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Those that reject obeying GOD'S righteousness are the ones rejecting God's grace. Acts 10:35 God accepts those that "worketh righteousness" so those that obey God's commands (verse 47,48) are the ones accepted with God.
Can you be more specific O SeaBass:

How much obedience is required?

1 command a day? 1 point?
How do disobediences count? -2 points?

How many commands do you have to obey SeaBass?
How frequent does the commandment performance have to be?
 

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Believe - Jn 8:24
Repent - Lk 13:3,5
Confess - Mt 10:32,33
baptized - Mk 16:16
Just once each, O Seabass?
No other commands to obey?
If you just obey those once,
does that mean you can sin all you want & still go to Heaven?
 

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2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Aw heck, Delivery,
are you trying to tell us that we cain't add in a few works, just for good measure?
How's about a little supererogtion thrown in on the side to help out a bit?
 

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God's grace cannot be earned but God's grace is conditional, it is conditional upon man doing righteousness.


How much righteousness SeaBass?
 

Atwood

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Where in Scripture does it say, "First work God's righteousness and you will be saved''?
It is in Hezekiah 8:24.

8:25 is similar:

"Verily first thou must be righteous, then thou mayest be made righteous; for only when thou needest no salvation mayest thou & thine unornery soul be saved."
 

Atwood

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#46
One does not gain the promise of salvation until he first works God's righteousness.
How much work is required to get up to the level of working God's righteousness?
Is once a week on Sunday morning enough?
Can I just wear a patch of wool inside my shirt against my skin,
or do I have to wear the whole wool shirt itchy side in?
Is tithing enough, or do I have to sell all my goods, give them to the poor, and live under a bridge?
 

Atwood

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#47
No one outside of Christ is righteous and it takes obedience/doing righteousness to be in Christ.
How can anyone then get in? If no one outside of Christ is righteous, and you can't get in until you are righteous, there must no one "in Christ."

How much righteousness does it take to be in Christ?
 

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One is to do all of God's righteousness.
Aside from the Lord Jesus, who has ever done all of God's righteousness?
Every day without fail? How many days off do you get for sin?
O Seabass, have you done all of God's righteousness?
 

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so those that obey God's commands (verse 47,48) are the ones accepted with God.
How many commandments, Seabass? Is 70 percent a passing grade?
How many disobediences are you allowed?
 

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Last I knew there was only 1 Savior. The universe doesn't have room for more than one.

If you are going to be saved, you will be saved by the Savior, the Lord Jesus, who will save the sinner's wretched hide from his miserable condition.

It is not rocket science.
The Lord Jesus is the Savior.
I am the saved, the savee.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus,
for He shall save His people from their sins.


O ye who wish the Lord Jesus to be a mere chance giver,
repent, and trust Him as your only & sufficient Savior.
 

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Of course Jesus gets all the credit/glory for our salvation, the Bible says if you love Me keep My commandments.

The thing is once we have repented and given our hearts to God and Jesus righteousness covers us we have a change of heart and attitude. We become more and more like Jesus we will hate sin as He hates sin and we will turn away from it not in our own power but in Jesus power this is because of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit who gives us the ability to overcome the sins that beset us.

A true Christian is never standing still he is always keeping his focus on Jesus and moving upward - I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. Will we want to obey the commandments of course not because they save us but because we love God and want to do what is pleasing to Him and what will bring glory and honor to our Father in Heaven.

This is where the verse Faith without Works is dead. Not because we can earn our way to heaven but because we are so grateful for the free gift of salvation and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit we want to obey God out of our love for Him.
 
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Where in Scripture does it say, "First work God's righteousness and you will be saved''?
Your 'gospel' is an affront to the Christian Gospel and you are in danger friend...
1 Jn 3:10 whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God

Cannot be of God without doing righteousness. The man made teaching of faith only prevents one from being of God.
 
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But doing 'good' works is not what gives us our righteousness. Faith in Christ is what GIVES, RECKONS, IMPUTES righteousness unto us. Once that righteousness has been imputed unto us - we WANT to do what is good and what is right.

