ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED, HYPER GRACE, ETERNAL SECURITY = FALSE DOCTRINE PROVEN!

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HeRoseFromTheDead

HeRoseFromTheDead

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Grace777x70 said:
Abiding in the Vine:

A promise, not a condition
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This is nonsensical. Jesus told his disciples, who were already in him, to abide (remain) in him because not doing so would bring negative consequences (not bearing fruit). If no possibility existed of not remaining in Christ, then it would be pointless for Christ to have given specific instruction to do so.
 
Grace777x70

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Jesus is simply saying "Without Me you can do nothing"...so remain/abide in Him and all that He has already done for us as He is our life.

Abiding in Him means to stand in what He has done and who He is because we are one with Him.

It is NOT a work that one does. This is called works-righteousness.

He who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him. We are one with Him now in our inner man of the heart created in righteousness and holiness.

1 Corinthians 6:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.


Sin no more separates the believer in Christ then Daffy Duck and Donald Duck are the 2 witnesses in the book of Revelation.

Sin is stupid and destructive and can shorten our lives here on earth and destroys our witness with people but it does not separate us from God because we are "in Christ". It does however in our own minds affect how we view God but not how God views us.

The gospel of the grace of Christ is offensive to the religious mindset.

How we live here while on this earth affects our quality of life. Either live in grace or in the flesh.

I say that we teach the grace of Christ as it is this very thing that instructs how to live godly in this present world . Titus 2:11

Romans 8:12-13 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh—
[SUP]13 [/SUP] for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
 
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Salvation is received by Faith and Grace. Salvation is received by believing.

John 3:16
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.


[SUP]John 3:18
18 [/SUP]“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


Ephesians 2:8,9
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, [SUP]9 [/SUP]not of works, lest anyone should boast.

If Salvation is received by believing then how can one lose their Salvation by sinning when Salvation is NOT received by NOT sinning?

Beware of False Prophets in sheep's clothing pretending to be a Christian while teaching the doctrines of Demons!
 
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