Not By Works

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NoNameMcgee said:
the reason i continue to post here is because i personally came here pointing my finger

with a sinless perfection doctrined based on my performance

i only had assurance when i though i was walking sinless

to me

salvation was a revolving door i was walking in and out of...


God used this place to make me question my understanding

and through much prayer
begging

crying

study

little by little i was broken

until i submitted to His righteousness

now

ALL the scriptures that bothered me before
things that used to seem to conflct each other

all opened up

and God has blessed me with assurance

its an amazing gift

based on what HES done

HIS works

if i can help even 1 person

ill post here every day for a year against those in error
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Amen and same here....as long as you have people using James out of context, posting that we are not saved until the end when Jesus sees our works, embellishing faith with works to gain, keep, maintain salvation I will post every day.....and on top of that...will do so anyway for all new people to this site....faith plus works for or to keep is false and it is a dogma that does not lead to the kingdom, but rather the plenteous in number that boast of such things as their ticket into the kingdom....we know their destiny.......and the kingdom is not it......
 
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Ralph- said:
What you have posted here is not what is being argued. I can't make you see the argument. I can just post what I do and leave the rest to God to grow it wherever it finds soil to grow in. Few will hear it and take it to heart. That's just the way the truth is. Only a few find it.
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Thank God few hear it and take it to heart........a path that leads to their own demise is exactly what you teach.......not saved until the end when Jesus sees our works.......wow..........talk about the gospel according to Ralph.........Jesus and the bible teaches no such thing....
 
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Chester said:
What does "zero to do with" mean?

One point I would point out from a grammatical perspective is that the phrase "has zero to do with" is very unclear and ambiguous.
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Even though it gets denied, there are those here who claim you can die with no works and it does not matter to whether or not you were really saved. It's called Freegrace, or Hypergrace once saved always saved. It even claims that you do not have to continue to believe to be saved when Jesus comes back. Charles Stanley is probably the best known preacher of this blasphemous doctrine that says you do not have to believe to the very end to be saved when Jesus comes back.

This doctrine is so insidious many Christians don't even realize they are embracing it. I can name names right here in this thread but all they will do is deny it, even when you show them where they are saying it. It's kind of a lost cause for them, but hopefully there are those who are lurking who will be alerted to this end-times deceit destroying the church. That's why I post.
 
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dcontroversal said:
....not saved until the end when Jesus sees our works.......wow..........talk about the gospel according to Ralph.........Jesus and the bible teaches no such thing....
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Case in point, Rosemary. That's not even the argument. And no matter how many times you explain the actual argument to them they respond as if you said nothing. It's the proverbial 'no ears to hear and no eyes to see' right here in this thread.
 
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Case in point, Rosemary. That's not even the argument. And no matter how many times you explain the actual argument to them they respond as if you said nothing. It's the proverbial 'no ears to hear and no eyes to see' right here in this thread.
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To this post and the one above it....your fruit is seen by all.....a false gospel is all you push, and you embellish, lie and deny all that we have said when the rubber meets the road.....the funny thing....by your own dogma you prove your not what you say you are....you have been called on this by at least 10 people....and yet you still do the same thing over and over. HAHAHAHHAHAHHAH You really gonna show us hey...HAHHAHA what a joke
 
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Ralph- said:
Case in point, Rosemary. That's not even the argument. And no matter how many times you explain the actual argument to them they respond as if you said nothing. It's the proverbial 'no ears to hear and no eyes to see' right here in this thread.
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wow ralph.....



just wow
 
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FAITH no works mentioned....

They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."
 
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Faith no works mentioned.....

For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe
 
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Faith no works mentioned....

For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God
 
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Faith no works mentioned....

And He said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace."
 
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Faith no works mentioned.....

That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved
 
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Faith and no works mentioned.....

For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith
 
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Faith no works mentioned...

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
 
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Faith and no works mentioned.....

"He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."
 
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dcontroversal said:
It is not ambiguous at all and is clear....

We are not saved, kept saved or maintain the "saved state" by any work of righteousness which we have done, do or don't do.....

Salvation is an UNEARNED position based upon faith, grace and the GIFT of GOD

This thread is and has always been about how salvation is acquired by men......the bible is clear....

By the sole act of BELIEF into the work of Christ and confession of said belief.

ANY work, fruit, that may come in a believers life is the DIRECT result of the FAITH and SALVATION one already possesses in CHRIST

The fact that you say what you say above points to the fact that you EMBELLISH faith with your own works to gain or keep (cannot be lost nor kept) by your own merit and not the merit, faith, work and gift of Christ.......
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Here is your accusation: "The fact that you say what you say above points to the fact that you EMBELLISH faith with your own works to gain or keep (cannot be lost nor kept) by your own merit and not the merit, faith, work and gift of Christ..."

That is quite an accusation you are making - but that is OK - you may say so if you like - that is your right - and if the accusation is true, I am going to hell . . .
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Faith and no works mentioned.....

"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
 
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Chester said:

The fact that you say what you say above points to the fact that you EMBELLISH faith with your own works to gain or keep (cannot be lost nor kept) by your own merit and not the merit, faith, work and gift of Christ...

That is quite an accusation you are making - but that is OK - you may say so if you like - that is your right - and if the accusation is true, I am going to hell . . .
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Accusation.....I read what you wrote.....go back and read your own writing......your words were clear.......

Your words.....

I think that there are more (including myself) who disagree with the statement (conclusion) that "our righteous works have ZERO to do with salvation."
 
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Faith and no works mentioned......

"For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."
 
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Faith and no works mentioned......

But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
 
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