Passover and Easter

[dcontroversal]

I must decline, but I will watch.......

Decline what bro.....the fact of what I stated....the word is Passover in Greek...not Easter....my post is good......so.......

 

[JaumeJ]

I am watching.......

 

[FranC]

Hey Mate, if I remember right the word is Passover in the Greek.......

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[TD="class: greek2"]πάσχα[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]Passover

ὃν καὶ πιάσας ἔθετο εἰς φυλακήν, παραδοὺς τέσσαρσιν τετραδίοις στρατιωτῶν φυλάσσειν αὐτόν, βουλόμενος μετὰ τὸ πάσχα ἀναγαγεῖν αὐτὸν τῷ λαῷ

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The word you highlighted is Pascha.

in ENGLISH it's translated as Easter.
Maybe it should have been Passover?

Just a thought.

 

[JaumeJ]

Still watching, have not even seen a sparkler............. Good, all is quiet.

 

[AllenW]

Ummm, you are wrong.

The celebration of Easter moves back and forth in the Spring following Passover. The date that Passover falls on is dictated by the old Jewish lunar calendar.

I'm not wrong.
You're wrong calling me wrong.
Jesus rose on the passover, not some day the Roman Catholic Church calls easter.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Whoa.. let's get through Valentine's Day before going on to Easter.. lol

 

[AllenW]

Easter always falls on the first Sunday following the first full moon after the vernal equinox.

Is that some kind of astrology or something?

 

[AllenW]

Whoa.. let's get through Valentine's Day before going on to Easter.. lol

Roses are red, violets are blue.....

 

[blue_ladybug]

Actually, violets are purple..

Roses are red, violets are blue.....

 

[p_rehbein]

uh, well, you are wrong for telling him he is wrong when he pointed out that you were wrong in the first place......

there's a reason it is called Resurrection Sunday...........Jesus rose when?

Mark 16:9) Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.


Sunday being the first day of the week........... K? ............. good

I'm not wrong.
You're wrong calling me wrong.
Jesus rose on the passover, not some day the Roman Catholic Church calls easter.

 

[Depleted]

Passover this year is April 10-18.
Easter is April 16.
thus, passover and easter fall on the same day this year.

It makes me wonder.
Why are they so often on different days?
Did the Roman Catholic church change this?
Are we still under their rules?

What's going on?
Is there some legitimate reason for the different days?
Are these reasons legitimate today?

Or are we as mature Christians, leaders of God's Holy church here on earth, to weak to know the truth, to learn the truth, to act on the truth.

First of all, does anyone even know the truth?

Something something about the solar calendar. I think moons are related.

Funny thing. There are actually two dates for Easter. The one we all assume is right, but the Greek Orthodox usually have it on the next weekend. Again, something something about the solar calendar. I read it once. Wasn't interesting enough for me to remember though.

We do live in the days of the Internet, so yeah. You can learn the truth.

 

[Magenta]

Is that some kind of astrology or something?

That is how the day for Easter is determined, and why it is not on the same date every year, moving around from late March following the vernal equinox, into mid-to-late April, depending on when the full moon is following the vernal equinox. The earliest Easter could be is right on the equinox, if it was also a Sunday and a full moon. The earliest Easter ever recorded in the Gregorian calendar from 1753 onwards was on March 22, both in 1761 and 1818.

I found this for you (https://www.timeanddate.com/news/holidays/early-easter-2008.html):

In the New Testament of the Bible, Jesus’ death and resurrection occurred around the time of the Jewish Passover, which was celebrated on the first full moon following the vernal equinox. Early sources showed that this soon led to Christians around the world celebrating Easter on different dates. At the end of the second century, some churches celebrated Easter on the day of the Passover, while others celebrated it on the following Sunday.

In 325 CE the Council of Nicaea established that Easter would be held on the first Sunday after the first full moon occurring on or after the vernal equinox. From that point forward, the Easter date depended on the ecclesiastical approximation of March 21 for the vernal equinox. Easter is delayed one week if the full moon is on Sunday, which decreases the chances of it falling on the same day as the Jewish Passover. The council’s ruling is contrary to the Quartodecimans, a group of Christians who celebrated Easter on the day of the full moon, 14 days into the month.

Comparative calendars

Although the Council of Nicaea established the Easter date for churches around the world, not all Christian churches observe Easter according the Gregorian calendar. Some churches still observe Easter under the Julian calendar.

