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Considering how many church buildings there are, why does virtually none of them have any definite Yays except for Christ?

The Father has painstakenly taken the time to record every single situation that a human being may encounter, with the answers to them ALL, and especially Christ/Messiah which IS His greatest gift to mankind.

We have a world FULL of preachers and next to no teachers, that teach Our Fathers WORD, but would rather preach their opinion of Christ/Messiah.

None of these religious churchs so-called Christian or otherwise come even close to Our Fathers Words of comfort & joy.

Thing is, is that it takes concerted effort and time spent in His Word, to understand His recorded History of events.

But if all anything one hears is continual half-trueism, how can they ever expect to get to the source of what they are looking for?

Just the tittles of the majority of these threads makes me wanna puke, as they are so out of context of what the Father said concerning Christ/Messiah and every other subject.

The only thing that Christians have in their favour is their ignorance ( and this is not to be rude, just factual, as ignorant simply means that one doesn't know) and their faith/belief/hope in Christ/Messiah.

But the Covenant didn't stop @ faith, though it is the first and strongest part of the Covenant made in love, as it took us through pretty much the whole Plan of Salvation, however there still is laughter and heelgrabbing involved in this Covenant/Contract, that IS every bit as binding and legal as the Covenant of the Law.

The Covenant/Contract made in Love, came loooong before the Law, and just as the children of God couldn't obey then, it seems that they cannot obey it now either; DON'T HURT MY CHILDREN, PHYSICALLY OR SPIRITUALLY.

Christians take the forgiveness card waaaay beyond that which is called for; there is a point that one has to draw a line, or are you just gonna stand there and watch a child raped, murdered or both?

7x70 a day;
IF! one is guenuinly and sincerely trying. Why do people overlook this condition?

If they don't care, or if they are just snowing you, pretending to care to ones face, and then laughing behind ones back, Then to hell with them, after 3 strikes.

YAY! we are saved by grace; IF, we obey the Covenant made in Love, otherwise the Law is sure to catch up with one sooner or later; As every WORD from Our Father IS the Law.

People have been Saved the same way since the beginning of this flesh condition; by hearing the WORD of Our Father, with the promise of a coming Messiah/Christ, and the fufillment of that promise.

Christ/Messiah's Words are no different than Our Fathers Words, just Affirming and Confirming them,and Establishing a New Way to contact HIM, The Father.

Christ is always here for us, 24/7/365, always has been, still is, and always will be, until Our Father and His lake of fire returns, at the end of The Lords Day of Reckoning & Teaching in the Spirit.
 

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We have a world FULL of preachers and next to no teachers, that teach Our Fathers WORD, but would rather preach their opinion of Christ/Messiah.
Thank you for your 'opinion'.
 
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dude. i see what you are very concerned about and it is exactly what I am concerned about. so you know what I did? I submitted my life to God and now he is my everything. thats right. evrything. all parts in, no parts out. if you want to see a change, then make a change. because God gave you the power and love of his Holy Spirit.

So use the love he gave you, it can change the world.

Edit: Sorry for assuming that you have not submitted yourself. you probably have. not very many people have. most christians still live in the flesh, and have NOT offered their own lives to Christ as a LIVING SACRIFICE.

LIVING SACRIFICE. ALL PARTS IN. NO PARTS OUT.

but if you havent given your entire life to him AND SURRENDERED TO HIM, I recommend it because Jesus life was the LIFE. he is the way truth and the LIFE. remember that it is not impossible to be just like him. This life is the life Jesus WANTS us to live.
 
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it's arnold murray's opinion
Your still having problems with reality I see. You should really consult your phyciatrist and get those meds checked Cathy.

None of this is Arnold Murray, you just don't understand him because he is waaaaay above your level of understanding.

He is the ONLY real Pastor/Teacher who doesn't beg, doesn't solicit membership, tells one consistently not to believe him, but rather The Word, backs-up what he does say with proof, brought untold millions to Christ in EVERY country, has spent over 60 years learning and teaching, works 7 days a week, helping fallen preachers on weekends.

VS you; a rude, ignorant, judgemental, sick, individual that claims that while in a phyco ward, suddenly found herself with the ability to understand the Bible, what a joke you really are; even Mr. Murray states that he doesn't understand the whole WORD, and doubts that anyone could.

