OSAS doctrine denies the faith

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You are laid bare before the Lord and you are revealed for what you are.

You boldly tell God what He shall do according to your wisdom. Jesus said you are of your father the devil.

You argue against yourself. The more you argue sinlessness the more you reveal your deep crimson stain within.

No man can change himself. God changes every man who trusts in Christ for salvation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
The change is wrought through repentance...

2Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
2Co 7:11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.


1. Carefulness.
2. Clearing of wrongdoing (ie. restitution where possible).
3. Indignation over sin.
4. Fear of God.
5. Vehement desire for righteousness.
6. Zeal for righteousness.
7. Being clear or pure (word means purity in the Greek).

Godly sorrow working a CHANGE of mind is what needs to happen. Repentance means CHANGE OF MIND. A CHANGE OF MIND necessitates a CHANGE OF ACTION. Thus an adulterer who truly repents will forsake their adultery.

In the book of Acts they did not go around telling people to "trust in Christ." The called on people to REPENT and BELIEVE and to REPENT and DO WORKS MEET FOR REPENTANCE.

Only in 2015 has repentance been thrown out the window and replaced with a nebulous trust where one has to DO nothing.

Again you were unable to address any of the content I actually wrote and it will surely be the same with this post.
 

notuptome

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The change is wrought through repentance...

2Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
2Co 7:11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.


1. Carefulness.
2. Clearing of wrongdoing (ie. restitution where possible).
3. Indignation over sin.
4. Fear of God.
5. Vehement desire for righteousness.
6. Zeal for righteousness.
7. Being clear or pure (word means purity in the Greek).

Godly sorrow working a CHANGE of mind is what needs to happen. Repentance means CHANGE OF MIND. A CHANGE OF MIND necessitates a CHANGE OF ACTION. Thus an adulterer who truly repents will forsake their adultery.

In the book of Acts they did not go around telling people to "trust in Christ." The called on people to REPENT and BELIEVE and to REPENT and DO WORKS MEET FOR REPENTANCE.

Only in 2015 has repentance been thrown out the window and replaced with a nebulous trust where one has to DO nothing.

Again you were unable to address any of the content I actually wrote and it will surely be the same with this post.
One has to do nothing because one can do nothing. Grace is that comprehensive that there is nothing left to do. Repentance is the result not the means.

If you had any content it would be in direct contradiction to the bible.

When you set aside your prejudices and look you will find that saved by grace produces the things you claim to produce but lack. You cannot do anything good apart from God.

2 Corinthians 5:17 we are made a new creation in Christ the old is passed away and all things are made new. Only God can do that and Lucifer know it full well. That's not going stop him from claiming he can do it but he can't.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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For context please read...

The Pearl of Great Price: Two Types of Sin


My answer... I do not willfully sin.


Do you willfully sin? ie. sin knowingly (do that which is wrong when you know it is wrong).
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To look at your statement in the best possible light would be to say you are blinded to much spiritual reality. Every born again christian knows what sin is, therefore you are either perfect in your flesh or you commit wilfull sin. The truth is, you excuse your wilful sin as acceptable sin, a common occurrence among those who set an imaginary bar of what is acceptable and unacceptable sin. No sin is acceptable, that is why all need grace
 

DiscipleDave

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so your saying 24/7 you NEVER think of self,


Of course i think of self. When i am hungry, i think of self and get something to eat, when i am thirsty, i think of self and get hydrated. When i am dirty, i think of self and take a shower, when i am tired i think of self and get some sleep. But i do not obey the flesh and its desires, because it is written.

Rom_8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

NO condemnation to those who do not walk after the flesh. Therefore i do not obey my flesh and its evil desires. EVER.

Rom_8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

If then i obeyed my flesh and its desires, than i am minding the things of the flesh, and not walking in the Spirit. Therefore i do not mind the things of the flesh if it is sinful.

Rom_8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

This verse teaches me to kill the deeds of the flesh, to mortify them, to put them to death, to NOT DO THEM, if i kill the sinful deeds of the flesh i shall live, EXACTLY as the Word of God teaches.

Rom_13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Again yet another verse that plainly tells us, teaches us, instructs us, to NOT fulfil the lusts of the flesh, to NOT obey the flesh and its desires, Therefore i do not obey my flesh, because i am a servant of Jesus Christ, and i abide in the Word of God, that is to say, i live the Word of God, i am not like this generation that SAYS they are followers of Jesus Christ and do not obey the Word of God.

Gal_5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Yet another verse that plainly teaches NOT to obey the evil desires of the flesh.

