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Then you do not believe the Truth. If you accuse me of teaching falsely then by all means show me and others who are reading this the Scriptures which back up your accusation against me. Can you do that? You can't because there are no Scriptures which contradict anything that i have said above, what i have said above contradicts what you personally believe, but not what the Word of God teaches.
You say that the Father did not create the Son, where do you base this belief from? because as far as i know Every Son was created by a Father. that is what makes them a son is it not. Jesus Himself said He was the Son of the Father in Heaven. When Jesus was being baptized the Father said "This is my beloved Son" Are you then saying that Father did not have a beloved Son as He testified that He did? The Father in Heaven Created Jesus Christ, Hello, Jesus is His Son, His firstborn of all creation, of everything that Jesus created that was physical. You do error not knowing the Truth, nor accepting the Truth when it is presented to you. if you disagree with what i have said above, then show me any Scriptures which back up what you believe, because i can show many Scriptures that back up the Truth, that Jesus Christ had a FAther in Heaven, and Jesus Christ came out of that Father in Heaven to the Earth, that Father created Jesus, hence the very reason the Father calls Jesus "MY beloved Son" whom He created. Careful friend in what you accuse others, calling that which is good evil is frowned upon in Heaven. i have told you the Truth which i have received from God, and you have not one Scripture which proves that otherwise, only your belief of what you think is True.
love you, and hope you will come to the Truth. Those who have the Holy Ghost will know the Truth when they hear it, Many who claim to know the Truth, will be weeping and gnashing their teeth when they are not taken to be in His, the Son of the Father in Heaven's Kingdom. Which when the New City Jerusalem gets here is will have BOTH the Father and Jesus in it, well that is what Scriptures plainly teach. Question is do you believe Scriptures or what you have been taught by others which are not backed up by any Scriptures?
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You say that the Father did not create the Son, where do you base this belief from? because as far as i know Every Son was created by a Father. that is what makes them a son is it not. Jesus Himself said He was the Son of the Father in Heaven. When Jesus was being baptized the Father said "This is my beloved Son" Are you then saying that Father did not have a beloved Son as He testified that He did? The Father in Heaven Created Jesus Christ, Hello, Jesus is His Son, His firstborn of all creation, of everything that Jesus created that was physical. You do error not knowing the Truth, nor accepting the Truth when it is presented to you. if you disagree with what i have said above, then show me any Scriptures which back up what you believe, because i can show many Scriptures that back up the Truth, that Jesus Christ had a FAther in Heaven, and Jesus Christ came out of that Father in Heaven to the Earth, that Father created Jesus, hence the very reason the Father calls Jesus "MY beloved Son" whom He created. Careful friend in what you accuse others, calling that which is good evil is frowned upon in Heaven. i have told you the Truth which i have received from God, and you have not one Scripture which proves that otherwise, only your belief of what you think is True.
love you, and hope you will come to the Truth. Those who have the Holy Ghost will know the Truth when they hear it, Many who claim to know the Truth, will be weeping and gnashing their teeth when they are not taken to be in His, the Son of the Father in Heaven's Kingdom. Which when the New City Jerusalem gets here is will have BOTH the Father and Jesus in it, well that is what Scriptures plainly teach. Question is do you believe Scriptures or what you have been taught by others which are not backed up by any Scriptures?
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Friend, how have i denied any of these things you accuse me of now? I believe the opening of John fine:
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word (Jesus), and the Word (Jesus) was with God (Father), and the Word (Jesus) was God. 2 The same (Jesus) was in the beginning with God (Father). 3 All things were made by him (Jesus); and without him (Jesus) was not any thing made that was made (Physical). 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
i understand the opening of John perfectly, it is your interpretation of the opening of John that is flawed, else explain to us as i have done above what all the verses mean and represent, do not just take one of the verses above and explain what you think it means please explain them all, especially the verse which teaches Jesus was WITH God. You can't because that is not what you believe is it?
How have i done this? i know that Jesus created the Earth and the entire universe. How is He NOT before Abraham? Jesus walked in the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve, He was before them as well. How have i in any way whatsoever denied this? please explain.
