Oneness

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The best way I can explain Oneness is to illustrate it like this. First of all there might be a chrysalis, the chrysalis becomes a caterpillar and the caterpillar becomes a moth or butterfly. But this cannot apply to God because the Father, Son and Holy Spirit co-exist together.
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how about a Cherry pie, cut it in three distinct pices and see this as looking at the pie three pieces and thefilling just flows right back together
Or take look at an egg. When one breaks the egg open is it an egg any longer? Does it not take all three parts of the egg to be an egg. Therefore the shell (Jesus) the White (Holy Ghost) and the yoke ( God the Father)

Now originally we were born in the image of God Body, Soul, and Spirit. And when Adam and Eve did what they did, man lost one of the three parts, known today as dead Spirit. And Christ came here to fulfill Law and Prophets and did do this then died and rose again to make us whole and this comes by belief, and only God can give. To be whole we need all three original parts yes?
Another analogy is water, steam and ice are all water yes, just in differant forms
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The best way I can explain Oneness is to illustrate it like this. First of all there might be a chrysalis, the chrysalis becomes a caterpillar and the caterpillar becomes a moth or butterfly. But this cannot apply to God because the Father, Son and Holy Spirit co-exist together.
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don't really get your explanation. There is no co existing, it is just one SPIRIT manifested in different ways. manifested in the flesh that we call The CHRIST, and also infilling us when we get born again, which we call the comforter, That is also the almighty SPIRIT, and that SPIRIT is HOLY, so we call it HOLY SPIRIT.

co existing in my eyes means that there is more than one existing together. and more than one is one too many. your avatar even says one GOD.
 
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homwardbound said:
how about a Cherry pie, cut it in three distinct pices and see this as looking at the pie three pieces and thefilling just flows right back together
Or take look at an egg. When one breaks the egg open is it an egg any longer? Does it not take all three parts of the egg to be an egg. Therefore the shell (Jesus) the White (Holy Ghost) and the yoke ( God the Father)

Now originally we were born in the image of God Body, Soul, and Spirit. And when Adam and Eve did what they did, man lost one of the three parts, known today as dead Spirit. And Christ came here to fulfill Law and Prophets and did do this then died and rose again to make us whole and this comes by belief, and only God can give. To be whole we need all three original parts yes?
Another analogy is water, steam and ice are all water yes, just in differant forms
hope to have helped
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That's right for the Trinity Homeward. :)

I'm sure we have met on another forum, I forget his screen name now but he used to use Cherry pie analogy a lot. :)

The other part you speak of is why we need to be born again, or better still born of the Spirit.
 
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homie is everywhere... LOL
 
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I admit I didn't know what the Greek word oida (3609a) meant until I googled it just now, apparently it means to know, understand or to have knowledge of. :)
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yeah, i think it is factual knowledge. really need that greek lexicon LOL. I have an e sword, but i think that isn't enough.... LOL
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Oida is inherent intutitive knowledge of the Spirit by communion of our spirit. It's contrasted with Gnosis and Epignosis, which are the escalation of acquired experiential knowledge from lesser to greater by increasingly more thorough participation in that which is known.

Neither is wisdom, prudence, or understanding, though all are interrelated. Gnosis puffs up. Love abounds in epignosis.

It's a vital study for the Christian walk. Oida is a grammatical form of Eido, which is "to see". It's the equivalent of seeing in the Spirit.
 
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yup. understood none of that.... LOL
 
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Here is an example for you. If you knew who these three are you would understand the Trinity. Why don't you have a stab at guessing their name.

Flight Lieutenant of the Royal Air Force
Lieutenant of the Royal Navy
Field Marshal of the British Army
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Ummm... This ain't Trinity. (Not that I care.)
 
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homwardbound said:
how about a Cherry pie, cut it in three distinct pices and see this as looking at the pie three pieces and thefilling just flows right back together
Or take look at an egg. When one breaks the egg open is it an egg any longer? Does it not take all three parts of the egg to be an egg. Therefore the shell (Jesus) the White (Holy Ghost) and the yoke ( God the Father)

Now originally we were born in the image of God Body, Soul, and Spirit. And when Adam and Eve did what they did, man lost one of the three parts, known today as dead Spirit. And Christ came here to fulfill Law and Prophets and did do this then died and rose again to make us whole and this comes by belief, and only God can give. To be whole we need all three original parts yes?
Another analogy is water, steam and ice are all water yes, just in differant forms
hope to have helped
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Are you a Modalist or a Trinitarian? Analogies are inane in regards to God. And saying man being Tripartite is in the image of a Triune God is fallacious. Why do people always do this? It's absurd.

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That's right for the Trinity Homeward. :)
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Nope. This isn't Trinity. Trinity is three hypostases/one ousia (three "persons"/one "being"). This is all very Modalistic. You're a bit confused.

I'm sure we have met on another forum, I forget his screen name now but he used to use Cherry pie analogy a lot. :)

The other part you speak of is why we need to be born again, or better still born of the Spirit.
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don't really get your explanation. There is no co existing, it is just one SPIRIT manifested in different ways. manifested in the flesh that we call The CHRIST, and also infilling us when we get born again, which we call the comforter, That is also the almighty SPIRIT, and that SPIRIT is HOLY, so we call it HOLY SPIRIT.

co existing in my eyes means that there is more than one existing together. and more than one is one too many. your avatar even says one GOD.
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How did Jesus pray to the Father and how did the Holy Spirit come upon Jesus when he was baptized? In fact we have all three at his baptism co-existing.
 
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How did Jesus pray to the Father and how did the Holy Spirit come upon Jesus when he was baptized? In fact we have all three at his baptism co-existing.
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GOD is omnipresent. The man-Christ prayed to the SPIRIT, and the SPIRIT also manifested as that dove during baptism. Just another manifestation.
 
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PneumaPsucheSoma said:
Are you a Modalist or a Trinitarian? Analogies are inane in regards to God. And saying man being Tripartite is in the image of a Triune God is fallacious. Why do people always do this? It's absurd.
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I dont know what homie is. He's a sweet guy though, dont agree with alot of what he says and he misunderstands a lot of my post, but he's sweet :p
 
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Are you a Modalist or a Trinitarian? Analogies are inane in regards to God. And saying man being Tripartite is in the image of a Triune God is fallacious. Why do people always do this? It's absurd.

Nope. This isn't Trinity. Trinity is three hypotheses/one ousia (three "persons"/one "being"). This is all very Modalistic. You're a bit confused.
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hypotheses: "one of the three real and distinct substances in the one undivided substance or essence of God."

You are dividing God up again. You cannot do that when He is ONE. Is a mother, wife and teacher three or One? I suggest she is ONE person the same as God is ONE God. You haven't got it have you.
 
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my kitchen isn't getting painted right now LOL. I dread putting the tape up and just going around the corners. LOL
 
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How did Jesus pray to the Father and how did the Holy Spirit come upon Jesus when he was baptized? In fact we have all three at his baptism co-existing.
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And this is what points to exactly what I've been referring to. ALL views share a central omission of misunderstanding that they're compensating for with their aspect and perspective of theological formulation.

You unintentionally represent an impotent god, just like all the other views. But nobody could dare be wrong and any way, of course. LOL.
 
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