Paul vs Jesus

[Tintin]

Tin? The new Sirk?

Same old Tintin with The Sirk's avatar in honour of him (for maybe a week or so).

 

[Grandpa]

Silence !!!!

 

[NarrowRoadDisciple]

So back to the OP and the list posted of "contradictions."
When we understand the context in which the scriptures are given, we realize there are 0 contradictions between Paul and Jesus. People often twist what Paul says and throw Paul out which is foolishness.

 

[NotmebutHim]

Meet the new troll
Same as the old troll........................

 

[Angela53510]

To the OP regarding his post #4.

Just reading those supposed "contradictions" briefly leads me to believe you have never actually read the Bible. Those scriptures are all totally ripped out of context.

I would go through every one and show you why they are not contradictions, but rumour has it you might be a troll, and so I am not going to bother and waste my time.

 

[Euphemia]

When Paul and Jesus contradict why douse Paul win? I like Jesus more, and Paul was not even a god.

Douse, indeed.

 

[JaumeJ]

Paul teaches he is a disciple of Jesus Christ. Paul teaches the gospel of Jesus Christ stressing there is no other gospel than that of Jesus Christ. Paul teaches all who believe the gospel belong to Jesus Christ, and not to Paul.

Many times when I have posted teaching of the Master, Jesus Christ, another who claims to believe Jesus Christ will attempt to refute what is being taught by misconstruing or twisting the words of Paul.

These latter not only are ignoring the teaching of the Master, they ignore the teaching of the very person, Paul, whom they quote.

It is beyond irony.............

 

[valiant]

When Paul and Jesus contradict why douse Paul win? I like Jesus more, and Paul was not even a god.

you'll have to hide your JW credential better. We know that Jesus IS GOD.

 

[p_rehbein]

When Paul and Jesus contradict why douse Paul win? I like Jesus more, and Paul was not even a god.

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[AugustaSteve]

I think there is confusion i studying the Word concerning administrations (ages). Jesus, in the gospels came for Israel, under the law. On the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:1ff), the law ended and mercy was given to gentiles as well, under grace. We can't look at things Jesus directed to Israel under the law and apply them to born-again ones living in the current age, the age of grace. If there are any apparent contridictions in the Word of God, it must be in the translation or in our understanding. I take scriptures like 2Ti 3:16 ,1Th 2:13 and Gal 1:11,12 literally, that is to say that the Word of God is truely the Word of god, not the word of godly men. Paul didn't wsit down and say to himself, "I think today, I'll write the Word of God. Gal 1:12 states, "For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ" (KJV). If Paul received the Word "..by the revealation of Jesus Christ", it's not possible for Jesus to contridict Himself.

 

[notreligus]

Please don't mistake me as a hyper-dispensational when I say this, but what some folk need to understand is that the Lord came first to the Jews and many of the things that Christ stated are quoted out of context because they are made to a specific audience.

Look at John 5:45, 46, for example. Jesus told the Jews that they had not believed what Moses said about Him in the Torah, and therefore they were condemned by Moses.

Look at John 8:54-59. Jesus is having another conversation with the Pharisees and when Jesus said that He knew Abraham and that Abraham had seen Him, the Pharisees wanted to stone Him.

Christ came to fulfill the Law and the prophecies about Him, so many of His statements in the Gospels are related to that.

Paul was personally called and taught by Jesus. We can see in Galatians that Paul did not begin his missionary journeys for seventeen years after he had been called. During that time the Lord taught him, plus Paul was waiting on the Jewish leaders of the Jerusalem church to give him marching orders. Peter had told Paul that he would get back to him but he never did. The Jewish leaders were still following many aspects of the Law. They were demanding immersion and circumcision of the Greek converts. Paul was at odds with the Jewish leaders of the church in Jerusalem. The Book of Acts, an historical account of the early church, shows us that these things we think are contradictions are not contradictions at all but part of the story of how it took the early church a long time to turn away from the Mosaic Law and to accept that they were now fully under the leadership of Christ and His New Covenant based on His shed blood. The Jews had emphasized works, but in Romans Chapter Five we read that it is not man's obedience to the Law that can reconcile us to God Almighty but that Christ's own obedience on the cross is that which has reconciled mankind to God.

 

[CS1]

1. On the time of the coming of the Lord:

Paul says:
Rom.13
[12] the night is far gone, the day is at hand.

Jesus says:
Luke.21
[8] Take heed that you are not led astray; for many will come in my name,
saying, . . . `The time is at hand!' Do not go after them.