Is it not well known that Scriptures interprets Scriptures? Yes it is. Even Scriptures themselves teach that interpretation belongs to God, NOT to man. Scriptures interprets Scriptures. Does the Lord Jesus Give us any other examples in His Word that would help us to understand what He meant by saying the Father and i are ONE? Well yes He did leaves such an example, He said that the Husband and the Wife are no longer twain but ONE flesh. Tell me, Are they ONE flesh? Was He saying the Husband is the Wife or that Wife is the Husband, or was He teaching us that they two (husband and wife) or ONE. He also said He and His Father are ONE in a like manner. tell me, since we have Scriptures that plainly teach us what two being ONE is, why so you teach something contrary to the example Jesus HImself gave us? Jesus said He and His Father are ONE, HE did not say they are one and the same. They are ONE just as He gave the example the Husband and Wife are ONE. Again i challenge you to explain All the Verses, not just pick and choose which ones you will believe and which ones you will ignore or make voice.
JOhn 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Explain to me the Words of our Savior these verses, how can i be ONE with them? If i then can be ONE with them, what teaching says that Jesus and the Father are one and the SAME? False doctrines teach that. Teachings contrary to the Word of God. Those who pick and choose verses they will believe all the while ignoring or making void other verses in the Word of God will never come to the Truth in Jesus Christ, if what you believe contradicts even one verse in Scriptures then what you believe is wrong, there will be much weeping and gnashing by those who thought they knew the Truth and refused to hear it when it was presented to them, and backed up by the very Scriptures they say they believe. But Truth be told they only believe the parts that agree with their own thinking their own interpretation, but i have told you the Truth, and Scriptures reveal it.
As i said before if what i am saying contradicts ANY Scriptures then reveal them. else what i teach only contradict what you believe to be the Truth and not what Scriptures teach.
Love you all, may the Spirit of God open the eyes of this blind generation.
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Love you Brother Bowman.
You will know who has Jesus in them, by the Love they have one to another.
And i am telling you the Truth, i do love you and pray for you that you will come to the Truth in Jesus Christ.
If you Truly knew the Truth and it lived in you, you would not say what you have said about me above, you are angry at me without a cause, i have done nothing to you, nor have i said anything about you at all. And what i teach is what God has told me, you disagree with what i teach because of, well you see it by the way you respond.
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You will know who has Jesus in them, by the Love they have one to another.
And i am telling you the Truth, i do love you and pray for you that you will come to the Truth in Jesus Christ.
If you Truly knew the Truth and it lived in you, you would not say what you have said about me above, you are angry at me without a cause, i have done nothing to you, nor have i said anything about you at all. And what i teach is what God has told me, you disagree with what i teach because of, well you see it by the way you respond.
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Jesus said he is sujected to the father becuase he greater then him
(Hebrews 2:5-8) For it is not to angels that he has subjected the inhabited earth to come, about which we are speaking. 6 But in one place a certain witness said: “What is man that you keep him in mind, or a son of man that you take care of him? 7 You made him a little lower than angels; you crowned him with glory and honor, and appointed him over the works of your hands. 8 All things you subjected under his feet.” By subjecting all things to him, God left nothing that is not subject to him. Now, though, we do not yet see all things in subjection to him.
(Hebrews 2:5-8) For it is not to angels that he has subjected the inhabited earth to come, about which we are speaking. 6 But in one place a certain witness said: “What is man that you keep him in mind, or a son of man that you take care of him? 7 You made him a little lower than angels; you crowned him with glory and honor, and appointed him over the works of your hands. 8 All things you subjected under his feet.” By subjecting all things to him, God left nothing that is not subject to him. Now, though, we do not yet see all things in subjection to him.
(1 Corinthians 15:25-28) For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. 26 And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing. 27 For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.
So Jesus is in subjection to the father.
So Jesus is in subjection to the father.
Brother where is your LOVE for One another? Are you a Christian? Serious question, not trying to make you upset or anything, but i have read many of your post, and it seems to me you are mad at the world, and do not love others, which is a commandment we as Christians are commanded to do by Jesus Christ Himself. but it seems to me anyone who disagrees with you, or anyone you disagree with you express hostility and not love. If you need to talk about it, email me. Not saying you are, but many who are in bondage to sin, act exactly like you are acting, i can help you brother, let me know what it is that is causing you to have so much hate in your heart?
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Jesus had always been. He was in the beginning. .He is God. He became man to do what was required of Him to be our savior. He also never stopped being God. He has always existed. .same with the Holy spirit...He was sent to be our comfort and lead us into all truth..but He has always been. God is eternal He has no beginning and no End. God= Father + Jesus + Holy Spirit. All three are one God.
Jesus had always been. He was in the beginning. .He is God. He became man to do what was required of Him to be our savior. He also never stopped being God. He has always existed. .same with the Holy spirit...He was sent to be our comfort and lead us into all truth..but He has always been. God is eternal He has no beginning and no End. God= Father + Jesus + Holy Spirit. All three are one God.
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