Not By Works
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and you miss His love this way. Bitterness is a result of law Ralph. For that is still what you labor under. The kingdom of God is given to us on the inside. And He works in us from the inside out, not the other way around.
We go through hardships and trials only only because of our testimony of Jesus, for the enemy hates Him. It's not so much us, but wants to destroy Jesus in us. And uses people and law.
The joy,of the Lord will keep us in any problem, when our center has been full of seeing Him as He is. And that takes intimacy with Holy Spirit. He alone is our freedom. And time is not an issue with God. He's patient with us more than we are with others.
We go through hardships and trials only only because of our testimony of Jesus, for the enemy hates Him. It's not so much us, but wants to destroy Jesus in us. And uses people and law.
The joy,of the Lord will keep us in any problem, when our center has been full of seeing Him as He is. And that takes intimacy with Holy Spirit. He alone is our freedom. And time is not an issue with God. He's patient with us more than we are with others.
Bringing us closer every day, i believe it is the same intimacy the Lord provides in a schoolmaster while being cleansed through the Holy Spirit in that the Counselor will always remind you of our Lord and Savior.
Something that saul(paul) spoke of as the letter of the law kills.
Today i was given into a though of this while leaning on the Lord in the spirit of understanding.
While peering at the letter a person is closely examining a part of something that they just cant quite make out with their eyes.
Till someone comes along and ask them.
"Why are you looking from there.
"Step back for a moment so that you can see the whole picture.
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It is hard to figure out. The op says “Not by works” and if you read the first post.
Well here, Lets look at that first. Not just take my word for it (in case I would be accused of lying)
And although that post got 52 likes. It seems it has also garnered enough hates that we now are on page 2656 and on post number 53114 (if no one posts between you and I) and people are still saying the op is about works in general NOT works for salvation.
even though the op specifically says, this post is about works which people ar doing to EARN salvation. Not works of sanctification or christian growth.
Well here, Lets look at that first. Not just take my word for it (in case I would be accused of lying)
And although that post got 52 likes. It seems it has also garnered enough hates that we now are on page 2656 and on post number 53114 (if no one posts between you and I) and people are still saying the op is about works in general NOT works for salvation.
even though the op specifically says, this post is about works which people ar doing to EARN salvation. Not works of sanctification or christian growth.
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An Atheist dresses up as a clown and goes to the Children's cancer hospital to cheer up kids going through Chemo therapy.
A youth pastor dresses up as a clown and goes to the Children's cancer hospital to cheer up kids going through Chemo therapy.
A believer, visiting his child with cancer helps his sick child encourage the other kids and their families. they both also pray for other kids and their families if they want a prayer. When things get tough and sad for others they shade those going through the hard time with their own shield of faith. At home the Believe continues praying for all those kids and families. WHen his child dies from cancer, he goes back to the cancer ward and shares how at peace his child and their friend was with their death and he shares the peace that passes understanding.
At Judgment the Atheist will come to Jesus and say, I spent 5 years dressing as clown. I cheered up kids with cancer. I made them laugh. I saved some of them. I was thanked. I.....
At Judgment the Youth Pastor will come to Jesus and say, I spent 5 years dressing as clown. I cheered up kids with cancer. I made them laugh. I saved some of them. I was thanked. I....
At Judgment the believer will join his child and Jesus will say, I was sick and you came and saw me, enter in my good and faithful servant.
To the world and the church they all did a good work. The differentiation then becomes what was the motive for doing the good work and who it brought glory and honor to.
A unbelievers and a religious workers motivation for doing good in the world is not remotely even close to what motivates a believer to do good works.
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I love this, if I may I would change on thing, Not that it makes what you said any btetter, I am just thinking out load.
the believer will join his child. And when Jesus asks why he should be let in, The believer says I can not offer a reason. I am guilty as charged, I deserve judgment, all I have is the hope you offered me of eternal life.So I am at your mercy.
Setting LLH aside here are my thoughts. Thoughts that I have posted before LLH started posting.
If a person has a belief that they walk in, then to them it's true.
Case being this thread.
How many of us had the belief that works save us?
How many of us had the belief that we must be sinless in order to be saved?
How many of us had the belief that we must work hard and be sinless in order to be loved by God?
If that was true of any of us what happened?
Notice I said "that was"
We had beliefs that were true but no longer are.
Now what was thought to be truth has been revealed as a lie.
Now that lie had been replaced with the truth.
Works do not save.
We stumble.
We seek God.
He loves us, on account of him and his nature.
As I said, lies revealed, truth then repaces lies.
That is why we must stand for the truth and bang on about it.
If people have been lied to then we must walk with them.
At some point it will become evident they have no desire to learn (side note they will say the same)
Then a call needs to be made as to whether we stop engaging or carry on.
If a person has a belief that they walk in, then to them it's true.
Case being this thread.
How many of us had the belief that works save us?
How many of us had the belief that we must be sinless in order to be saved?
How many of us had the belief that we must work hard and be sinless in order to be loved by God?
If that was true of any of us what happened?
Notice I said "that was"
We had beliefs that were true but no longer are.
Now what was thought to be truth has been revealed as a lie.
Now that lie had been replaced with the truth.
Works do not save.
We stumble.
We seek God.
He loves us, on account of him and his nature.
As I said, lies revealed, truth then repaces lies.
That is why we must stand for the truth and bang on about it.
If people have been lied to then we must walk with them.
At some point it will become evident they have no desire to learn (side note they will say the same)
Then a call needs to be made as to whether we stop engaging or carry on.
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Consider this thought about what you added.
Maybe Jesus did not need to hear the believer say all that, because he "knew" the believer and the believer also knew Jesus and knew there is no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus and knew he was worthy to enter in because of the lamb who was slain and only because of the lamb who was slain.
Maybe Jesus did not need to hear the believer say all that, because he "knew" the believer and the believer also knew Jesus and knew there is no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus and knew he was worthy to enter in because of the lamb who was slain and only because of the lamb who was slain.