Obama The Christian

dcontroversal · Jun 29, 2015

Well I think I will stick with what Jesus said to love, bless, do good, and pray for others, over what another person says when it comes to how to treat others;

Matthew 5:44
But I say unto you,Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

No not convicted at all as I was just pointing out to know the difference between judging and the rebuking/reproving of the brethren we are allowed to do by God's word.

Fruits of the Spirit will be noticeable in a born again believer by how the walk, talk, and treat others verbally and physically.
Lord Jesus is the one who said if these fruits are not produced they will be cut off and burned, not me.....Matthew 7:19, John 15:2

And one piece of fruit is still fruit!!!!!

KennethC · Jun 29, 2015

dcontroversal said:

That is true except for the fact that the bible says and shows that if a person continues to sin willfully/deliberately, and refuses to give up those sinful ways then any good they do is void and worthless. Because the bible says those who continue to deliberately sin trample on the blood of our Lord and will stand before God at judgment !!!

phil112 · Jun 29, 2015

pwrnJC said:

Get serious. This one is different. His buddies, the ones he has filled his cabinet with, the ones he is importing daily, are muslims that want you to convert or die - and they ain't gonna try very hard to convert you. They would much rather cut your head off.
Seriously, you think that compares with another president?

HoneyDew · Jun 29, 2015

Colossians 4:6 Let your speech [be] alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.

2 Timothy 2:24-26 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.

We are all at different points in our walk with God. Showing someone the same Grace that God has shown to us, as none is perfect or without a fault, is a blessing. Romans 3:23 for all have sin and fall short of the glory of God.

Galatians 6:6 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

Romans 15:1 We who are strong must be considerate of those who are sensitive about things like this. We must not just please ourselves. We should help others do what is right and build them up in the Lord.

[h=1]Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)[/h]7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

phil112 · Jun 29, 2015

KennethC said:

Not that I'm necessarily in disagreement, but I don't remember where that passage is. Would you mind giving book, chapter, and verse?

KennethC · Jun 29, 2015

phil112 said:

Hebrews 10.......................

dcontroversal · Jun 29, 2015

KennethC said:

I see you still fail to put that verse in context and use it as a catch all phrase...Erroneously I must say!

dcontroversal · Jun 29, 2015

phil112 said:

He uses it as a catch all phrase out of context like normal to support his works for salvation which he says he doesn't preach....That statement is applied unto those who forsake assembling together which is to count the blood of Jesus a common ordinary base thing and trample under foot the son of God.....it will take standing before Jesus to finally figure out that his application of it lacks any vestige of truth!

KennethC · Jun 29, 2015

dcontroversal said:

Sorry but you are the one who continues to deny what Hebrews 10 clearly says, as you continue to reject that fiery indignation that one will face at judgment is the lake of fire. It clearly says in verses 29-30 God will punish and take vengeance on those who trample the Son of God underfoot, because they continued to live sinful lives.....No true repentance !!!

Once again also in verse 23 it shows that we have to hold fast the confession of our hope of salvation without wavering, and verse 34 shows this possession of eternal life is reserved in heaven, and then verse 38 gives a warning to not draw back to a sinful lifestyle (perdition/eternal death).

You can continue to reject this chapter deals with eternal life all you like as that is your choice and opinion, but I will stick to its true context and what is being talked about. As the first half of Hebrews 10 is speaking of the first steps of belief in repentance, baptism, confession and then the rest is warning about if after you have received this knowledge you continue to be sinful in nature which is to be carnally minded that leads to eternal death and not eternal life !!!

KennethC · Jun 29, 2015

dcontroversal said:

Why don't you take your debate in prayer with the Lord because that is who you really have an issue with, for He is the one that says if the fruits of the Spirits are not produced through you then you will be cut off and burned. This is because it shows no eternal life abides in that type of person, and it nowhere in the bible says that as long as you show love here at least once in your life but then the rest show hatred you are saved.

