OSAS true or false?

[kennethcadwell]

How many of your sins were in the future when Christ did the Work of the Cross? If Jesus died only for sins that are past, then we're all out of luck.

Now look up the places where God says all (including every and excluding none), yes, all sins are forgiven for those who receive the gift of forgiveness.

-JGIG

"ONE SACRIFICE FOR SINS FOREVER".... All sin that was ever or will ever be forgiven was forgiven at the Cross....the Cross is eternal and its power is beyond the temporal age ....

Only if you have repented and been baptized, Mark 16:16, Luke 13:3, Acts 2:38, Hebrews 10:19-25; and continue to confess your future sins, 1 John 1-2. Only then will your sins be covered by His blood, given remission.
They were not automatically forgiven, so that we do not have to do nothing. If that was the case then all people are saved, which is not the case, we still have to have our faith grounded in Him. Through that grounded faith in Him you repent and get baptized to receive that remission of sins.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

Once Saved Always Saved is True.

Eternal Security of the Born again Believer is Bible Doctrine.

 

[ChristIsGod]

So we don't have a choice?

Never said that. Foreknowledge goes hand-in-hand with Freewill. "Whosoever will" & "died for the sins of the world"
Can't have one without the other - He foreknew what we would choose until the day we die or are resurrected.

 

[notuptome]

First if you think one can not turn away from God's grace then you deny what Paul wrote in Galatians as he clearly told them they got bewitched by false teaching that turned them back away from God to being justified by the law, and then he tells them since they turned away from God they have fallen from grace. Once again I will go by what Paul said.

Second yes obedience is a requirement as it is all over the bible, especially the NT. And you have this scripture that I gave previously that I will give again;


Acts 5:32

And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Spirit, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Paul in writing to the church at Galatia was not writing to them about how to be saved but how to live after they were saved. Paul is writing to disciple them and help them to grow in Christ. The Galatians understood saving grace but were being taught by those who would not receive saving grace that they needed to fulfill the law to remain saved. Just like you teach. Paul said this is wrong since you can only be saved by grace you can only be kept by grace. You do not keep the law for the sake of maintaining your salvation. Grace maintains your salvation. Christ ministers our salvation by interceding fro us eternally before the Father in heaven.

Acts 5:32 is teaching that when you obey God by believing in Christ you will be saved and the Holy Spirit will come into your heart to abide with you forever. It is not about obeying some arbitrary set of rules to be saved. It is not about works we can do but about submitting ourselves to the righteousness of God in Christ. We are righteous in Christ not in our works. 2 Cor 5:21

So the question becomes are you just totally confused about how to be saved or are you unwilling to be saved the way God saves souls? I ask because you are not making any biblical sense in your understanding of soteriology according to the bible.

I hate to say it but it always comes down to how you were saved. Did you get a real Holy Spirit conversion or just a mental assent? I always hold out hope that those who do not understand are just the fruit of poor discipleship and not a false conversion.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[1joseph]

It wasn't bad numbers, but truly I did feel bad lying about it even though it was a taste it was still food....I knowingly lied and really do feel bad about it. I did ask God to forgive me and have decided that in the future if I made the same mistake I would not take the test.....

I know I joke around a lot but I am being serious on this question. When I knowingly lied and ask God to forgive me will He?

Hello, my sister friend,

Our new nature isn't happy when something of our old nature crops up. Stupid old nature!

You're a blessing to me. May our Gracious Lord continue to do His Work in that soft and pliable heart of yours. I know he will!

God bless you, and tell your hubby I said, "Hey."

 

[Dorcas]

My thought on this subject is that the notion of once saved always saved is not a bible teaching. It also doesn’t make sense that once we are saved we no longer are accountable for our conduct.
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Matt. 24:13 He who endures to the end will be saved.

Heb. 10:26, 27: If we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries.
[FONT=&quot]Jude 1:5[/FONT][SUP][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/SUP][FONT=&quot]I want to remind you of something you already know very well. The Lord, who once saved a people out of Egypt, later destroyed those who didn’t maintain their faith.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]

 

[kennethcadwell]

My thought on this subject is that the notion of once saved always saved is not a bible teaching. It also doesn’t make sense that once we are saved we no longer are accountable for our conduct.

