Not By Works

[OneGodBeliever1]

Oh my, another "works saves" person. What makes any human being believe they can do enough "works" to be good enough for God's heaven? Can't do enough works, put on enough works, espouse enough works.

Those who believe through faith and receive are saved by the grace of God and can then go out and do good works because they are filled with the Holy Spirit at salvation and are then equipped to do the work God created them to do.

Not by works alone, faith is more important but works is important too

 

[Shamah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:26, "But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 6:46, “But why do you call Me ‘Master, Master,’ and do not do what I say?”[/FONT]

 

[longtrekker]

Not by works alone, faith is more important but works is important too

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Hi One

Welcome to CC

The essential nature of this particular thread is how salvation is obtained. Salvation only. And u will hear (and i agree) it is by one way and one way only - thru believing on the finished work of Christ. We are saved for good works and not by good works.

 

[joefizz]

DISAGREE

What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son on the altar? faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works; “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”—and he was called a friend of God. Rahab the prostitute justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.
JAMES 2:14-26

Well actually Jesus saves not mere faith or works for apart from Jesus ye would have no freedom from sin nor the law.

 

[beta]

John/Yahanan 14:26, "But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you."


John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”


Luke 6:46, “But why do you call Me ‘Master, Master,’ and do not do what I say?”

Yes, DOING generally involves some action....something christians are fighting against...obviously not read Jas 1v22 'be you DOERS of the word, hearers only are deceiving themselves.

 

[joefizz]

Not by works alone, faith is more important but works is important too

Working with a real mind this time glad to have you here!
Yes works are apart of our walk with Christ,and of course there is but one faith that saves faith in Jesus,works are the embodiment of our receiving the Holy spirit and salvation in today's time,for as is it written of both the wicked and righteous "ye shall know them by their fruits"(what results from their heart and belief/unbelief)

 

[TruthTalk]

Not by works alone, faith is more important but works is important too

Hi One, you are mixing "works" and "salvation", Jesus pay the full price on the cross for our salvation, none of our works contributed to God saving us. But like Longtrekker correctly said, "we are saved for good works and not by good works." Like the song repeats; "Jesus paid it all, all to Him I owe." If you mix Saved by Grace through Faith with "your works", you've fallen from grace.

 

[TruthTalk]

It does not get any plainer..........Our righteous works have ZERO to do with Salvation!

English Standard Version
he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

DISAGREE

What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son on the altar? faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works; “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”—and he was called a friend of God. Rahab the prostitute justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.
JAMES 2:14-26

Hi One, concerning James 2:14-26. A real Christian, "will have works", but they do not save you. The guy in James with "No Works and a dead faith, "was not saved." Also you need to interpret James 2:14-26, with the entirety of the "whole bible." We are saved "unto good works" , we are not saved,
"by our good works"

You are trying to add you "good works" to "your salvation", as if saying Jesus dying on the cross for your sins wasn't good enough. Stop mixing your works with what Jesus did for you and you'll be just fine, not difficult to do....

 

[Studyman]

Hi One, you are mixing "works" and "salvation", Jesus pay the full price on the cross for our salvation, none of our works contributed to God saving us. But like Longtrekker correctly said, "we are saved for good works and not by good works." Like the song repeats; "Jesus paid it all, all to Him I owe." If you mix Saved by Grace through Faith with "your works", you've fallen from grace.

Eph. 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of (mans) works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God (The Word which became flesh) hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

We are created unto "works", not our works, like ancient religious traditions of man, but by the Work's Jesus, the Word which became Flesh, created beforehand for "our good" to walk in, as it is written.


Jer. 6:16 Thus saith the LORD(Word which became Flesh), Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls.

and again:

Matt. 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me;(The Word which became Flesh) for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Jer. 6:16 "But they said, We will not walk therein."

As it is to this day.

 

[VCO]

Not by works alone, faith is more important but works is important too

CORRECTION:

Titus 3:5-7 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] He saved us— not by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] He poured out this ⌊Spirit⌋ on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] so that having been justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.


LOVE, can be correctly identified as a measurement of LOVE, but NEVER CAN IT BE A MEASUREMENT OF SALVATION, which is the FREE GIFT of SALVATION.


Romans 6:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

John 14:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “If you love Me, you will keep My commands.


You are trying to compare Apples to Oranges.


APPLES are How GOD LOVED US.

Oranges are How we can LOVE GOD BACK, after we are SAVED.

 

[TruthTalk]

It does not get any plainer..........Our righteous works have ZERO to do with Salvation!

English Standard Version: Titus3:5
he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

DISAGREE

What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son on the altar? faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works; “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”—and he was called a friend of God. Rahab the prostitute justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.
JAMES 2:14-26

Hi again One, God prepared works for us beforehand, "so that we would walk in them", Don't mix "works" and salvation, easy.

