Paul Said Flesh And Blood Cannot Enter Heaven But

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Paul Said Flesh And Blood Cannot Enter Heaven But didnt Jesus the first resurrected appear to the people and they touched him and ate with him for 40 days then he was taken up as flesh and blood. Am lately becoming disturbed by Pauls writings and this is the latest discovery
 
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At least you mentioned that Jesus Christ was taken up to Heaven as flesh and blood. 'Flesh' can also mean the sinful self, so it's not talking about the physical body. We'll have physical renewed bodies in the New Heaven and the New Earth.
 

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I agree with Tintin,

Remember Jesus was without a spot, He was perfect... Without Sin...

Our earthly bodies are beyond sinful...
How can Sin be apart of heaven, a place of God, this is why Lucifer was cast out (due to my knowledge of Lucifer).

So God made new bodies for us because our sinful ones can not be part of Heaven.

(sorry I am just putting my two cents in I wish I had scripture to point too... Sorry)
 
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He gives the explanation in I Cor. 15:44 just a few verses above what you quote. Flesh in his definition, is what we call the body, but his "body" (soma) is made of material derived from the psuche (this is the Greek for "natural", it matches the word nephesh (soul) in Gen. 2:7. The resurrected body is derived from the pneuma (spirit). It can look the same to earthly eyes, but it is different, as is shown by how fast Jesus travelled around after He rose, and how He walked into a locked room, presumably passing through the walls. So, technically, it does not have flesh (sarx), which in Greek, refers more to the edible nature of meat than it does in English.
 

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P.s. I personally Love Paul... He stood by his faith so strongly it astounds me... he goes into detail about his accounts with the whip, rod, and ship wrecking's and even more...

2 cor 11:24-25
Five different times the Jewish leaders gave me thirty-nine lashes.[SUP]25 [/SUP]Three times I was beaten with rods. Once I was stoned. Three times I was shipwrecked. Once I spent a whole night and a day adrift at sea.
 

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He gives the explanation in I Cor. 15:44 just a few verses above what you quote. Flesh in his definition, is what we call the body, but his "body" (soma) is made of material derived from the psuche (this is the Greek for "natural", it matches the word nephesh (soul) in Gen. 2:7. The resurrected body is derived from the pneuma (spirit). It can look the same to earthly eyes, but it is different, as is shown by how fast Jesus travelled around after He rose, and how He walked into a locked room, presumably passing through the walls. So, technically, it does not have flesh (sarx), which in Greek, refers more to the edible nature of meat than it does in English.
Interesting.

I often marvel that Yahshua the Messiah was able to eat...
 

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I agree with tintin and T_Laurich in as much as this is Christs glorified body:

Joh 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Hopefully we will be glorified with Him also.

Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Rom 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
 
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Loveme1, well, he is fully God and fully man. Eating food comes with the territory.
 

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Well, he is fully God and fully man. Eating food comes with the territory.
I like where Jesus prays, "O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."

And people try to say that Jesus never admitted his divinity and here he is stating it.
 

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P.s. I personally Love Paul... He stood by his faith so strongly it astounds me... he goes into detail about his accounts with the whip, rod, and ship wrecking's and even more...

2 cor 11:24-25
Five different times the Jewish leaders gave me thirty-nine lashes.[SUP]25 [/SUP]Three times I was beaten with rods. Once I was stoned. Three times I was shipwrecked. Once I spent a whole night and a day adrift at sea.
Paul is excellent in every way and it is so sad he gets misunderstood. :)
 
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Paul Said Flesh And Blood Cannot Enter Heaven But didnt Jesus the first resurrected appear to the people and they touched him and ate with him for 40 days then he was taken up as flesh and blood. Am lately becoming disturbed by Pauls writings and this is the latest discovery
Yeah .... me too. I never ever sin but Paul's writings suggest that my fleshly body has a carnal/sinful nature and that this flesh body is incapable of anything good or pleasing God. Obviously Paul didn't know that I and many others here that never sin (ever) were arriving on the scene. Naturally, my ability to be perfect and sinless isn't all my doing. Jesus gets some of the credit for that. Wait ... make that all of the credit .... otherwise, I'll appear to be boasting. But Christ said sin no more or My grace won't be sufficient for you (or something like that). And if you love Me, you will keep My commandments. Those who still sin on occasion or have fallen even once after salvation had better be aware that they broke God's commandments and are now without hope. If I were them, I'd simply give up. Just glad I'm not one of them. And that Paul guy ? Ignore what he wrote. He has to go. I kinda feel sorry for all the sinners here but hey .... it's their own darn fault for not listening.
 

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Your a comic. ;)
 
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So your saying Jesus flesh at resurrection was different just because he could appear in rooms, this is obviously your own opinion because Jesus made the Apostles touch him and he said....see I am flesh and blood but not a spirit. So I think he was resurrected as normal flesh though he was divine. Elijah was also taken up in the flesh, thats 2 people. Why didnt Paul say except for Jesus
 
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Paul Said Flesh And Blood Cannot Enter Heaven But didnt Jesus the first resurrected appear to the people and they touched him and ate with him for 40 days then he was taken up as flesh and blood. Am lately becoming disturbed by Pauls writings and this is the latest discovery
*[[1Co 15:50-53]] KJV* %v 50% Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. %v 51% Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, %v 52% In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. %v 53% For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

If you read other verses with it, it means coruptible sinful flesh cannot inherit the kingdom but, our bodies will be changed so we can enter heaven.
 
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*[[1Co 15:50-53]]

If you read other verses with it, it means corupttible sinful flesh cannot inherit the kingdom but, our bodies will be changed so we can enter heaven.
Your body might be changed but that won't be necessary with me .... because I never sin. I don't allow my flesh to be corrupt like you guys do.
 
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Unclefester is being appropriately silly.
 

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So your saying Jesus flesh at resurrection was different just because he could appear in rooms, this is obviously your own opinion because Jesus made the Apostles touch him and he said....see I am flesh and blood but not a spirit. So I think he was resurrected as normal flesh though he was divine. Elijah was also taken up in the flesh, thats 2 people. Why didnt Paul say except for Jesus
1 Cor. 15:50 - Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1 Cor. 15:53 - For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Paul meant that the corruptible flesh and blood, the mortal body, cannot inherit the kingdom of God. So, just as Jesus resurrected with a literal incorruptible body which the disciples were able to touch, so will believers' corruptible bodies be changed into incorruption at the first resurrection
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unclefester if you have nothing intelligent to say please just say nothing
 
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The first resurrection has already happened, graves were opened and many came out. I think were getting there, I believe Jesus was incorruptible at birth, he was raised.
 
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Paul Said Flesh And Blood Cannot Enter Heaven But didnt Jesus the first resurrected appear to the people and they touched him and ate with him for 40 days then he was taken up as flesh and blood. Am lately becoming disturbed by Pauls writings and this is the latest discovery
You are getting some good answers here but I would just point out that it does not say that flesh and blood cannot ENTER.

The Greek word which occurs two times there at 1 Cor 15:50 in no way means enter. It means inherit, and those two words have entirely different meanings.

As Tintin pointed out sin can never enter the kingdom of God as we are told in more than a few places of scripture.

However, even perfected flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of God. It must be inherited through our spirit being cleansed to God's spirit through our association with Christ, as neither does a corrupted spirit inherit incorruption.

That is why many need to see that they subtly believe a corrupted spirit does inherit incorruption and thus they fail to avail themselves to the full benefit in Christ.