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In regards to Hebrews 10:26, To "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is CONTINUOUS ACTION - A MATTER OF PRACTICE. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows a CONTINUOUS ACTION.

The unrighteous practice sin - (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God - (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9).

In verse 39, the writer of Hebrews sets up the contrast that makes it clear to me that he was referring to unbelievers, not saved people: But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul. Those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul and those who believe to the saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition.
It is obvious a conviction can change. If you hold to a new spirit being brought into life that
cannot die, then of course you will read all the words in the context of fake believers.

The problem is eternal spirit beings are not scriptural but additional to it. Now anything additional
can be justified by hints except if they are core ideas, in which case they are just heresy.

OSAS or ORAR is just a mirage that soon fades as sin continues. If one never sees sin as evil
just a minor failing, the gospel will always be skimming stones. God bless you
 
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Folks should read Leviticus 25 about the year of Jubilee and remember that Jesus is our Redeemer and that is why we ARE FREE! We are sourjourners in a strange land and this world is not our home.
It does call for us to enter into his rest and cease from our own labor......
 
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ehh....... mon you just skipped past v26 like it isnt there.......... yes it speaks of trampling the blood but how does one trample the blood? by wilfully sinning there remains no more sacrifice but fearful judgment verses 26-27 say..............
it is clear if you read it like a regular person.......... the only reason you have to make it say something else is because you say its by grace through faith no works involved like ephesians 2:8 says.......... so you see depending on the side you take OSAS or not OSAS you will have to throw away or reinterpret some other bible verses in a weird and unnatural way and completely twist them to fit your doctrine there............. the same thing has to be done by those who say you can lose your salvation when they face john 6:39-40............ so no matter what side you pick you are going to have to explain away bible verses like crazy lol........... you cant win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By willfully forsaking the assembling together as the manner of SOME IS>....that is how they trample the son of GOD underfoot and count the blood of JESUS a common, ordinary base thing....THAT IS THE CONTEXT....end of story!

AND if SALVATION CAN BE LOST BY ONE SIN all are doomed.....the context PROVES salvation is not LOOSABLE....so....your dogma means nothing......CONTEXT PAL
 

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It is obvious a conviction can change. If you hold to a new spirit being brought into life that
cannot die, then of course you will read all the words in the context of fake believers.

The problem is eternal spirit beings are not scriptural but additional to it. Now anything additional
can be justified by hints except if they are core ideas, in which case they are just heresy.

OSAS or ORAR is just a mirage that soon fades as sin continues. If one never sees sin as evil
just a minor failing, the gospel will always be skimming stones. God bless you
No offense, but I see no point in responding to your psycho babble and straw man arguments. God bless you
 
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By willfully forsaking the assembling together as the manner of SOME IS>....that is how they trample the son of GOD underfoot and count the blood of JESUS a common, ordinary base thing....THAT IS THE CONTEXT....end of story!

AND if SALVATION CAN BE LOST BY ONE SIN all are doomed.....the context PROVES salvation is not LOOSABLE....so....your dogma means nothing......CONTEXT PAL
ok lets go with your context then.............. so forsaking wilfully the assembling together is trampling the son of God underfoot........ well that means there is only fearful judgment waiting for those who dont go to church............. and no more sacrifice remains.................. you see.............. again you jumped over v26. the truth is with ur system of black and white u threw away the black and kept the white so that romans 11 hebrews 10 and book of revelation which say ur name can be wiped away from the book of life (meaning it was there before) are places that you cant touch without making up some weird interpretation or jumping over verses like u did twice............ and what i smell coming is probably some way to end the conversation to further avoid it, this is usually by just calling someone a heretic or works salvation pusher or whatever................ im not pushing works salvation im just trying to overstand all of the bible not just the few verses i like and reinterpret the rest of the bible throgh that lense
 