You are about as far away from practising the Art of Christianity as one can get.

I love you as in knowing that you are a child of God, but that's as far as it goes; as a human, I DON"T like you and have no sympathy for you, as you get your guidance through mans religons.

Do me a BIIIG favour will ya? stay the hell away from me.
 
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None of this is Arnold Murray, you just don't understand him because he is waaaaay above your level of understanding.
it's okay, she's a kenite.
 
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i really think you should submit yourself to God instead of a pastor. REally, God is so amazing and he can change peoples lives through you. if you need encouragement through a pastor, i suggest Todd white. because of the words I heard the Holy Spirit speak through todd, I now believe so far as to know that people will get healed. and they do. they get healed because Jesus loves them and I believe.
 
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so if you use "hell" to refer to a place its not considered a curse word but if you use it in an expression as demonstrated above, would it past the "wash your mouth out with soap" test?

hmm.....

James 3

New King James Version (NKJV)

The Untamable Tongue

3 My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For we all stumble in many things. If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle the whole body. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Indeed,[SUP][a][/SUP] we put bits in horses’ mouths that they may obey us, and we turn their whole body. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Look also at ships: although they are so large and are driven by fierce winds, they are turned by a very small rudder wherever the pilot desires. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Even so the tongue is a little member and boasts great things.


See how great a forest a little fire kindles! [SUP]6 [/SUP]And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity. The tongue is so set among our members that it defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire by hell. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and creature of the sea, is tamed and has been tamed by mankind. [SUP]8 [/SUP]But no man can tame the tongue. It is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. [SUP]9 [/SUP]With it we bless our God and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the similitude of God. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Out of the same mouth proceed blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to be so.
I find quite a few men of God who will spend hours discussing scriptures for nothing.

they have the blessing of being retired preachers.

Luke 10:7 And remain in the same house, eating and drinking such things as they give, for the laborer is worthy of his wages. Do not go from house to house.

2 Corinthians 11:8 I robbed other churches, taking wages from them to minister to you.

1 Timothy 5:17-19

New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Let the elders who rule well be counted worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in the word and doctrine. [SUP]18 [/SUP]For the Scripture says, “You shall not muzzle an ox while it treads out the grain,”[SUP][a][/SUP] and, “The laborer is worthy of his wages.”[SUP][b][/SUP]
 
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Ariel82

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The only thing that Christians have in their favour is their ignorance ( and this is not to be rude, just factual, as ignorant simply means that one doesn't know) and their faith/belief/hope in Christ/Messiah.
and that seed is enough for God to grow, yet you dismiss it as if it is nothing?

God says He has the solution to those who are ignorant, they have but to pray and ask HIM.

But the Covenant didn't stop @ faith, though it is the first and strongest part of the Covenant made in love, as it took us through pretty much the whole Plan of Salvation, however there still is laughter and heelgrabbing involved in this Covenant/Contract, that IS every bit as binding and legal as the Covenant of the Law.

The Covenant/Contract made in Love, came loooong before the Law, and just as the children of God couldn't obey then, it seems that they cannot obey it now either; DON'T HURT MY CHILDREN, PHYSICALLY OR SPIRITUALLY.

Christians take the forgiveness card waaaay beyond that which is called for; there is a point that one has to draw a line, or are you just gonna stand there and watch a child raped, murdered or both?

7x70 a day;
IF! one is guenuinly and sincerely trying. Why do people overlook this condition?

If they don't care, or if they are just snowing you, pretending to care to ones face, and then laughing behind ones back, Then to hell with them, after 3 strikes.
there you go cursing again and attempting to teach people to horde unforgiveness in their hearts.

ever read these verses from JESUS?

Mathew 5
[h=3][/h][SUP]43 [/SUP]“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor[SUP][g][/SUP] and hate your enemy.’ [SUP]44 [/SUP]But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,[SUP][h][/SUP] [SUP]45 [/SUP]that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. [SUP]46 [/SUP]For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? [SUP]47 [/SUP]And if you greet your brethren[SUP][i][/SUP] only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors[SUP][j][/SUP] do so? [SUP]48 [/SUP]Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
 
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i really think you should submit yourself to God instead of a pastor.
you submit yourself to God and anyone who God gives authority over you.

then you try to be worthy of being given authority over others and leading them to God and teaching them His ways. Its a responsibility and spiritual gift people are given to teach and lead God's people and minister to them.

