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The key word here is deceive.
Keeping away from the truth, that is Jesus.

If satan leads me away because of my sins, does that mean I'm on my own to find my way back to God?

No, because the truth is Jesus, who is always leading me to God through His Holy Spirit that is in me.
Can satan unseal the Holy Spirit?

He cannot, that's why he's left to deceive people.
He roars but has no fangs.
I agree with everything but the last line...Satan is one mean old lion that has very big sharp fangs.
 
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Preaching the love and true super abundant grace of God in Christ's work on the cross no more leads people to antinomianism and sinning then loving your spouse leads you to Ashely Madison.
Amen to that.....most workers for will say we are anti law when in reality what we preach is the simple truth that the condemnation of the law has been nailed to the cross in Jesus and the righteouness of the law in the blood of Christ has been applied unto all who have exercised genuine faith......
 
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Immature Christians look like the world and behave like it.

Mature Christians display what it looks like walking with the Holy Spirit: they have good works and good fruit and are meek, humble and speak truth without taking offense at the immaturity of young Christians. They kindly correct and are long suffering.

.unfortunately the world lacks truly mature Christians who consistently display God's love, peace, truth and gentleness.

I recognise that I am still learning to discern good from bad
I agree to some extent, but will say...in all honesty we all have areas where we are mature and strong in our stance for Christ and then the flip side we all have been dealt "thorns in the flesh" that keep us from being exhalted above measure.......even the most mature had moments....remember Jesus....if it be possible let this cup pass from me....John the Baptist....while in prison...is this the one, Peter.....I don't know who the h--- he is......etc......The spirit is indeed willing, bit the flesh is weak.....
 
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God chastens His children with His word.

If we want to see how God disciplines - look to Jesus and see how He disciplined the disciples.

Jesus came to do the will of the Father and to reveal the Father's true nature to us. Jesus is perfect theology.
David and the sword in his house all his days, and the obvious physical ailments mentioned in the Psalms?

The Corinthian brother cut lose for the destruction of the flesh?

The words of Jesus concerning all perishing in like manner if they did not repent?

The Corinthian brothers and sister who "fell asleep" for their corruption concerning the Lord's supper?
 
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Preaching about Jesus as the root should be done. Preaching how the root will produce fruit is good. Preaching how folks are joined together as the Body of Christ is also good.

Preaching half the gospel, is a lie which ever half you choose to preach. One half leads to lictenious, the other leads to works salvation. Both are false.

We should preach the WHOLE gospel...not only,that Jesus died on the cross for our sins but also that he rose again and sent His Holy spirit to teach us how to live godly lives,
Yes, He has given us everything we need for life and godliness. He died for forgiveness of sins and rose to give us the Holy Spirit and life everlasting. That IS the good news. Well said!
 
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I agree to some extent, but will say...in all honesty we all have areas where we are mature and strong in our stance for Christ and then the flip side we all have been dealt "thorns in the flesh" that keep us from being exhalted above measure.......even the most mature had moments....remember Jesus....if it be possible let this cup pass from me....John the Baptist....while in prison...is this the one, Peter.....I don't know who the h--- he is......etc......The spirit is indeed willing, bit the flesh is weak.....
I believe one of the signs of maturity is admiring how much you still need Jesus and His cleansing blood daily. Knowing we are imperfect but that God can still us.

Sometimes in our weakness He is makes us strong and we recognize how it's His power good is accomplished not ours.
 
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The key word here is deceive.
Keeping away from the truth, that is Jesus.

If satan leads me away because of my sins, does that mean I'm on my own to find my way back to God?

No, because the truth is Jesus, who is always leading me to God through His Holy Spirit that is in me.
Can satan unseal the Holy Spirit?

He cannot, that's why he's left to deceive people.
He roars but has no fangs.
Peter said he walks around seeking whom he may devour.....just saying...he cannot have your eternally sealed spirit, but if allowed he can ruin your testimony and life.....
 
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Amen to that.....most workers for will say we are anti law when in reality what we preach is the simple truth that the condemnation of the law has been nailed to the cross in Jesus and the righteouness of the law in the blood of Christ has been applied unto all who have exercised genuine faith......
Yes. Amen. It's almost like folks believe we stop at salvation, but salvation is only the beginning. The new life in Christ then begins!!
 
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This in brown above is exactly what I have been hearing from all those 1,000 messages on the grace of God that is in the gospel message of Christ's finished work on the cross.
Identified as the whole council of God.....the "meat and potatoes" as well as the milk........
 
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Amen to that.....most workers for will say we are anti law when in reality what we preach is the simple truth that the condemnation of the law has been nailed to the cross in Jesus and the righteouness of the law in the blood of Christ has been applied unto all who have exercised genuine faith......
This does not actually answer the question, or rather it maybe confirms it.
This is a lawless gospel because the law and its power is nailed to the cross.