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ok lets go with your context then.............. so forsaking wilfully the assembling together is trampling the son of God underfoot........ well that means there is only fearful judgment waiting for those who dont go to church............. and no more sacrifice remains.................. you see.............. again you jumped over v26.
No I did not jump over verse 26.....those who willfully forsake the ASSEMBLY are TRAMPLING underfoot the SON of GOD, COUNT THE BLOOD OF JESUS a COMMON ordinary BASE THING and WHAT IS IT THAT COVERS our SINS>......THE BLOOD OF CHRIST...the POINT IS.....THE ONLY thing that a covers sin IS THE BLOOD and if ONE counts the blood of JESUS a COMMON ordinary BASE THING then WHAT CAN COVER and FORGIVE SIN.......NOTHING......and I could just as easily make the same argument that you are VIEWING it through your ROSE colored glasses of the ability to LOSE salvation.....THAT is NOT what is being implied....!
 

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At least you have no answer then. I am reminded this is what happened to Jesus :)

we have plenty of answers, you just do not believe them. you want/ choose to believe you do not sin ( you do, we all do). we tell the truth. you love the sinless lie....
 
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No I did not jump over verse 26.....those who willfully forsake the ASSEMBLY are TRAMPLING underfoot the SON of GOD, COUNT THE BLOOD OF JESUS a COMMON ordinary BASE THING and WHAT IS IT THAT COVERS our SINS>......THE BLOOD OF CHRIST...the POINT IS.....THE ONLY thing that a covers sin IS THE BLOOD and if ONE counts the blood of JESUS a COMMON ordinary BASE THING then WHAT CAN COVER and FORGIVE SIN.......NOTHING......and I could just as easily make the same argument that you are VIEWING it through your ROSE colored glasses of the ability to LOSE salvation.....THAT is NOT what is being implied....!
hebrews 10:26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,

are you saying that word sinning there means not assemblying together?????? or is the sinning there talking about the sin of unbelief????????? where is that in the context, hebrews 10:38 mentions faith and drawing back from faith and the quote in the context is taking from ezekiel 33:13 "When I say to the righteous he will surely live, and he so trusts in his righteousness that he commits iniquity, none of his righteous deeds will be remembered; but in that same iniquity of his which he has committed he will die.
so that context there isnt helping and this is only hebrews 10 we havent even gotten to hebrews 6!!!!! or romans 11 where you can believe, then stop believing and be cut off............ i guess you can try to write those off with they went out from us and were not of us but it says they believed!!!!! it says they tasted the Holy Spirit it says their name was in the book of life and was wiped away............ but it also says elsewhere in the bible that whoever Father gives me i will lose none of them Jesus speaking.......... it also says nothing can separate us from God's love and that we are sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise until the day of redemption................ all im trying to do is fit these impossible things together without throwing away the other half of verses maybe one day i will find the answer....................
 
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Just wondering how people can be arguing this when there is a verse that literally says "not by works by faith alone".
Of all the things to argue and debate, why wouldn't you pick one that is a little more ambiguous?
But, I'm new. What do I know...
 

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Just wondering how people can be arguing this when there is a verse that literally says "not by works by faith alone".
Of all the things to argue and debate, why wouldn't you pick one that is a little more ambiguous?
But, I'm new. What do I know...
Welcome to Christian Chat! "Saved by grace through faith, not works" is crystal clear, yet certain people seem determined to change this into saved through faith and works.
 
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Just wondering how people can be arguing this when there is a verse that literally says "not by works by faith alone".
Of all the things to argue and debate, why wouldn't you pick one that is a little more ambiguous?
But, I'm new. What do I know...
Seems obvious that you know the truth :)
 
