record straight?

PeterJens claims to be talking for you in another thread:

.

Hmmm I might have been mistaken but I thought all three of you thought I was a sister in Christ.

I know I annoy EG some days, but I don't recall him, you or G777 calling me a hypocrite.

I hate when people lie about what other people think and it kind of hurts my feelings.

Of course you haven't been called a hypocrite that I have seen. You have a heart for the brethren to dwell together in unity without calling other's names even if they don't agree on a subject.

The sky is still blue....

 

[BillG]

Let me help you Peter.

You can help them by.........

Wait for it......


Are you ready???


NOT CALLING THEM A NUTCASE!

Then maybe clarifying what you mean instead of getting offended when folks don't understand what you are saying.

You nicked my post before I posted it. Shame on you