Paul says this
having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross.
col 2:14
So what was nailed to the cross was ones past legal indebtedness which has now
been taken away. The law still condemns if sin is commited, it is just past missdeeds
are forgiven and cleansed.

This is a long way from saying sin is ok and a further debt is not created by sinful
behaviour. It is clear from scripture David was cleansed of sin, yet he still sinned
with Bathsheba, but when challenged confessed and repented.

Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. 6 Because of these, the wrath of God is coming. 7 You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. 8 But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips. 9 Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices 10 and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.
Col 3:5-10

This is very much obedience to the law of Christ, specifying what is acceptable
behaviour and what is not. This is very odd is all law or measures or goals are
now removed.
 
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I agree to some extent, but will say...in all honesty we all have areas where we are mature and strong in our stance for Christ and then the flip side we all have been dealt "thorns in the flesh" that keep us from being exhalted above measure.......even the most mature had moments....remember Jesus....if it be possible let this cup pass from me....John the Baptist....while in prison...is this the one, Peter.....I don't know who the h--- he is......etc......The spirit is indeed willing, bit the flesh is weak.....
I agree with most of your message except the idea that God will give us a thorn in the flesh, that was given to Paul because of the great personal revelations that he had been given by God. I don't think any of us qualify for a thorn in the flesh. Hey, I know I don't and I have had a few supernatural spiritual experiences.
 
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Peter said he walks around seeking whom he may devour.....just saying...he cannot have your eternally sealed spirit, but if allowed he can ruin your testimony and life.....
Yep He loves to paralyze believers, they then become ineffective.
 
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Well friends, my last full day in Australia....gonna miss Stralia.....a 15 hour flight to Dallas tomorrow and a 2 hour flight to St. Louis......awesome 26 days down under!!
 
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Yes. Amen. It's almost like folks believe we stop at salvation, but salvation is only the beginning. The new life in Christ then begins!!
Well said....religion makes righteousness the end goal by what they do or don't do to achieve righteousness but the gospel of the grace of Christ makes righteousness the starting place to walk in Christ. Christ is our righteousness.

We need to "awake" to this truth and the things of the flesh will lose their power to dominate us.
 
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I agree with most of your message except the idea that God will give us a thorn in the flesh, that was given to Paul because of the great personal revelations that he had been given by God. I don't think any of us qualify for a thorn in the flesh. Hey, I know I don't and I have had a few supernatural spiritual experiences.
Thats ok.....Paul seems to make it universal...we all have our failures that keep us humbled...and that is the truth!
 
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Well friends, my last full day in Australia....gonna miss Stralia.....a 15 hour flight to Dallas tomorrow and a 2 hour flight to St. Louis......awesome 26 days down under!!
Did you get any more fishing in? Safe trip back tomorrow.
 
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This does not actually answer the question, or rather it maybe confirms it.
This is a lawless gospel because the law and its power is nailed to the cross.

Paul says this
having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross.
col 2:14
So what was nailed to the cross was ones past legal indebtedness which has now
been taken away. The law still condemns if sin is commited, it is just past missdeeds
are forgiven and cleansed.

This is a long way from saying sin is ok and a further debt is not created by sinful
behaviour. It is clear from scripture David was cleansed of sin, yet he still sinned
with Bathsheba, but when challenged confessed and repented.

Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. 6 Because of these, the wrath of God is coming. 7 You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. 8 But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips. 9 Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices 10 and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.
Col 3:5-10

This is very much obedience to the law of Christ, specifying what is acceptable
behaviour and what is not. This is very odd is all law or measures or goals are
now removed.


See..you still miss the mark....the law CONDEMNS NO ONE WHO IS IN CHRIST....God's grace outbounds the SIN of all true believers....this is where your working for false gospel leads you astray....When Jesus said it is finished....that equals paid in full....every genuine believer's entire SIN DEBT HAS BEEN PAID IN FULL....THE BLOOD AND RIGHTEOUSNESS of CHRIST applied and imputed.....fail to believe this = no genuine faith into the completed work of CHRIST.....END OF STORY!
 
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Did you get any more fishing in? Safe trip back tomorrow.
Yeah a little....hahaha been eating like a bush pig hahhahaha Australian food rocks.....went to an all you can eat Brazilian steak house last night in Darling Harbor...gained a kilo probably hahaahha
 
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Yeah a little....hahaha been eating like a bush pig hahhahaha Australian food rocks.....went to an all you can eat Brazilian steak house last night in Darling Harbor...gained a kilo probably hahaahha
LOL...on my "refeed day" - the next day I can weight up to 5 lbs heavier then the day before. Most of it is just water. For every gram of carb - the body uses 3 grams of water to store with it. This 5 lbs leaves in about 2 days of normal eating.

But praise the Lord for "refeed day".