Made alive in Christ: Ephesians2:8-10

8) For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
9) not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
10) For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

 

[Incognito]

I posted this before and you ignored it. So I'm gonna post it again.

"Well, if you can heal why aren't you clearing out the hospitals? Why aren't you going to the graveyards and raising the dead? Why aren't you controlling the weather and stopping hurricanes and tornadoes? Read John 14:12 and tell me why you aren't doing these things."


Go ahead, I'll wait.

Everyone doesn't have ALL the "Spiritual gifts!"

Never tried to "stop weather" bu GOD showed me EXACTLY where my cancer was in the clouds on X-RAY before I arrived at hospital!

Their FAITH is what makes them whole.

JESUS could do little in HIS hometown and with your attitude, you will never see either.

 

[UnderGrace]

So then why are you unsure about your spiritual status?

There is a disconnect it seems.

Everyone doesn't have ALL the "Spiritual gifts!"

Never tried to "stop weather" bu GOD showed me EXACTLY where my cancer was in the clouds on X-RAY before I arrived at hospital!

Their FAITH is what makes them whole.

JESUS could do little in HIS hometown and with your attitude, you will never see either.

 

[Incognito]

Hi One, concerning James 2:14-26. A real Christian, "will have works", but they do not save you. The guy in James with "No Works and a dead faith, "was not saved." Also you need to interpret James 2:14-26, with the entirety of the "whole bible." We are saved "unto good works" , we are not saved,
"by our good works"

You are trying to add you "good works" to "your salvation", as if saying Jesus dying on the cross for your sins wasn't good enough. Stop mixing your works with what Jesus did for you and you'll be just fine, not difficult to do....

You all are MISINTERPRETING James!

GOD is *IN* us and HE "PRODUCES THE ACTION" from us.

FIRST Abraham "HEARD" A WORD FROM GOD as we "HEAR" from GOD when HE tells us to "Give to that needy man" although it's not YOUR policy to give to a wine O but Something keeps telling you to "GIVE!" When that THOUGHT is so CONVICTING, you "GIVE" or get up and go like Abraham did. Your WORKS were then PRODUCED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT!

See? You then have "FAITH" that THAT VOICE was from the Holy Spirit so you "WORK" by "Giving to that needy man!"

Abraham "HEARD" from GOD then HE had "FAITH" that "GOD WOULD PROVIDE." He remembered GOD told him that his seed would be like the grains of sand and without ISSAC that wouldn't happen. So he BELIEVED GOD when HE SAID "his seed would be like the grains of sand" and had FAITH that GOD DIDN'T LIE and took Issac (HIS WORKS WERE PRODUCED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT) to offer him as a sacrifice but had so much FAITH that he told Sarah, "We'll be back!"

Now that's the way we are SUPPOSED to have "FAITH!" We "HEAR" from GOD [and that PRODUCES THE ACTION or "WORKS"] then we REMEMBER what the WORD OF GOD SAYS (Romans 10:17) like Abraham REMEMBERED what GOD SAID and we BELIEVE THE WORD so INTENSELY and DO WHAT the HOLY SPIRIT TOLD US TO DO; (making our ACTIONS or WORKS HOLY SPIRIT PRODUCED) that it's manifested like the "ram in the bush" was manifested for Abraham and he didn't have kill Issac!

In other words, we have to "HEAR" from GOD FIRST so the ACTIONS or "WORKS" are "HOLY SPIRIT PRODUCED!"

It's EASY when you "HEAR FROM GOD" to take ACTION or "WORK" because your mind is like Christ's; it ALWAYS "remembers what JESUS SAID" (Romans 10:17) and CONVICTS you if you DISOBEY! You THINK you have a "GUILTY CONSCIENCE" without having the EVIDENCE that GOD is in you, wait until HE is REALLY in you, you'll feel like "A DOG" for not OBEYING! That's the TRUTH! lol

"What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man SAY he hath FAITH, and have not works?"

If one just SAYS he has FAITH and GOD doesn't "CONVICT" you after "HEARING" HIS WORD or from "HEARING" from HIM and you've DISOBEYED or didn't "WORK" after the Holy Spirit told you to do something but don't have a guilty; you don't have FAITH in GOD but self.

"...can [that kind of] faith save him?"

With the mind of Christ, the next two verses are AUTOMATIC or GOD will CONVICT you with that worse than "guilty conscience!"

"If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those thing which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?"

THIS ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN UNLESS YOU DON'T WANT TO SLEEP ALL NIGHT!