Gal_6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

This verse more than any other verse prevents me from obeying the lustful desires of my flesh, Because i know God can't lie, and that this verse is TRUE, that if i comply with the lustful desires of my flesh and commit sin, that i WILL reap the corruption in my flesh because of it. God does not lie, and this verse is True. If you sow to your flesh, you WILL reap corruption in your flesh, and it will not be immediate, but in the future.

you CONTINUALLY think of others.
Of Course, you don't? Are we Christians not commanded by Jesus Christ to LOVE ONE ANOTHER. If i am not thinking of others, how can i obey that commandment given to me by Jesus? Of course i continually think of others. The question is, why don't you?

i use to, but Jesus and the Holy Ghost who live inside me, has helped me tremendously. i no longer get angry at all, i am one of those guys that people say "I have never seen him get upset or angry about anything"
i could give you many examples, but will only give you a few. If i am driving down the road, and my engine blows up, or water over heats, or have a blow out. i thank God, because maybe He just prevented me from getting hit by a train down the road, or prevented me from being in an accident, or worse yet, prevented me from causing an accident that harms others. Or if i am working as a temp at the Bureau of Child Development, and really liking the job wearing a tie and working on computers all day, and the ex-boyfriend of the girl i was just dating worked there too, and started a rumor that i was a convicted child molester, and i was let go because of it. i even told them who were letting me go, how easy it would be to prove that i was not a convicted child molester by doing a background check, but they said they were sorry and since i was only a temp they let me go. i did not get mad, i thought well God has something else for me to do, i wrote a letter to that rumor starter and i forgave him, telling him how i understood that he did not want me to work there and did what he thought he had to do to get rid of me, so he did not have to see the boyfriend of his ex-girlfriend. Another time i was punched in the face by a guy because of a misunderstanding, and i immediately looked at him and said "i forgive you". He must not have known what to do then, because he just stared at me, then walked away.
i counsel people on my internet ministry on Anger issues, how to deal with it, how to get it out of your life, if i can do it, so can you, so can all. The key thing i teach concerning anger, is when you feel yourself getting angry to remember this one thing "You choose how you are going to respond to this situation" The hardest thing to do though, is to think that BEFORE you get angry. But anger can be controlled. And it is very possible to completely get it out of your life. For me also, always knowing that Jesus is watching me, and that every single thought is being recorded in the Book of Remembrance, helps me to react in a way that i think will be pleasing to God. Sure i wanted to hit that guy back, but would that be pleasing to God if i do so? Am i being a witness of a good Christian? If i hit him back is that what Christians are suppose to do? It would have pleased me a great deal to hit him back, i use to be a correctional officer and worked in a maximum sercurity prison, i know how to take down people twice my size, i would have loved to have taken that guy down when he punched me. But would that please Jesus in who i serve? NO, i am commanded to LOVE ONE ANOTHER, therefore i need to love the man that just hit me, therefore i said to him, i forgive you, and meant it, and would have let him hit me again if it made him feel better. Later he came to me and appoligized, he was having a very bad day, something about his wife.

Of course i get frustrated, life is life, and life is a test, frustration comes because of not knowing what God wants me to do, what is the right thing to do, what would be pleasing to God, these things frustrate me. But i never commit sin because i am frustrated, i know who is in control of my life, i know who leads me to where ever i am going. i may get frustrated for a brief moment went i come upon a traffic jam, then immediately realize, that God is in control and i am suppose to be in the traffic jam right now, or i think and pray for anyone who may be in an accident that causes this traffic jam. Either way i am no longer frustrated because i am in a traffic jam, when someone could be seriously hurt up ahead.

and not do something you KNOW you should do. Never sin?
i do not say that i never sin, i say that i do not knowingly and willingly commit any sin. there is a difference. Lets say it is a sin to look upon a naked woman that is not your wife. Say i am driving home from work and i see a naked woman running across the road during an event of some kind. i did not knowingly or willingly look at the naked woman, it just happened and i committed sin because i looked upon a naked woman. Now if i think about it later, and lust, then i have chosen to commit sin, this is a sin that is knowingly and willingly committed.
So i do commit sins, i just don't knowingly and willingly commit any sins. Those sins are what i teach against, you know those who choose to fornicate, choose to lie, choose to steal, choose to commit adultery, choose to look at porn, choose to do illegal activities, choose to hate, choose not to forgive others, choose NOT to LOVE ONE ANOTHER, Choose not to help those in need, Choose not to give to the poor.

I am sorry, But I Have known some pretty righteous people who love God more than anything, and they can not claim this.
And now you know another.