When one is born of God - righteousness is imputed unto him - God sees his child as righteous. Obedience does not make us righteous but God's righteousness in us produces fruit. 'with the heart man believeth unto righteousness'

Straw man for no one has argued doing good works save. Doing God's righteousness is what saves. Christ's righteousness is not transferred to anyone. The sinner who obeys the gospel is placed in Christ were he is covered by Christ's perfect righteousness. And it takes obedience/doing God's righteousness to be in Christ. NO ONE is righteous outside of Christ.

One is either obedient to God's will or disobedient. Doing righteousness makes one righteousness, disobedience will never make one righteous.

Peacefulbeliever said:
Isaiah 64:4-6 For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him. Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways: behold, thou art wroth; for we have sinned [remember: for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God]: In those is continuance, and we shall be saved. But we are all as an unclean thing and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags . . . . He is talking to those that meet him and rejoice and work righteousness by remembering God in our ways.
God meets/entreats/helps those that work righteousness, Isa 64:5 Peter said God accepts those that worketh righteousness. Those that do nothing/unrighteousness are rejected by God.

Isa 64:6,7 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away And there is none that calleth upon thy name, that stirreth up himself to take hold of thee: for thou hast hid thy face from us, and hast consumed us, because of our iniquities.

Those whose righteousness were as filthy rags were those in iniquity. Israel had turned their back on God and were living in iniquity.

peacefulbeliever said:
Abel, Moses, Noah, Abraham, Sara, etc. were righteous not because of what they did but because they believed God.
Their believe in God and his promises made them righteous and being made righteous and believing in God's promises brought about their obedience. Obedience doesn't come first - faith comes first and gives us salvation - salvation brings about obedience.
They had an obedient belief. Abel was righteous, Heb 11:4 because his works were righteous, 1 Jn 3:12.


Heb 11:4 By faith Noah moved with fear preparing an ark to the saving of his house...and became heir of righteousness which is by fith

Noah had an obedient faith. moved with fear preparing an ark and became heir of righteousness


Not possible in any way for one to be made righteous while doing nothing.
One is either doing unrighteousness or righteousness, no inbetween. One living in unrighteousness can never be made righteous while he continues doing unrighteousness. There is not one example in all the bible of one being made righteous while continuing to live in and do unrighteousness.
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Can you be more specific O SeaBass:

How much obedience is required?

1 command a day? 1 point?
How do disobediences count? -2 points?

How many commands do you have to obey SeaBass?
How frequent does the commandment performance have to be?
One must obey all of God's righteousness.

How much can one disobey, how much unrighteousness can one do and still be saved?
 
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Just once each, O Seabass?
No other commands to obey?
If you just obey those once,
does that mean you can sin all you want & still go to Heaven?
Why mock God about how many of His commands you do not have to obey?
 
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How much righteousness SeaBass?
All God's righteousness.

How much unrighteousness can one do and still be saved?
 
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It is in Hezekiah 8:24.

8:25 is similar:

"Verily first thou must be righteous, then thou mayest be made righteous; for only when thou needest no salvation mayest thou & thine unornery soul be saved."
1 jn 3:10 whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God


No doing righteousness = not of God
Faith only = not of God
 
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How much work is required to get up to the level of working God's righteousness?
Is once a week on Sunday morning enough?
Can I just wear a patch of wool inside my shirt against my skin,
or do I have to wear the whole wool shirt itchy side in?
Is tithing enough, or do I have to sell all my goods, give them to the poor, and live under a bridge?
Still mocking about doing God's righteousness.


How much unrighteousness can you do and still be saved??????????????
 
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How can anyone then get in? If no one outside of Christ is righteous, and you can't get in until you are righteous, there must no one "in Christ."

How much righteousness does it take to be in Christ?
How can anyone claim to be a Christian yet not know how one gets in Christ?????

How much unrighteousness can you do and still be saved??????
 
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Aside from the Lord Jesus, who has ever done all of God's righteousness?
Every day without fail? How many days off do you get for sin?
O Seabass, have you done all of God's righteousness?
You continue to mock God about doing His righteousness.


How much unrighteousness can you do and still be saved?