The Gregorian calendar was created because the Julian calendar was slightly too long. With the Julian calendar, the equinox date moved towards the earlier dates of March and further away from the Easter. Therefore, the introduction of the Gregorian calendar allowed for a realignment with the equinox.

According to the Gregorian calendar, Easter falls on a Sunday between March 22 and April 25 from 1753 to 2400. In the Julian calendar, used by some eastern or Orthodox churches, Easter also falls on a Sunday from March 22 to April 25, which in the Gregorian calendar are from April 3 to May 10 from 1753 to 2400.

In 2008 Easter Sunday falls on March 23 in the Gregorian calendar and on April 27 in the Julian calendar, when converted to the Gregorian date. In 2007 Easter fell on the same date (April 8) in both calendars when the Julian date was converted to the Gregorian date. This happens in some years, such as 20 04, 2010 and 2011.

Table 1, below, shows the earliest Easter dates in both the Gregorian and Julian Calendars from 1753 up until the year 2400. The Julian calendar dates are converted to the dates shown in the Gregorian calendar.

Table 1. Earliest Easter Dates from 1753 to 2400.

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[TH="align: left"]Earliest Easter Dates
in the Gregorian Calendar[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Earliest Easter Dates in the Julian Calendar
(Dates Converted to Gregorian Calendar Dates)[/TH]
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[TD]March 22, 1761[/TD]
[TD]April 3, 1763[/TD]
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[TD]March 22, 1818[/TD]
[TD]April 4, 1790[/TD]
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[TD]March 22, 2285[/TD]
[TD]April 4, 1847[/TD]
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[TD]March 22, 2353[/TD]
[TD]April 4, 1858[/TD]
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[TD]March 23, 1788[/TD]
[TD]April 4, 1915[/TD]
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[TD]March 23, 1845[/TD]
[TD]April 4, 2010[/TD]
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[TD]March 23, 1856[/TD]
[TD]April 5, 1801[/TD]
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[TD]March 23, 1913[/TD]
[TD]April 5, 1885[/TD]
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[TD]March 23, 2008[/TD]
[TD]April 5, 1896[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]March 23, 2160[/TD]
[TD]April 5, 1942[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]March 23, 2228[/TD]
[TD]April 5, 1953[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]March 23, 2380[/TD]
[TD]April 5, 2037[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
[/TD]
[TD]April 5, 2048[/TD]
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[TD]
[/TD]
[TD]April 5, 2105[/TD]
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Table 2, below, shows the latest Easter dates in both the Gregorian and Julian Calendars from the years 1753 to 2400. The Julian calendar dates are converted to the dates shown in the Gregorian calendar.

Table 2. Latest Easter Dates from 1753 to 2400

[TABLE="class: hpad border1"]
[TR="class: head"]
[TH="align: left"]Latest Easter Dates
in the Gregorian Calendar[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Latest Easter Dates in the Julian Calendar
(Dates Converted to Gregorian Calendar Dates)[/TH]
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[TD]April 23, 1848[/TD]
[TD]May 7, 2051[/TD]
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[TD]April 23, 1905[/TD]
[TD]May 7, 2271[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]April 23, 1916[/TD]
[TD]May 7, 2344[/TD]
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[TD]April 23, 2000[/TD]
[TD]May 8, 1983[/TD]
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[TD]April 23, 2079[/TD]
[TD]May 8, 2078[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]April 23, 2152[/TD]
[TD]May 8, 2135[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]April 23, 2220[/TD]
[TD]May 8, 2146[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]April 24, 1791[/TD]
[TD]May 8, 2203[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]April 24, 1859[/TD]
[TD]May 8, 2287[/TD]
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[TD]April 24, 2011[/TD]
[TD]May 8, 2298[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]April 24, 2095[/TD]
[TD]May 8, 2355[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]April 24, 2163[/TD]
[TD]May 8, 2366[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]April 24, 2231[/TD]
[TD]May 9, 2173[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]April 24, 2383[/TD]
[TD]May 9, 2230[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]April 25, 1886[/TD]
[TD]May 9, 2241[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]April 25, 1943[/TD]
[TD]May 9, 2382[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]April 25, 2038[/TD]
[TD]May 9, 2393[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]
[/TD]
[TD]May 10, 2268[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
[/TD]
[TD]May 10, 2325[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
[/TD]
[TD]May 10, 2336[/TD]
[/TR]
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[Depleted]

Ummm, you are wrong.