You want to reject those passages for what they clearly say because they refute OSAS just like these;

Matthew 25:1-13, 14-30; Luke 8:13, 9:62, 12:42-48; John 15:1-6; Acts 4:32, 5:1-11, 8:9-24, 20:28-30; Romans 11:13-23; 1 Cor. 9:26-27, 10:1-12; Galatians 2:11-14, 5:4, 6:1; 1 Timothy 1:18-20, 4:1, 5:8, 6:10; 2 Timothy 2:16-18; Hebrews 3:12, 4:1-2, 4:11, 6:4-8, 10:26-31, 10:38-39; James 5:19-20; 1 Peter 5:8; 2 Peter 2:1, 2:20-22, 3:17; 2 John 1:8-9; Revelation 2:4-5, 3:5, 3:16-17

This is what the bible says believers can still do;

1. Fall from grace - Gal. 5:1-4,13
2. Be led away with error - 2 Pet. 3:17
3. Err from the truth - James 5:19-20
4. Weak brother may perish - 1 Cor. 8:11
5. Fall into condemnation - James 5:12
6. Be moved away from the hope - Col. 1:21-23
7. Deny the Lord who bought them - 2 Pet. 2:1
8. Depart from the living God - Heb. 3:12
9. Can be a castaway - 1 Cor. 9:27
10. Can become accursed children - 2 Pet. 2:14

Pumicestone · Jun 29, 2015

ORly said:

Such tolerance. Such respect for the opinions of others. Is this a Christian "thing" ?

King James Bible

.... whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."

Burn baby burn ?

KennethC · Jun 29, 2015

Pumicestone said:

You see what I was saying before about the negativity that comes from others just because you may disagree with them, and then they try and reverse the issue on us and say we are the one's being judgmental....................That type of attitude does not come from the fruits of the Spirit !!!

Elizabeth619 · Jun 30, 2015

jb said:

Do you get you ideology from the westboro baptist church?

"....darling!!" Nice sarcasm.

phil112 · Jun 30, 2015

Barack Hussein Obama is Flooding the Bible Belt with Tens of Thousands of Unscreened Muslim Refugees -

JackH · Jun 30, 2015

Pumicestone said:

Most of these self-righteous hypocrites are YECs.

That goes a long way to explain the brain damage.

JackH · Jun 30, 2015

Pumicestone said:

If a person can not figure out that the Earth is older than 6,000 years old, that person has no hope of even beginning to comprehend more complex issues like politics and evolution.

Elizabeth619 · Jun 30, 2015

JackH said:

In other words if someone doesn't see things as you do then they're stupid?

I believe in the young earth theory.
Im quite involved with politics. Ive sat at the dinner table with senators, congressmen, and even tennessees governor. Pretty sure I'm not ignorant
I also study evolution often. If I'm gonna disagree with someone I wantnto know what I'm talking about.

phil112 · Jun 30, 2015

JackH said:

You would think that someone that is 98 years old would have enough sense not to point fingers......unless you are not 98. Which would make you a liar, now wouldn't it?
I've asked you several times to prove that and you refuse.

phil112 · Jun 30, 2015

KennethC said:

Try the spirits Kenneth. The bible tells you to do that. It does not, anywhere, say to coddle evil men.
Another post from my facebook feed.

Billy Thomas

A Black Reporter Summarizes Barack
The below summarization of Barack and Michelle Obama’s 5 year reign in the White House is by far the best I’ve ever read as it squarely hits the nail on the head. And it took a black reporter writing it to make it as effective as it is. A white man’s account would be instantly criticized by the liberal media as pure racism. But, how can anyone scream Racist when an exacting description of the Obamas is penned by a well known journalist of color?
BEST SUMMATION OF BARACK AND MICHELLE EVER!

Mychal Massie is a respected writer and talk show host in Los Angeles.

