Often misunderstood part of the Bible (1 John 1:8-19)

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GracethroughfaithinChrist said:
No doubt, seems in the last month or so all these new members spring up all the sudden and start asking the silliest of questions and comments. Especially in the last couple of weeks. :rolleyes:
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lol, yes, like prophesy fulfilled. we must be in the last days..lol
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
lol. they get crazier every day. It amazes me.
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HAHA I know the antithesis of Jason who erroneously attributes to us that we deny works and fruit in a believer.....I was like...well better not say that HAHAHAH but I agree for sure......!
 
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OSAS is a lie of Satan and that doctrine will lead many to hell. It is a works based doctrine and hides behind the ruse of Grace.
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If you think you weren't saved forever the minute you believed in Christ maybe you never believed in Him at all!
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Hebrews 6 destroys your works based gospel. for it says if they could fall away, they can never be renewed again, So you lose salvation, your done.

Then stop working to earn it, and recieve it with humility and joy, And know God will never renig on his promise. He is your abba Father.
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According to Eternal Security: What you say here doesn't make any sense. A person can fall away and yet God cannot renig on His promise of salvation? Do you believe in Once Saved Always Saved or not?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
If you see someone in error. You turn them away from error. Thats how you love someone.

Yes, the wife showed love she forgave unconditionally. As God loves, But you do not want to focus on that, you want to focus on the sin and the sinner, Well unless its your own sin, which you excuse the easy way with 1 John



Your right, he will not, He will chasten them and get them back in line.

What he will not do is kick them out of his family, He adopted them, they did not adopt him. To ckick them out, he would not be loving.

of course, I forgot, you don't understand what true love is. I can only pray you do not treat your wife and kids they you you say God treats us.
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You express sorrow towards them and turn away from error. That is how you love someone when you have wronged them. For how will Rick know if Ted is sorry for pushing him down a flight of stairs if he doesn't say he is sorry? He might see Ted and freak out and try and call the police (Even though Ted made a vow never to push people down stairs again).

I focus on sin because Jesus and the apostles never made an excuse for sin. For sin put Jesus Christ on the cross. So I believe you undermine sin and sweep it under carpet (whereby you really don't deal with it properly).

1 John 1:9 is in your Bible. It's not going anywhere unless you tear that page out of your Bible (Which is in context to 1 John 1:7).

As for the family argument: The father considered his son dead when he went prodigal. He said he was "dead" and was "alive again" twice. So this is the comparison. People are born and they can die. So when a person is born again spiritually there is the possibility that they can also die spiritually, too.

As for seeing someone error and loving part:

No, the way you talk to me is condescending (As if you are better than me). You insult me with your words and laugh. Which is not being loving and respectful.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Paul was saved before he did those works, he did not do them to earn salvation. Or to gain anything. Thats why he could call them a "momentary light affliction" Because he was secure in Christ, And he already knew eternity with God was in his possession.

For you workers. You can not say this, your eternity is still in doubt.

thats why he could not boast. They were not for self gain.

People who do not preach eternal security, teach their work is for self gain. thus they boast of their works, even if they deny it.
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Works do not save but they are merely the testimony of what spirit you are following. Is one being guided by the Spirit of God or are they being guided by an evil spiriit? For you are going to be working regardless. It is what kind of fruit (or work) are you bringing forth? Good fruit or bad fruit? Jesus said, by your fruits you will know them.
 
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