Not By Works
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Ooh ooh I know this one.
please miss please miss can I answer the question?
It was Jesus who saved him.
Peter was a wreck after he denied him.
Then after Jesus rose again he sought Peter out.
He asked Peter 3 times (I wonder if that corresponds with 3 denials) do you love me?
The 1st 2 times Jesus asked do you Agape me and Peter responded I Phileo you.
The 3rd time Jesus asked do you Phileo me then Peter got upset and said you know I Phileo you.
Peter at that time didn't have the resource within himself to love Jesus unconditionally.
But Jesus still said "Feed my sheep"
It seems to me that even though Peter let Jesus down big time Jesus knew his heart even if it was limited at the time.
We then see Peter grow from Phileo to Agape.
Peter knew that Jesus saved him and loved him where was at, and then went to do good works because Jesus asked him to.
So Jesus knew Peters heart asked him to stuff because he lived him and knew him
please miss please miss can I answer the question?
It was Jesus who saved him.
Peter was a wreck after he denied him.
Then after Jesus rose again he sought Peter out.
He asked Peter 3 times (I wonder if that corresponds with 3 denials) do you love me?
The 1st 2 times Jesus asked do you Agape me and Peter responded I Phileo you.
The 3rd time Jesus asked do you Phileo me then Peter got upset and said you know I Phileo you.
Peter at that time didn't have the resource within himself to love Jesus unconditionally.
But Jesus still said "Feed my sheep"
It seems to me that even though Peter let Jesus down big time Jesus knew his heart even if it was limited at the time.
We then see Peter grow from Phileo to Agape.
Peter knew that Jesus saved him and loved him where was at, and then went to do good works because Jesus asked him to.
So Jesus knew Peters heart asked him to stuff because he lived him and knew him
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That is what the Scripture says.
There are many who consider themselves Christians that are not saved, but any one who is deceived into thinking he needs to add works to be saved, Paul makes clear is severed from Christ, but you're right only God knows the true heart of man which is wicked. Either we have all our faith in Jesus or we don't.
Yes, but those people weren't putting their faith in their works to be saved; otherwise, they would be very disappointed. This is Satan's doing to turn souls away from Christ
There are many who consider themselves Christians that are not saved, but any one who is deceived into thinking he needs to add works to be saved, Paul makes clear is severed from Christ, but you're right only God knows the true heart of man which is wicked. Either we have all our faith in Jesus or we don't.
Yes, but those people weren't putting their faith in their works to be saved; otherwise, they would be very disappointed. This is Satan's doing to turn souls away from Christ
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I tell you the truth at one point in my life a hung on to that.
My view of God was so distorted, as a result of a shocking upbringing and then being told by Christians some really stupid stuff.
I will name a few, I don't pray tongues therefore evidence I'm not saved, if I miss one sin in confession I'm going to hell, I smoke and therefore going to hell and will smell like it on the way.
I genuinely believe in Jesus, son of God who died and rose again for me. I have placed my faith in Jesus and want to be like him.
He is perfect and I am not.
So to me God himself was a schizophrenic. One day I'm saved the next I'm not. If he called time when I was having a smoke or just swore was I in heaven or hell? Was he having a good day or bad day?
Believe you me there are an awful lot of people who hope to escape through the flames.
That doesn't bring freedom only bondage but it should bring freedom which only comes through Jesus.
Free in the power of the Holy Spirit in us to become more like Jesus.
My view of God was so distorted, as a result of a shocking upbringing and then being told by Christians some really stupid stuff.
I will name a few, I don't pray tongues therefore evidence I'm not saved, if I miss one sin in confession I'm going to hell, I smoke and therefore going to hell and will smell like it on the way.
I genuinely believe in Jesus, son of God who died and rose again for me. I have placed my faith in Jesus and want to be like him.
He is perfect and I am not.
So to me God himself was a schizophrenic. One day I'm saved the next I'm not. If he called time when I was having a smoke or just swore was I in heaven or hell? Was he having a good day or bad day?
Believe you me there are an awful lot of people who hope to escape through the flames.
That doesn't bring freedom only bondage but it should bring freedom which only comes through Jesus.
Free in the power of the Holy Spirit in us to become more like Jesus.
So getting up and leaving is not doing something!?!?!?? Would Abraham been justified if he did not leave? Leaving was a work of faith....not just obedience.
Gen 22, James 2 and Hebrews 11.16-18 says he was did not become heir of the blessings of the promise until he offered up Issac, then and only then was he given the BLESSING of the promise of the inheritance, he was told about in previous chapters.
God did not know the fear or faith of Abraham in Gen 11-14 when Abram obeyed and left.... not in Chapter 15 when he made the land covenant, or in 17 when he changed his name<<<this is something old becoming something new. Nothing in 18 when he got way ahead of God and slept with Hagar, not in 19, 20 or even 21....
God did not "know" Abraham's faith or fear until CH 22.
Gen 22.12
[SUP]12 [/SUP]He said, “Do not stretch out your hand against the lad, and do nothing to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me.
Gen 22.15-18-The blessing of the promise...
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Then the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven, [SUP]16 [/SUP]and said, “By Myself I have sworn, declares the Lord, because you have done this thing and have not withheld your son, your only son, [SUP]17 [/SUP]indeed I will greatly bless you, and I will greatly multiply your seed as the stars of the heavens and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your seed shall possess the gate of their enemies. [SUP]18 [/SUP]In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.”
There is no doubt Abraham righteousness was imputed by his faith, but he was not full justified in that faith until God had a NOW I KNOW moment with him.
Abraham had to give the Lord ALL and God "worked" with him. You will notice that God's side of the covenant never changed, but Abraham had to work towards meeting the conditions of the covenant for God to now know about his fear and faith.
Then and only then did Abraham become fully justified....
Simply getting up when he called him imputed nothing on him, faith imputed righteousness was only fully imputed when the Lord had the NOW I KNOW moment with him. Then Abraham received the full measure of the blessings of the promise...not before.
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You should wait for the answer to your first question before jumping to you next one.
Scripture doesn't cross the line.
Judging someone else's salvation does.
Discern is important.
My faith is in God and His ability to save...not my understanding of doctrine though I try and grow and be mature in Christ.
Scripture doesn't cross the line.
Judging someone else's salvation does.
Discern is important.
My faith is in God and His ability to save...not my understanding of doctrine though I try and grow and be mature in Christ.
10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, 11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. 12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
13 Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.
Deut 18:10-13
Was saying that was a poor example.
13 Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.
Deut 18:10-13
Was saying that was a poor example.
Man...
From alpha to omega...we were saved, we are being saved, and we will be saved. All the work of Holy Spirit in our life.
Even agape is of Him. We don't have that capacity to love like Him in our own self. For self is struck by light...and darkness must flee. Who is the light? not me. It's His filling in me.
From alpha to omega...we were saved, we are being saved, and we will be saved. All the work of Holy Spirit in our life.
Even agape is of Him. We don't have that capacity to love like Him in our own self. For self is struck by light...and darkness must flee. Who is the light? not me. It's His filling in me.