Undermining those God has placed in those positions of trust is not following GOD or His will for the world.

Don't worship your pastor, but give him the LOVE, honor and respect he deserves for being mature and loving God and you enough to pray and teach you God's will and Word.
 
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Ariel82

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We have a world FULL of preachers and next to no teachers, that teach Our Fathers WORD, but would rather preach their opinion of Christ/Messiah.
I strongly disagree.

God has His remnant and they preach GOD's WORD. They show how His words and prophecies have been fulfilled. They proclaim His truth and encourage people to read and study and pray for themselves.

It is not the preacher sin that many people do not listen and are lazy.

People need to stop blaming others for their OWN sins and failings.

too often you see the hypocrite loudly proclaim what others are doing wrong, when it is God's voice condemning them of the sin of preaching their OPINION, instead of GOD's WORD.

which is notably lacking in the OP.

anyone else notice the lack of scripture?

one has to ask oneself why that is so?
 
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i really think you should submit yourself to God instead of a pastor. REally, God is so amazing and he can change peoples lives through you. if you need encouragement through a pastor, i suggest Todd white. because of the words I heard the Holy Spirit speak through todd, I now believe so far as to know that people will get healed. and they do. they get healed because Jesus loves them and I believe.
You are young and excited, I get that as I have been there; there are no shortcuts to understanding Gods WORD, it starts at Gen: 1/1. and goes straight through to Revelations. In the Hebrew & Greek the WORD flows perfectly & consistently.

The English is a translation and every verse numbered because it is a textbook to the original.

Don't under-estimate the power of our enemy, as the prime root of the word Satan, is Death. Pretty strong in his power against a human, as I don't know anyone except Christ/Messiah and Elijah that beat him so far.

There is a whole world right now that could use a healing, and there is a time and place for that, in Our Fathers time, not ours.

I'm not saying that a healing isn't possible, but ask yourself, when you observe these healings, do they do it the way Christ instructed? because the ones I have observed don't.

We are instructed to annoint the person with olive oil, before requesting a healing from The Father in and through the name of Christ, not that the oil does the healing, but rather shows respect to Christ for changing the blood ordinances to olive oil when he gave his life on the cross.( just saying)

And I haven't submitted myself to anyone except Christ/Messiah and The WORD of Our Father, Thank-You :)
 
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We are instructed to annoint the person with olive oil, before requesting a healing from The Father in and through the name of Christ, not that the oil does the healing, but rather shows respect to Christ for changing the blood ordinances to olive oil when he gave his life on the cross.( just saying)
I don't remember Jesus anointing everyone with oil before each healings. ACtually Jesus wasn't even there in the room during some of his healings.

I do it the way God taught me. "In Jesus Name"

There is no method to believing, no step by step. It is submission to Love.

I am young and excited and I will never let my confidence fall away because I am giving my life to the world because I love the world

For God so Loved the World
 

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Your still having problems with reality I see. You should really consult your phyciatrist and get those meds checked Cathy.

None of this is Arnold Murray, you just don't understand him because he is waaaaay above your level of understanding.

He is the ONLY real Pastor/Teacher who doesn't beg, doesn't solicit membership, tells one consistently not to believe him, but rather The Word, backs-up what he does say with proof, brought untold millions to Christ in EVERY country, has spent over 60 years learning and teaching, works 7 days a week, helping fallen preachers on weekends.

VS you; a rude, ignorant, judgemental, sick, individual that claims that while in a phyco ward, suddenly found herself with the ability to understand the Bible, what a joke you really are; even Mr. Murray states that he doesn't understand the whole WORD, and doubts that anyone could.

You are about as far away from practising the Art of Christianity as one can get.

I love you as in knowing that you are a child of God, but that's as far as it goes; as a human, I DON"T like you and have no sympathy for you, as you get your guidance through mans religons.

Do me a BIIIG favour will ya? stay the hell away from me.
1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
1Jn 2:7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
1Jn 2:8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.
1Jn 2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother [OR SISTER], is in darkness even until now.
1Jn 2:10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
1Jn 2:11 But he that hateth his brother [OR SISTER] is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

Would you mind interpreting these scripture verses for me please, with a biblical definition of Love? 'Cause I'm missing something. And isn't, 'I DON'T like you,' the same as, I hate you? Thanks.
 
