Old Earth/Young Earth

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Are there any Christians here who believe the world is as old as we are told? Most Christians I speak to consider the world to be young. There is compelling evidence for an old earth even thought the Bible suggests not.

I follow the Reasons To Believe ministry and they firmly believe the earth to be old - they are not alone in their beliefs. TBH I'm not sure what I believe and my faith doesn't depend on it either way - I believe because I had a very real experience of God entering my life so it makes no difference to me either way, though I have to admit to being curious about it.
 
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Are there any Christians here who believe the world is as old as we are told? Most Christians I speak to consider the world to be young. There is compelling evidence for an old earth even thought the Bible suggests not.

I follow the Reasons To Believe ministry and they firmly believe the earth to be old - they are not alone in their beliefs. TBH I'm not sure what I believe and my faith doesn't depend on it either way - I believe because I had a very real experience of God entering my life so it makes no difference to me either way, though I have to admit to being curious about it.
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The age of the earth is curiously researched by scientific means without end. Days could be years, years could be thousands. When the sun was created, I would say that the earth was spinning by then. So at least from that point on there were nights and days real close to what we have today. With that said, God can to anything as fast or as slow as He desires. Anything He says happens. The chronology that matters to us is that of salvation which was engineered before creation.

Jesus prayed "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." John 17:5
 
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Are there any Christians here who believe the world is as old as we are told? Most Christians I speak to consider the world to be young. There is compelling evidence for an old earth even thought the Bible suggests not.

I follow the Reasons To Believe ministry and they firmly believe the earth to be old - they are not alone in their beliefs. TBH I'm not sure what I believe and my faith doesn't depend on it either way - I believe because I had a very real experience of God entering my life so it makes no difference to me either way, though I have to admit to being curious about it.
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To have faith, there is no doubt. You can't have both because if you doubt, it destroy your faith.
 
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To have faith, there is no doubt. You can't have both because if you doubt, it destroy your faith.
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My faith is in God not the age of the earth.
 
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My faith is in God not the age of the earth.
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Well, if you believe in the teaching of Moses and the prophets, and which Moses had written the book of Genesis, and then you will be able to believe in the One that has risen from the dead. But if you do not believed them, then you will not believe in the One that has risen from the dead.
 
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I personally believe that the material creation was wrecked when Lucifer was cast out of heaven and what we have in Genesis is a re-construction and or renovation by God.....

God's Spirit is Brooding over exactly what in Genesis?... it is interesting to note that what he was brooding (hovering over) was already here.....Darkness, the face of the deep and waters......He (moved) upon the face of the waters.....<--became brooding

It is also interesting to note what comes out of the mouth of the Beast in Revelation that attempts to annihilate Israel and the EARTH opens up and swallows the (flood) that the Dragon is attempting to use to destroy Israel.......

The word WAS in verse 2 is BECAME.........

Another clue is in what God calls Good.....Everything he makes he calls Good in the same set of verses except when he creates the heaven......<-----Maybe he didn't apply the word Good in VERSE 8 like he did in verse 4, 10, 12, 18, 25

Note He doesn't apply the word good to the heaven and to man......He does generalize about all of creation with the word good in verse 31....

None GOOD no not one and maybe the heaven because the Prince of the POWER of the AIR was already here!

Just a few points to ponder.....
 
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Well, if you believe in the teaching of Moses and the prophets, and which Moses had written the book of Genesis, and then you will be able to believe in the One that has risen from the dead. But if you do not believed them, then you will not believe in the One that has risen from the dead.
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It's all open to interpretation.
 
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I personally believe that the material creation was wrecked when Lucifer was cast out of heaven and what we have in Genesis is a re-construction and or renovation by God.....

God's Spirit is Brooding over exactly what in Genesis?... it is interesting to note that what he was brooding (hovering over) was already here.....Darkness, the face of the deep and waters......He (moved) upon the face of the waters.....<--became brooding
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I have thought the same thing for "in the beginning" doesn't specifically identify the first day. Heaven and earth was already there before the light of the first day as it seems. This light was not the sun. Nevertheless God still created both. Don't know, just pondering.

Genesis 1:1-2
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Greek world=2889. kosmos kos'-mos probably from the base of 2865; orderly arrangement, i.e. decoration; by implication, the world (in a wide or narrow sense, including its inhabitants, literally or figuratively (morally)):--adorning, world.

Hebrew earth=776 'erets eh'-rets from an unused root probably meaning to be firm; the earth (at large, or partitively a land):--X common, country, earth, field, ground, land, X natins, way, + wilderness, world.

The world is the earth inhabited. Who was, or what was the light on the first day of creation?
The sun was created on the 4th day
 
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I have thought the same thing for "in the beginning" doesn't specifically identify the first day. Heaven and earth was already there before the light of the first day as it seems. This light was not the sun. Nevertheless God still created both. Don't know, just pondering.

Genesis 1:1-2
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Greek world=2889. kosmos kos'-mos probably from the base of 2865; orderly arrangement, i.e. decoration; by implication, the world (in a wide or narrow sense, including its inhabitants, literally or figuratively (morally)):--adorning, world.

Hebrew earth=776 'erets eh'-rets from an unused root probably meaning to be firm; the earth (at large, or partitively a land):--X common, country, earth, field, ground, land, X natins, way, + wilderness, world.

The world is the earth inhabited. Who was, or what was the light on the first day of creation?
The sun was created on the 4th day
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No doubt some interesting concepts for sure.....DISCLAIMER as THE FOLLOWING CAN MEAN NOTHING...HAHA

When I was a kid like 4-5 years old (had not been to church yet or heard the Genesis account of Creation) I had a re-occuring dream about the 6 days of creation and in successive steps.......