The other evening on my twitter, a person asked me why I didn't like the Obama's? Specifically I was asked: "I have to ask, why do you hate the Obama's? It seems personal, not policy related. You even dissed (disrespect) their Christmas family picture."
The truth is I do not like the Obamas, what they represent, their ideology, and I certainly do not like his policies and legislation. I've made no secret of my contempt for the Obamas. As I responded to the person who asked me the aforementioned question, I don't like them because they are committed to the fundamental change of my/our country into what can only be regarded as a Communist state.
I don't hate them per definition, but I condemn them because they are the worst kind of racialists, they are elitist Leninists with contempt for traditional America. They display disrespect for the sanctity of the office he holds, and for those who are willing to admit same, Michelle Obama's raw contempt for white America is transpicuous. I don't like them because they comport themselves as emperor and empress.
I expect, no I demand respect, for the Office of President and a love of our country and her citizenry from the leader entrusted with the governance of same. President and Mrs. Reagan displayed an unparalleled love for the country and her people.
The Reagan's made Americans feel good about themselves and about what we could accomplish. Obama's arrogance by appointing 32 leftist czars and constantly bypassing congress is impeachable. Eric Holder is probably the MOST incompetent and arrogant DOJ head to ever hold the job. Could you envision President Reagan instructing his Justice Department to act like jack-booted thugs?
Presidents are politicians and all politicians are known and pretty much expected to manipulate the truth, if not outright lie, but even using that low standard, the Obama's have taken lies, dishonesty, deceit, mendacity, subterfuge and obfuscation to new depths. They are verbally abusive to the citizenry, and they display an animus for civility.
I do not like them, because they both display bigotry overtly, as in the case of Harvard Professor Louis Gates, when he accused the Cambridge Police of acting stupidly, and her code speak pursuant to not being able to be proud of America. I view that statement and that mindset as an insult to those who died to provide a country where a Kenyan, his illegal alien relatives, and his alleged progeny, could come and not only live freely, but rise to the highest, most powerful, position in the world.
Michelle Obama is free to hate and disparage whites because Americans of every description paid with their blood to ensure her right to do same. I have a saying, that "the only reason a person hides things, is because they have something to hide." No president in history has spent millions of dollars to keep his records and his past sealed.
And what the two of them have shared has been proved to be lies. He lied about when and how they met, he lied about his mother's death and problems with insurance, Michelle lied to a crowd pursuant to nearly $500,000 bank stocks they inherited from his family. He has lied about his father's military service, about the civil rights movement, ad nausea. He lied to the world about the Supreme Court in a State of the Union address. He berated and publicly insulted a sitting Congressman. He has surrounded himself with the most rabidly, radical, socialist academicians today.
He opposed rulings that protected women and children that even Planned Parenthood did not seek to support. He is openly hostile to business and aggressively hostile to Israel. His wife treats being the First Lady as her personal American Express Black Card (arguably the most prestigious credit card in the world). I condemn them because, as people are suffering, losing their homes, their jobs, their retirements, he and his family are arrogantly showing off their life of entitlement - as he goes about creating and fomenting class warfare.
I don't like them, and I neither apologize nor retreat from my public condemnation of them and of his policies. We should condemn them for the disrespect they show our people, for his willful and unconstitutional actions pursuant to obeying the Constitutional parameters he is bound by, and his willful disregard for Congressional authority.
Dislike for them has nothing to do with the color of their skin; it has everything to do with their behavior, attitudes, and policies. And I have open scorn for their constantly playing the race card.
I could go on, but let me conclude with this. I condemn in the strongest possible terms the media for refusing to investigate them, as they did President Bush and President Clinton, and for refusing to label them for what they truly are. There is no scenario known to man, whereby a white president and his wife could ignore laws, flaunt their position, and lord over the people, as these two are permitted out of fear for their color.
As I wrote in a syndicated column titled, "Nero In The White House" - "Never in my life, inside or outside of politics, have I witnessed such dishonesty in a political leader. He is the most mendacious political figure I have ever witnessed. Even by the low standards of his presidential predecessors, his narcissistic, contumacious arrogance is unequalled. Using Obama as the bar, Nero would have to be elevated to sainthood...
Many in America wanted to be proud when the first person of color was elected president, but instead, they have been witness to a congenital liar, a woman who has been ashamed of America her entire life, failed policies, intimidation, and a commonality hitherto not witnessed in political leaders. He and his wife view their life at our expense as an entitlement - while America's people go homeless, hungry and unemployed."

Utah · Jun 30, 2015

JackH said:

Jackie Boy chimes in an obama thread and talks about the age of the Earth. Me Tarzan, you Jane.

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