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I don't remember Jesus anointing everyone with oil before each healings. ACtually Jesus wasn't even there in the room during some of his healings.

I do it the way God taught me. "In Jesus Name"

There is no method to believing, no step by step. It is submission to Love.

I am young and excited and I will never let my confidence fall away because I am giving my life to the world because I love the world

For God so Loved the World
Your faith is very admirable :)

However you and I aren't Christ are we.

James CH: 5 ver. 14: Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders(note plural) of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

that's one spot, sure I could find more if I looked.

Peace :)
 
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jinx

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you sound high strung.... is everything ok? decaf maybe?


Considering how many church buildings there are, why does virtually none of them have any definite Yays except for Christ?

The Father has painstakenly taken the time to record every single situation that a human being may encounter, with the answers to them ALL, and especially Christ/Messiah which IS His greatest gift to mankind.

We have a world FULL of preachers and next to no teachers, that teach Our Fathers WORD, but would rather preach their opinion of Christ/Messiah.

None of these religious churchs so-called Christian or otherwise come even close to Our Fathers Words of comfort & joy.

Thing is, is that it takes concerted effort and time spent in His Word, to understand His recorded History of events.

But if all anything one hears is continual half-trueism, how can they ever expect to get to the source of what they are looking for?

Just the tittles of the majority of these threads makes me wanna puke, as they are so out of context of what the Father said concerning Christ/Messiah and every other subject.

The only thing that Christians have in their favour is their ignorance ( and this is not to be rude, just factual, as ignorant simply means that one doesn't know) and their faith/belief/hope in Christ/Messiah.

But the Covenant didn't stop @ faith, though it is the first and strongest part of the Covenant made in love, as it took us through pretty much the whole Plan of Salvation, however there still is laughter and heelgrabbing involved in this Covenant/Contract, that IS every bit as binding and legal as the Covenant of the Law.

The Covenant/Contract made in Love, came loooong before the Law, and just as the children of God couldn't obey then, it seems that they cannot obey it now either; DON'T HURT MY CHILDREN, PHYSICALLY OR SPIRITUALLY.

Christians take the forgiveness card waaaay beyond that which is called for; there is a point that one has to draw a line, or are you just gonna stand there and watch a child raped, murdered or both?

7x70 a day;
IF! one is guenuinly and sincerely trying. Why do people overlook this condition?

If they don't care, or if they are just snowing you, pretending to care to ones face, and then laughing behind ones back, Then to hell with them, after 3 strikes.

YAY! we are saved by grace; IF, we obey the Covenant made in Love, otherwise the Law is sure to catch up with one sooner or later; As every WORD from Our Father IS the Law.

People have been Saved the same way since the beginning of this flesh condition; by hearing the WORD of Our Father, with the promise of a coming Messiah/Christ, and the fufillment of that promise.

Christ/Messiah's Words are no different than Our Fathers Words, just Affirming and Confirming them,and Establishing a New Way to contact HIM, The Father.

Christ is always here for us, 24/7/365, always has been, still is, and always will be, until Our Father and His lake of fire returns, at the end of The Lords Day of Reckoning & Teaching in the Spirit.
 
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jinx

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please show us the love of Christ in the red bold print of your post, then in the blue bold print show me where cussing on a christian chat forum is acceptable?

please and thank you :)



Your still having problems with reality I see. You should really consult your phyciatrist and get those meds checked Cathy.

None of this is Arnold Murray, you just don't understand him because he is waaaaay above your level of understanding.

He is the ONLY real Pastor/Teacher who doesn't beg, doesn't solicit membership, tells one consistently not to believe him, but rather The Word, backs-up what he does say with proof, brought untold millions to Christ in EVERY country, has spent over 60 years learning and teaching, works 7 days a week, helping fallen preachers on weekends.

VS you; a rude, ignorant, judgemental, sick, individual that claims that while in a phyco ward, suddenly found herself with the ability to understand the Bible, what a joke you really are; even Mr. Murray states that he doesn't understand the whole WORD, and doubts that anyone could.

You are about as far away from practising the Art of Christianity as one can get.