The celebration of Easter moves back and forth in the Spring following Passover. The date that Passover falls on is dictated by the old Jewish lunar calendar.

Oh, cool! I did not know this. I kind of thought they came up with a calendar of X days in a year and X days in X amount of months, but it always works out that the first day of the year is Passover. And it changes little by little for us, simply because there aren't 365 days in a year. There are 365.25 days in a year (with an extra second thrown in every so often.)

I did not know they ever changed their calendar since that first Passover. I've learned something today. Cool!

 

[Depleted]

Hebrew roots- non truth.

Knee-jerk reaction because of his name and avatar, or do you know something I don't?

 

[Depleted]

Hizikya if you would send study to mail, i could do it at own pace.

Or, you could just bookmark this page and come back to it.

Or, you can copy/paste into a document and read at your own pace.

Personally, I wouldn't want to PM you with the same info simply because once was enough, and if it was too much, there are ways to absorb it over a longer haul. Unfair to ask the teacher take home your homework for you.

 

[Magenta]

I'm not wrong.
You're wrong calling me wrong.
Jesus rose on the passover, not some day the Roman Catholic Church calls easter.

Jesus ate a passover meal with His disciples before He was crucified. The Passover itself is a feast of seven days. Clearly Christ was given as the spotless Lamb, Whose blood saves those who place their faith in His sacrifice, just as those who placed the blood of their sacrificial lamb over their doorways were saved from the angel of death, during the last plague of the Egyptians, before Pharaoh allowed Moses' people to go, which was the first ever Passover, and a shadow of the reality found in Christ.

Non believers would sometimes try to argue that the three hours of darkness that fell while Jesus was dying on the cross were caused by a lunar eclipse of the sun, but that of course is impossible, because during a full moon, the sun is on the opposite side of the Earth as the moon.

 

[Depleted]

Just to clear something up. There is good reason many holidays fall on old secular celebrations.

The church was being hunted down and the people killed from the end of the first century. It really wasn't able to come out of hiding until Constantine took over Rome. AND, it wasn't the Catholic Church yet. (Despite the teachings, there really isn't lineage in the Catholic church for popes going back to Peter. It can be argued Constantine was the first Catholic pope, but it would be a long argument with no ending in sight. Churches weren't all that organized back then, because PEOPLE WERE HIDING! )

So the Christians were forced into hiding in catacombs and caves, private little groups away from society, but, guess what? Even in hiding you still have to trade with others. So what better way to not get caught and killed then to appear like everyone else? They celebrate the winter solstice; the Christians got together and celebrated Emanuel. "God is with us!" The birth of the Savior. They celebrate the spring equanox -- the rebirth? So did the Christians in the name of Christ, the one who gave us new birth! Who died for us that we might have life.

So, sure it is based on secular holidays, but we gave it new purpose, just like Paul gave new purpose to a word falling out of use in that time -- agape -- and guess whose purpose God honored? The one that honors him!

So, while you're all complaining that it's based on secularism, how's this for a thought? So is music! Does that mean there can't be any Christian music either unless we happened to know the notes the Psalmists played and have the instruments they played with?

I really wish people would stop treating this like it's a disease just because it wasn't originally a Christian holiday or the Catholics might have had something to do with it.

Do you not celebrate something of God on these holidays? If not, the problem is you, not the holiday!

 

[dcontroversal]

The word you highlighted is Pascha.

in ENGLISH it's translated as Easter.
Maybe it should have been Passover?

Just a thought.

Translated by whom....Episcopalian priests.....whose root was........Catholics........

Strong's Concordance

pascha: the Passover, the Passover supper or lamb​

Original Word: πάσχα, τό
Part of Speech: Aramaic Transliterated Word (Indeclinable)
Transliteration: pascha
Phonetic Spelling: (pas'-khah)
Short Definition: the feast of Passover, the Passover lamb
Definition: the feast of Passover, the Passover lamb.

 

[AllenW]

Actually, violets are purple..

This is a blue violet.
I grow them in my yard. (not me, my wife)

 

[AllenW]

uh, well, you are wrong for telling him he is wrong when he pointed out that you were wrong in the first place......

there's a reason it is called Resurrection Sunday...........Jesus rose when?

Mark 16:9) Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.


Sunday being the first day of the week........... K? ............. good

Yeah, in July, right?