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hebrews 10:26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,

are you saying that word sinning there means not assemblying together?????? or is the sinning there talking about the sin of unbelief????????? where is that in the context, hebrews 10:38 mentions faith and drawing back from faith and the quote in the context is taking from ezekiel 33:13 "When I say to the righteous he will surely live, and he so trusts in his righteousness that he commits iniquity, none of his righteous deeds will be remembered; but in that same iniquity of his which he has committed he will die.
so that context there isnt helping and this is only hebrews 10 we havent even gotten to hebrews 6!!!!! or romans 11 where you can believe, then stop believing and be cut off............ i guess you can try to write those off with they went out from us and were not of us but it says they believed!!!!! it says they tasted the Holy Spirit it says their name was in the book of life and was wiped away............ but it also says elsewhere in the bible that whoever Father gives me i will lose none of them Jesus speaking.......... it also says nothing can separate us from God's love and that we are sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise until the day of redemption................ all im trying to do is fit these impossible things together without throwing away the other half of verses maybe one day i will find the answer....................
Look...until you take the whole book and the context of the whole book into account you will continue to miss the bigger picture and what it all means....Hebrew Christians wanting to forsake the New Covenant and go back under the OLD Covenant....the whole book deals with that ISSUE and EVERYTHING must be interpreted in light of that....it is a contradiction between the NEW and BETTER way as opposed to the OLD WAY WHICH cannot forgive SIN and or make the hearer right and or justified in the eyes of GOD.....the book DOES NOT TEACH the loss of SALVATION it teaches that UNDER THE OLD there is NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS and that UNDER THE NEW COVENANT JESUS continually MEDIATES for ALL believers under a NEW and BETTER WAY with a DIFFERENT Priesthood than what was under the OLD.....and until you view the book in that LIGHT you will continue to believe this farce of losing salvation.....

UNDER the NEW covenant....the bible is clear...WHERE SIN ABOUNDS<--GRACE did much more ABOUND....UNDER THE OLD...THERE REMAINS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS and to FORSAKE the NEW WAY is to count the blood of JESUS a common ordinary BASE thing and trample JESUS under your feet.......

I am done arguing with you....take it or leave it....end of story!
 
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DarkRose

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Welcome to Christian Chat! "Saved by grace through faith, not works" is crystal clear, yet certain people seem determined to change this into saved through faith and works.
People ruin everything...lol jk

thanks for the welcome btw :)I think I might like it here
 
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very true,,,,,Jesus said repentance is our first works.....
Repentance is a work of God it is not attributed to men. If we would attribute it to men we have blasphemed the Holy name by which we are called heavenward.There is no work apart from Christ working in us to both will and do His good pleasure we could do to get ourselves saved or keep one self saved .

. Our first works (believing God) is after we hear his voice it turns us toward Him so that we then can believe and repent after the hearing of His faith.

He must do the “first works” as our “first love” of knowing Him who has no form .If he does not first turn us by the hearing of His faith no man could repent and comfort themselves.Again if he does not do the first works of turning us no man could repent

I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the LORD my God.Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth. Jer 31:18

God does all the work of salivation to include the first work of turning us towards him who has no form .

It was because men gave up their first love… “the hearing of God” not seen by having that kind of faith in respect to that seen like Nicole of the Nicolaitanes, the sect that God used as the warning to all the churches to help aid in understanding what the word repent means in respect to first love.

Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy "first love".Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the "first works"; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. Rev 2:5
 
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i havent followed your spat
all i see is this (what you just replied to and your reply)


but i fully expect to see both her and her husband in heaven

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from how it sounds

she didnt call you physically ugly
and said you take dirty shots....

then you replied how you did....
well all i can say its ugly however which way you look at it..

So tell me is it a sin to ask someone if there ugly ? as from there personalised responce to me i would say that its them who are behaving ugly and not me...
 
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This was totally uncalled for.. You owe them an apology, Jim.. you're better than this..
actualy i think youll find they owe me one.. however i doubt youll see that with you self absord personality.. who doesnt want to donate
 
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blue_ladybug

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You assume too much..and that's funny coming from you..who admitted in another post that YOU don't donate..


And how would you know whether I donate or not? You know absolutely nothing about me, sooooo...


actualy i think you find they owe me one.. however i doubt youll see that with you self absord personality.. who doesnt want to donate
 

blue_ladybug

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Also, not bragging but I'm probably one of the least self-absorbed people on here..