Matt. 24:13 He who endures to the end will be saved.

Heb. 10:26, 27: If we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries.
Jude 1:5I want to remind you of something you already know very well. The Lord, who once saved a people out of Egypt, later destroyed those who didn’t maintain their faith.

You are correct in what you are saying.
The thing is with those who believe in OSAS they will try and tell you Matthew 24:13, 10:22 that both say the same thing have nothing to do with salvation/eternal life. And Hebrews 10:26-27 they either say not for us, or try and say only going to be justified by the law does that, all other sins are exempt.......
Then the one in Jude, they don't even account for them or others like it, or twist them to say something different......

 

[kennethcadwell]

Paul in writing to the church at Galatia was not writing to them about how to be saved but how to live after they were saved. Paul is writing to disciple them and help them to grow in Christ. The Galatians understood saving grace but were being taught by those who would not receive saving grace that they needed to fulfill the law to remain saved. Just like you teach. Paul said this is wrong since you can only be saved by grace you can only be kept by grace. You do not keep the law for the sake of maintaining your salvation. Grace maintains your salvation. Christ ministers our salvation by interceding fro us eternally before the Father in heaven.

Acts 5:32 is teaching that when you obey God by believing in Christ you will be saved and the Holy Spirit will come into your heart to abide with you forever. It is not about obeying some arbitrary set of rules to be saved. It is not about works we can do but about submitting ourselves to the righteousness of God in Christ. We are righteous in Christ not in our works. 2 Cor 5:21

So the question becomes are you just totally confused about how to be saved or are you unwilling to be saved the way God saves souls? I ask because you are not making any biblical sense in your understanding of soteriology according to the bible.

I hate to say it but it always comes down to how you were saved. Did you get a real Holy Spirit conversion or just a mental assent? I always hold out hope that those who do not understand are just the fruit of poor discipleship and not a false conversion.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

No they were already walking in God's grace, thinks to the teachings given to them by Peter and the other apostles. Then false teaching came in and drew them back to trying to be justified by the mosaic law, and Paul calls our Peter for letting this happen. And Paul tells the Galatians because they have gone back to being justified by the law, they have fallen from grace.

 

[notuptome]

No they were already walking in God's grace, thinks to the teachings given to them by Peter and the other apostles. Then false teaching came in and drew them back to trying to be justified by the mosaic law, and Paul calls our Peter for letting this happen. And Paul tells the Galatians because they have gone back to being justified by the law, they have fallen from grace.

How can you even claim to be a Christian? Grace is unmerited favor. Stress unmerited so that it can only be of God. God has pity on men lost in sin, if not they could not be saved. Mercy because they deserve condemnation not redemption.

Your position is an affront to Christ, His blood and the mercy of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

My thought on this subject is that the notion of once saved always saved is not a bible teaching. It also doesn’t make sense that once we are saved we no longer are accountable for our conduct.

That's a logical fallacy. The fact of eternal security doesn't automatically mean that there is no accountability. In fact, thinking there is no accountability is radically incorrect.

I asked this on another thread. You love your spouse. Your spouse loves you. Does it make sense that, knowing there is nothing that will cause your spouse to stop loving you, you would then feel free to have an illicit affair? That's equally ludicrous as thinking that one who surrenders in love to God's salvation plan would then take the diametrically opposing action to that love by violating its trust.

Matt. 24:13 He who endures to the end will be saved.

That is the most-often quoted out-of-context passage that supposedly "proves" eternal security is false. This isn't a passage describing church-age faith. It is a Tribulation passage, and the correct way to interpret this passage, as well as any verse in the Bible, is to compare, cross-reference, Scripture with Scripture. To claim that "endure" applies to salvation in Matthew 24:13 does not agree with Romans 4:5, i.e., a man's faith is counted for righteousness. This is the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ stated clearly by Paul in his second letter to the church at Corinth.