Have you honestly looked at your life through they eyes of God lately?
If you did, I bet you would be horrified at the filth you saw!
Are you serious. i could not live as i do without doing what you just asked me to do. i walk every single second of the day knowing that everything i do is being recorded, is being watched by God. Angels watch my every move, not me only but everyone. i do all things to please Jesus, i could not do that, if i did not honestly look at my life as God sees it. If i thought there was any filth that God was seeing in me, i would be an idiot not to remove the filth, would i not be? If i know God see a particular filth in me, why on Earth would i not remove that filth from me, so He is not displeased in seeing that filth?
i walk every day as if Jesus is watching me. Try it the next time you are about to knowingly and willingly commit a sin.
It was when i was a kid that i realized something was wrong with being a Christian and knowingly and willingly committing sin. When i was a kid, Jesus was my invisible friend, so much so that on the school bus he sat next to me, you know as if saving the seat for someone. He was with me everywhere, i talked with Him, and at that time He did not talk to me, but that came later, but when He was my invisible friend, he was my BEST friend. But you know something, when i wanted to commit sin, Jesus was not around, i did not want Him to be around at those times, He did not see because He was not there during those times that i wanted to sin. Try it. Act as if Jesus is watching you always, right there with you, walking with you, then ask yourself where is He when you Choose to commit sin, where did He go? try it.
Anyways, He watches my every move, my every thought, my every actions, knowing that, do you think i am going to disappoint my Savior and Lord? So when i am tempted to commit sin, to do something that i know is wrong, i look to Jesus to help me, to give me His Power and Strength, because it sure is not in me to do it on my own, but looking to Him for help, He helps me. Knowing that He sees me, i do not do that which is filthy. i know that if God sees me, He is pleased with me, and does not see filth, because through Jesus, He has helped me to clean up that filth, and because of Him living in me, i believe

Php_2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

The problem is though, Who does not love darkness (Those who knowingly and willingly commit sin, love to commit that sin do they not? = Darkness) So because Jesus lives in me, and gives me Power and Strength to overcome all temptations, i am living in the light, and teach against sinning, to a generation who makes excuses for their sinning, who believe they can continue to live in sin, continue to obey the lusts of the flesh and still go to Heaven, still be accepted into the Kingdom of Heaven. i am light, because that light lives in me, i teach that which the light tells me to teach, and this world rejects it because it is light. Tell me, have i condoned any kind of sinning? Have i not said over and over and over again to LOVE ONE ANOTHER? Do i not teach to stop obeying satan, to start pleasing ONLY Jesus. Do these sayings sound like they come from demons or from God? What fellowship hath light with darkness. i teach the Truth in light, if anyone loves darkness, even if it is a little bit of darkness, they will not hearken to those who teach light. i teach to LOVE ONE ANOTHER, and to stop obeying satan, the Scriptures teach the same thing as well. But those who love to sin and have no intention to cease from those sins, will not hearken to the Words Jesus told me to teach to this generation. Heck, i myself ran from God when He told me i had to stop sinning, did not want to. And He sent an Angel to get me back on the path again, after living like the devil for many months, But because i ran, i have not heard His voice since, that was 1994. crying again, i can't help but cry every time i mention my running from God, Oh if i could only take it back. i know exactly how Kind David felt when he prayed and prayed to God to forgive him and not take his first born child from him. i too have prayed and prayed for Him to forgive me for running from Him, for not believing Him, only to hear Him speak to me again, i am still crying, i am still praying. . .
 
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DesiredHaven

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The change is wrought through repentance...

2Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
2Co 7:11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.


1. Carefulness.
2. Clearing of wrongdoing (ie. restitution where possible).
3. Indignation over sin.
4. Fear of God.
5. Vehement desire for righteousness.
6. Zeal for righteousness.
7. Being clear or pure (word means purity in the Greek).

Godly sorrow working a CHANGE of mind is what needs to happen. Repentance means CHANGE OF MIND. A CHANGE OF MIND necessitates a CHANGE OF ACTION. Thus an adulterer who truly repents will forsake their adultery.

In the book of Acts they did not go around telling people to "trust in Christ." The called on people to REPENT and BELIEVE and to REPENT and DO WORKS MEET FOR REPENTANCE.

Only in 2015 has repentance been thrown out the window and replaced with a nebulous trust where one has to DO nothing.

Again you were unable to address any of the content I actually wrote and it will surely be the same with this post.
That picture of godly sorrow which worketh repentance unto salvation can also be shown here as well

Luke 19:8 And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord; Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.

Jesus (who comes after John) who himself preached the baptism of repentance ( and unto whom) the publicans (such as Zacchaeus came to) and believed ( see Mat 21:32)

To what
Zacchaeus showed to the Lord

Luke 19:9 And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.

A picture of the godly sorrow that worketh repentance (as shown forth in example of Zaachaeus) unto which Jesus responds in accord to the salvation that comes of it.

Good post