I stood upon a world void of anything and then was flying above the earth while it was being filled/created etc.....The thing that shocks me most about the dream is the fact that the trees and forests were all like the red woods in California....like hundreds of meters tall.......

What is a trip about that is the following.

1. Had never been to church or heard the Genesis account
2. In my dream the trees and forest were hundreds of meters tall

A few years ago I seen a report by a group of geologists, and they all said without exception that the thickness of the coal seams all seem to indicate that the forests at one time were hundreds of meters tall, and maybe even pushing 1000 meters tall....

So....strange to me that I would dream about creation, having never heard about creation and then dream about the height of the forests to only hear what I dreamed some 44 years later.......crazy for sure........

Like I said....probably means nothing, but interesting for sure.......
 
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No doubt some interesting concepts for sure.....DISCLAIMER as THE FOLLOWING CAN MEAN NOTHING...HAHA

When I was a kid like 4-5 years old (had not been to church yet or heard the Genesis account of Creation) I had a re-occuring dream about the 6 days of creation and in successive steps.......

I stood upon a world void of anything and then was flying above the earth while it was being filled/created etc.....The thing that shocks me most about the dream is the fact that the trees and forests were all like the red woods in California....like hundreds of meters tall.......

What is a trip about that is the following.

1. Had never been to church or heard the Genesis account
2. In my dream the trees and forest were hundreds of meters tall

A few years ago I seen a report by a group of geologists, and they all said without exception that the thickness of the coal seams all seem to indicate that the forests at one time were hundreds of meters tall, and maybe even pushing 1000 meters tall....

So....strange to me that I would dream about creation, having never heard about creation and then dream about the height of the forests to only hear what I dreamed some 44 years later.......crazy for sure........

Like I said....probably means nothing, but interesting for sure.......
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Wow! For sure that is interesting. The interpretation of dreams is always interesting but this one...
 
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Wow! For sure that is interesting. The interpretation of dreams is always interesting but this one...
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I agree and like I said...very strange to me and maybe nothing......but it really tripped me out because I can remember the dream like it was yesterday and when those geologists stated their view on the coal seams I liked to fell out of my chair HAHAH.....trippy for sure......
 
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No doubt some interesting concepts for sure.....DISCLAIMER as THE FOLLOWING CAN MEAN NOTHING...HAHA

When I was a kid like 4-5 years old (had not been to church yet or heard the Genesis account of Creation) I had a re-occuring dream about the 6 days of creation and in successive steps.......

I stood upon a world void of anything and then was flying above the earth while it was being filled/created etc.....The thing that shocks me most about the dream is the fact that the trees and forests were all like the red woods in California....like hundreds of meters tall.......

What is a trip about that is the following.

1. Had never been to church or heard the Genesis account
2. In my dream the trees and forest were hundreds of meters tall

A few years ago I seen a report by a group of geologists, and they all said without exception that the thickness of the coal seams all seem to indicate that the forests at one time were hundreds of meters tall, and maybe even pushing 1000 meters tall....

So....strange to me that I would dream about creation, having never heard about creation and then dream about the height of the forests to only hear what I dreamed some 44 years later.......crazy for sure........

Like I said....probably means nothing, but interesting for sure.......
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It is interesting for sure, and as I was reading your account I was thinking about the flood killing/drowning vegetation such as trees, (being under water for a year) but nevertheless the seed of all vegetation was not destroyed. There is another fascinating thing about vegetation in creation. They were created before being planted.

Genesis 2:4-5
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew : for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

I have taken this as the day before the first day recorded when the light was cretaed. Just musing. It's like a Sabbath before the first day. God's work

John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying , I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
 
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I wouldn't term myself as a young earther but I am certainly not an old earth advocate either,the scientific evidence simply just doesn't support that but as I want to take the bible at its word, I often wonder the significance of the time between the creation of Eve and the fall. We are given no clue as to the passing of time here and given the lack of sin in the world and therefore the lack of ageing, is it conceivable that a significant period of time may have passed of which we know nothing....as we need to know nothing about it.
 
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It is interesting for sure, and as I was reading your account I was thinking about the flood killing/drowning vegetation such as trees, (being under water for a year) but nevertheless the seed of all vegetation was not destroyed. There is another fascinating thing about vegetation in creation. They were created before being planted.

Genesis 2:4-5
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew : for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
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Yeah I thought of the flood and the pressure required to make the coal seams as well......God is definitely the master geneticist and builder for sure and it blows my mind how He genetically engineered it all.......and how when in balance it all works perfectly together........
 
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MadParrotWoman said:
Are there any Christians here who believe the world is as old as we are told? Most Christians I speak to consider the world to be young. There is compelling evidence for an old earth even thought the Bible suggests not.

I follow the Reasons To Believe ministry and they firmly believe the earth to be old - they are not alone in their beliefs. TBH I'm not sure what I believe and my faith doesn't depend on it either way - I believe because I had a very real experience of God entering my life so it makes no difference to me either way, though I have to admit to being curious about it.
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I also hold to the RTB day-age stance for an ancient earth.

If it looks old...then it IS old...pretty simple, really....

Far too many YEC's force Biblical doctrine into contradiction when they attempt to make the earth a mere 6K years old.

There are trees in California older than that!

 
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There are trees in California older than that!
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No there are not, the wildest tree age claim almost 5,000 years, of a bristlecone pine.
 
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No there are not, the wildest tree age claim almost 5,000 years, of a bristlecone pine.
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They are demonstrably >5K years old....circa the same age of the earth if you bogusly add up the generations in Gen.

Simply more issues with a young earth...
 
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