"Even so FAITH, if it has not WORKS, is DEAD, being alone."

"Faith" that wasn't PRODUCED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT [Which is a "Spiritual gift" AFTER being "baptized into that One Spirit; I Corinthians 12:9; 13; READ IT!) doesn't have "WORKS PRODUCED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT" and is therefore "DEAD" because "There is NOTHING done in the flesh that pleases GOD" (Romans 8:8)!

"Yea, a man may SAY, *I* have faith, and *I* have works: [but] show me your faith without your works [that were NOT PRODUCED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT] and I will show you my faith by my works" [that were NOT PRODUCED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT also].

"Thou believest that there is ONE GOD, thou doest well: the devils believeth also, and tremble."

When YOU "DO" it's self "working" and NOT the "WORKS" that have been PRODUCED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT although you say "I BELIEVE THERE IS ONE GOD, and you do well, but the devils do too and tremble. In other words, you're just giving "LIP SERVICE" if your "WORKS" were NOT HOLY SPIRIT PRODUCED!

"But wilt thou know, O "VAIN" man [DOING GOOD TO GET GOOD with YOUR actions rather than WORKS that are PRODUCED by the Holy Spirit] that FAITH without "WORKS" [PRODUCED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT] is DEAD" because "There is NOTHING that a man can DO in the flesh [WITHOUT BEING PRODUCED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT] can please GOD" (Romans 8:8).

"Was not Abraham our father justified by WORKS [AFTER HE "HEARD FROM GOD" (aka HOLY SPIRIT; WHO PRODUCED HIS ACTIONS or WORKS by COMMANDING him to offer Issac) when he had offered Issac upon the altar."

"Seest thou how faith wrought his works, and by works was faith made perfect?"

After "HEARING A WORD FROM GOD" the HOLY SPIRIT PRODUCED Abraham's "WORKS" and because HE OBEYED and "WORKED" or did what GOD told him to do, AFTER THE HOLY SPIRIT COMMANDED him; his "FAITH was made perfect."

THE NEXT VERSE (v23) IS "SELF EXPLANATORY"

"Ye see then how that by WORKS [THAT ARE PRODUCED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT *AFTER* WE HEAR A WORD FROM GOD] a man is JUSTIFIED [AFTER OBEYING WHAT YOU'VE HEARD FROM GOD] and not by faith only" [WHEN YOU HAVEN'T "HEARD A WORD FROM GOD"].

"Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot JUSTIFIED by WORKS [She HEARD A WORD FROM GOD and OBEYED], when she received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?"

"For as the body without "THE SPIRIT" (I Corinthians 15:44) is DEAD, so FAITH without WORKS [PRODUCED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT] IS DEAD ALSO."

THIS IS LOOKING AT SCRIPTURE "IN THE SPIRIT" as GOD utters (I Corinthians 2:10-16)!

Blessings

 

[Incognito]

So then why are you unsure about your spiritual status?

There is a disconnect it seems.

"Spiritual status?"

Are you talking about "belonging to an organization?"

I've TOLD you "ALL CHRISTIAN ORGANIZATIONS ARE ONLY "SHOOT OFFS" FROM THE RCC WHO ARE "LIARS" AND HAVE ENTWINED "LIES" INTO SCRIPTURE TO "DECEIVE" YOU GUYS!"

 

[dcontroversal]

Need to LISTEN to what JESUS SAID (Mark 16:16-20; I Corinthians 12:7-10; 13; Acts 1:5; 8) *IF* you want to continue to GROW (II Corinthians 3:18)!

Maybe take your own advice and ACTUALLY START listening to Jesus instead of your religion........!

 

[dcontroversal]

It has in YOUR religion (Matthew 5:8)!

Try again....Jesus set me free from any and all religion....and thank God I am not immersed in your cafe blend false dogmas......!

 

[dcontroversal]

Take it from a guy that got kicked out of his mother's house because his mother blamed him for her boyfriend leaving out the door and her mind snapping in a fit of trying to "cope".

God is a Father to the fatherless....Mine was killed when I was three!

 

[dcontroversal]

You should see the "Spiritual gifts" of "wisdom and knowledge" HE'S given me IN HIS WORD if nothing else (I Corinthians 12:8)!

Hahhahhahahahahaahhaahahaahhahahhahahah wow! People who boast like this....rarely have anything from the Lord!

 

[dcontroversal]

"...good luck trying to get in because of "UNBELIEF" (Hebrews 3:19)!

NOW THAT'S WORSE!

Unbelief....you must not be able to read or understand definitions....serious! I have believed and am FULLY PURSUADED THAT HE WILL COMPLETE THE GOOD WORK OF FAITH HE BEGAN IN ME! You on the other hand..............