I love you as in knowing that you are a child of God, but that's as far as it goes; as a human, I DON"T like you and have no sympathy for you, as you get your guidance through mans religons.

Do me a BIIIG favour will ya? stay the hell away from me.
 
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Considering how many church buildings there are, why does virtually none of them have any definite Yays except for Christ?

The Father has painstakenly taken the time to record every single situation that a human being may encounter, with the answers to them ALL, and especially Christ/Messiah which IS His greatest gift to mankind.

We have a world FULL of preachers and next to no teachers, that teach Our Fathers WORD, but would rather preach their opinion of Christ/Messiah.

None of these religious churchs so-called Christian or otherwise come even close to Our Fathers Words of comfort & joy.

Thing is, is that it takes concerted effort and time spent in His Word, to understand His recorded History of events.

But if all anything one hears is continual half-trueism, how can they ever expect to get to the source of what they are looking for?

Just the tittles of the majority of these threads makes me wanna puke, as they are so out of context of what the Father said concerning Christ/Messiah and every other subject.

The only thing that Christians have in their favour is their ignorance ( and this is not to be rude, just factual, as ignorant simply means that one doesn't know) and their faith/belief/hope in Christ/Messiah.

But the Covenant didn't stop @ faith, though it is the first and strongest part of the Covenant made in love, as it took us through pretty much the whole Plan of Salvation, however there still is laughter and heelgrabbing involved in this Covenant/Contract, that IS every bit as binding and legal as the Covenant of the Law.

The Covenant/Contract made in Love, came loooong before the Law, and just as the children of God couldn't obey then, it seems that they cannot obey it now either; DON'T HURT MY CHILDREN, PHYSICALLY OR SPIRITUALLY.

Christians take the forgiveness card waaaay beyond that which is called for; there is a point that one has to draw a line, or are you just gonna stand there and watch a child raped, murdered or both?

7x70 a day;
IF! one is guenuinly and sincerely trying. Why do people overlook this condition?

If they don't care, or if they are just snowing you, pretending to care to ones face, and then laughing behind ones back, Then to hell with them, after 3 strikes.

YAY! we are saved by grace; IF, we obey the Covenant made in Love, otherwise the Law is sure to catch up with one sooner or later; As every WORD from Our Father IS the Law.

People have been Saved the same way since the beginning of this flesh condition; by hearing the WORD of Our Father, with the promise of a coming Messiah/Christ, and the fufillment of that promise.

Christ/Messiah's Words are no different than Our Fathers Words, just Affirming and Confirming them,and Establishing a New Way to contact HIM, The Father.

Christ is always here for us, 24/7/365, always has been, still is, and always will be, until Our Father and His lake of fire returns, at the end of The Lords Day of Reckoning & Teaching in the Spirit.
Huh, for yourself , you want to GIVE forgiveness. And, God will make it right , and, sure , rape, whatever else bad, sure, God doesn't like that and you WILL never get over it IF you NEVER give it to Him. Hey, God gave you life when you DESERVED death, that's why He died on the cross, just do it ! Let it go, and, don't just 'let it go' to thin air, let it go to His care .. "Cast your cares upon the Lord, for He cares for you."

Simple, do the stuff that's like that and righteousness (right standing with God) is yours.

Not to be unsympathetic either, those violated in some way, that's not right, but, we still have the power of God in us and the ability to forgive others and we are to do it, "70x7 times' . The bitterness you WILL harbor inside yourseelf IF you don't forgive will eat you alive, plus, you will not be showing a faith in Him, in Christ, who will TAKE that pain away when you give it to Him, His power is great, beyond words, "In the name of Jesus," Wow! what power in THOSE words :)
 
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TruthTalk

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Considering how many church buildings there are, why does virtually none of them have any definite Yays except for Christ?

Just the tittles of the majority of these threads makes me wanna puke, as they are so out of context of what the Father said concerning Christ/Messiah and every other subject.

The only thing that Christians have in their favour is their ignorance ( and this is not to be rude, just factual, as ignorant simply means that one doesn't know) and their faith/belief/hope in Christ/Messiah.
One has to ask oneself - How does a beautiful Christian life lead to such forlorn conclusions. I will continue to pray that you will continue to keep-on-being-filled with God's love and grace in your life. God bless you WeStand.

1 Corinthians 13 NASB
13But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love.