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jinx

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PneumaPsucheSoma said:
Yeah, that's the attempted inference and conceptualization I was referring to. You say "the bible clearly talks of God in three persons". How so? By using personal pronouns?

The entire foundation for "persons" terminology in English is from the Greek hypostases. There aren't three of those in scripture for God. What you're doing is exactly what virtually every other Trinitarian does. You're deducing and inferring your way to justify a concept that you're predisposed to believe by indoctrination. You declare scripture as EXplicitly stating things that are implicit at best. Nowhere in the inspired text are F/S/HS referred to as "persons" (hypostases). God is a hypostasis, and the Son is the express image OF THAT hypostasis (Heb. 1:3).

As I said, all views share the same three omissions of misunderstanding. And all you present is inference declared as explicit fact. And somehow you think being a good ol' country boy makes your approach preferable for some reason. Most argue for simplicity and mystery.

Tell me... what is the difference between "person" and "being"? NOT your opinion. What is the actual language authority difference between them? Do you wanna do this in English (I assume) or in Greek?

You are a Conceptual Trinitarian; and most likely not an actual Trinitarian.
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dude I have no idea what your saying... QUIT USING BIG WORDS!!!!!
 
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jinx said:
I believe that there is an all mighty SPIRIT, who created everything and whose name is JESUS. This SPIRIT talked to moses, appointed David, and destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. That flesh died and 3 days later rose from the grave. And now that SPIRIT resides in every born again believer as the comforter. That SPIRIT is the Father of creation, The Son while here on earth as seen by man, and since it is a SPIRIT, it is naturally HOLY.
ONE SPIRIT, not a group of "persons".
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I can never explain things out-loud. always sounds better in my head....lol
 
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Earlmayknowornot said:
Who did Jesus pray to. Surely with your ED you can figure that out.
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See? This is the kind of stupid provocational drivel that always leads nowhere. Jesus (the prosopon) prayed to the Father (the hypostasis).

Why did Jesus say to tarry in Jerusalem that the may receive the Holy Spirit. Come on. I'm a redneck and you are a college grad. Who is schooling who.
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Seriously? Distinction and "threeness" isn't Trinity. You're just another Conceptual Trinitarian who isn't even an actual Trinitarian. It's the scourge of the modern Christian faith.

Beyond your weak attempts at inference, where are the "persons" above?

Is God three "persons"/one "being"? What's a "person"? What's a "being"? Define them.
 
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jinx

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<------hello!!!! oneness believer....:cool:
 
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In the beginning was the word and nothing was made with out the word and the word became flesh and dwelt among us. Did He pray to Himself?
 
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dyingeveryday

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In my opinion you just did.
 
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jinx

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PneumaPsucheSoma said:
You're a classic Sabellian. Oneness. Modalist. :)
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Thank You. I was beginning to feel left out. :cool:

Earlmayknowornot said:
In the beginning was the word and nothing was made with out the word and the word became flesh and dwelt among us. Did He pray to Himself?
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The flesh (the CHRIST) prayed to the SPIRIT, not 2 different spirits with one of them praying to the other.
 
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jinx

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hey, big words again. don't make me break out dictionary.com:p
 
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Earlmayknowornot

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PneumaPsucheSoma said:
Yep.



Yep.



Yep.



Nope. I answered you above. He prayed to the Father.

This is all very elementary nebulous inference and deduction on your part. It's not even a decent Trinity apologetic.
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Can you read the bible without inference. It always infers something. The blessings and the cursings what do they infer. John 3:16 what does that infer. The Holy Spirit leads us into what the word infers. Jesus spoke in parables that inferred to truths in the Spirit am I right or wrong.
 
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Pneumonia, If Jesus was and is God and there is only one how did He pray to the Father?
 
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Earlmayknowornot said:
Can you read the bible without inference. It always infers something. The blessings and the cursings what do they infer. John 3:16 what does that infer. The Holy Spirit leads us into what the word infers. Jesus spoke in parables that inferred to truths in the Spirit am I right or wrong.
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Trinity is a very intricately formulated doctrine with many details. But at least the actual doctrine is based on specific attempted inference. Your inference is just nebulous conceptualization with no real understanding of your own professed doctrine.

And you're confusing typology, allegory, metaphors, idioms, etc. with fundamental literal doctrine. So much for the redneck factor and "schoolin' someone".

I'd really prefer to be more reconciliatory, but Trinitarians generally conduct themselves in a manner that makes that... difficult. You're not really equipped to respesent your own professed doctrine.
 
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Abiding

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jinx said:
I just answered that.. The flesh, the man/CHRIST prayed to the SPIRIT.
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Hey maybe thats why i like reading your posts....no compound words:eek:
 
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jinx

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had to break out the dictionary. :eek:
 
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