2 Corinthians, NASB
21 He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.​

Heb. 10:26, 27: If we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries.

Again, out of context and misinterpreted. The "knowledge" here is not saving faith. It isn't faith at all. It is just having heard the gospel and rejecting it. Obviously rejection of Christ is grounds for condemnation.

Jude 1:5 I want to remind you of something you already know very well. The Lord, who once saved a people out of Egypt, later destroyed those who didn’t maintain their faith.

Bad translation. It does not read, in the Greek, "didn't maintain their faith," but rather "who did not believe." Same thing as the Hebrews passage -- rejection of Christ.

Eternal security is what the Bible teaches, and if one does not believe that Christ can maintain what only He -- not you -- acquired for you, then you doubt and mistrust Christ, and that is something undertaken at one's own peril.

 

[Butch5]

Once Saved Always Saved is True.

Eternal Security of the Born again Believer is Bible Doctrine.

Where would one find that teaching in the Scriptures?

 

[Butch5]

How can you even claim to be a Christian? Grace is unmerited favor. Stress unmerited so that it can only be of God. God has pity on men lost in sin, if not they could not be saved. Mercy because they deserve condemnation not redemption.

Your position is an affront to Christ, His blood and the mercy of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I think "unmerited" is a Christian definition of Grace.

 

[kennethcadwell]

How can you even claim to be a Christian? Grace is unmerited favor. Stress unmerited so that it can only be of God. God has pity on men lost in sin, if not they could not be saved. Mercy because they deserve condemnation not redemption.

Your position is an affront to Christ, His blood and the mercy of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Why don't you go and actually read the epistle to the Galatians instead of trying to argue with me about what it says.

Galatians 1:2
And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:

[h=1]Galatians 1:6-7
I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.[/h]Galatians 2:11
But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.

Galatians 3:1
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

 

[Cycel]

Many believe in the "Once saved always saved" doctrine, but I know by scripture this doctrine is false, and is nothing more than wishful thinking. What are your thoughts on this subject?

I was with the understanding that all children are automatically saved. So, for instance, when I was in kindergarten I believed in God and started attending Sunday school. Had I died at that time I would automatically have gone to Heaven. Yes?

 

[tourist]

I was with the understanding that all children are automatically saved. So, for instance, when I was in kindergarten I believed in God and started attending Sunday school. Had I died at that time I would automatically have gone to Heaven. Yes?

Yes.......

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I was with the understanding that all children are automatically saved. So, for instance, when I was in kindergarten I believed in God and started attending Sunday school. Had I died at that time I would automatically have gone to Heaven. Yes?

Age has nothing to do with salvation, you must be born again of the Holy Spirit no matter how young or old.

 

[notuptome]

Why don't you go and actually read the epistle to the Galatians instead of trying to argue with me about what it says.

Galatians 1:2
And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:

Galatians 1:6-7
I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.

Galatians 2:11
But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.

Galatians 3:1
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

The point is mute. You read with an unbelieving heart so you cannot yet receive Gods truth. You can only stand milk. You must learn of grace, mercy and pity. You are not ready for meat. You are not ready to mature past baptisms and basic doctrines of the bible.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

Age has nothing to do with salvation, you must be born again of the Holy Spirit no matter how young or old.

Is there an age of innocence? At what age does a person become accountable to God?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

I think "unmerited" is a Christian definition of Grace.

Seems an inescapable conclusion to me. Do you deserve grace? Why would you deserve grace?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[kennethcadwell]

The point is mute. You read with an unbelieving heart so you cannot yet receive Gods truth. You can only stand milk. You must learn of grace, mercy and pity. You are not ready for meat. You are not ready to mature past baptisms and basic doctrines of the bible.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Really, all I did is give you clear cut scriptures to show what I was saying.
And all you do is come back with insults, and say I am not ready for the meat. Funny thing is I am teaching the meat, because I am past the milk of the word. You just don't want to accept what is right in front of you in scripture, and the insults are a clear showing of that.