2. On the source of the Truth and the true gospel:

Paul says:
1Cor.2
[13] And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who possess the Spirit.
Gal.1
[12] For I did not receive it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through a revelation of Jesus Christ.

Jesus says:
John.17
[14] I have given them thy word;
[17] Sanctify them in the truth; thy word is truth.


3. On the God of the dead:

Paul says:
Rom.14
[9] For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.

Jesus says:
Luke.20
[38] Now he is not God of the dead, but of the living;


4. On the sum of the commandments:

Paul says:
Rom.13
[9] The commandments, "You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not covet," and any other commandment, are summed up in this sentence, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

Jesus says:
Matt.22
[37] And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38] This is the great and first commandment.
[39] And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[40] On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets.


5. On whom God has mercy:

Paul says:
Rom.9
[15] For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."
[16] So it depends not upon man's will or exertion, but upon God's mercy.
[18] So then he has mercy upon whomever he wills, and he hardens the heart of whomever he wills.

Jesus says:
Matt.5
[7] Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.


6. On forgiveness of trespasses:

Paul says:
Eph.1
[7] In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace
Rom.4
[25] who was put to death for our trespasses and raised for our justification.

Jesus says:
Matt.6
[14] For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you;
[15] but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.


7. On being justified:

Paul says:
Rom.3
[24] they are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus,
[28] For we hold that a man is justified by faith apart from works of law.
Rom.5
[9] Since, therefore, we are now justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.

Jesus says:
Matt.12
[37] for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.


8. On the cost of eternal life:

Paul says:
Rom.6
[23] For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Jesus says:
Matt.19
[29] And every one who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands, for my name's sake, will receive a hundredfold, and inherit eternal life.
Luke.14
[28] For which of you, desiring to build a tower, does not first sit down and count the cost, whether he has enough to complete it?
[33] So therefore, whoever of you does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple.


9. On what is honorable among men:

Paul says:
2Cor.8
[21] for we aim at what is honorable not only in the Lord's sight but also in the sight of men.
Rom.12
[17] Repay no one evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all men.
Rom.14
[18] he who thus serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men.
1Cor.10
[33] just as I try to please all men in everything I do, not seeking my own advantage, but that of many, that they may be saved.

Jesus says:
Luke.16
[15] But he said to them, You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts; for what is exalted among men is an abomination in the sight of God.
Luke.6
[26] Woe to you, when all men speak well of you, for so their fathers did to the false prophets.


10. On Dying:

Paul says:
I Corinthians 15
31: I protest, brethren, by my pride in you which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die every day!

Jesus says:
John 11
26: and whoever lives and believes in me shall never die.


11. On the basis of judgment:

Paul says:
Rom.2
[12] All who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.

Jesus says:
John.12
[48] He who rejects me and does not receive my sayings has a judge; the word that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day.


12. On the commandments and eternal life:

Paul says:
Rom.7
[9] I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died;
[10] the very commandment which promised life proved to be death to me.

Jesus says:
Matt.19
[17] And he said to him, Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.


13. On your father:

Paul says:
1Cor.4
[15] For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel.
Phlm.1
[10] I appeal to you for my child, Ones'imus, whose father I have become in my imprisonment.

Jesus says:
Matt.23
[9] And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.


14. On qualifying for eternal life:

Paul says:
Rom.5
[21] so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Jesus says:
John.5
[24] Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears my word and believes him who sent me, has eternal life; he does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.


15. On the destiny of the creation (heavens and earth):

Paul says:
Rom.8
[21] because the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and obtain the glorious liberty of the children of God.

Jesus says:
Matt.24
[35] Heaven and earth will pass away,


16. On the destiny of the Law and the Prophets:

Paul says:
Rom.10
[4] For Christ is the end of the law, that every one who has faith may be justified.

Jesus says:
Matt.5
[17] Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them.
[18] For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.


17. On the number and identity of teachers:

Paul says:
1Cor.12
[28] And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third, teachers,
Eph.4
[11] And his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers,
1Tim.2
[7] For this I was appointed a preacher and apostle (I am telling the truth, I am not lying), a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.
2Tim.1
[11] For this gospel I was appointed a preacher and apostle and teacher,

Jesus says:
Matt.23
[8] But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren.


18. On the number to be saved:

Paul says:
Rom.11
[25] Lest you be wise in your own conceits, I want you to understand this mystery, brethren: a hardening has come upon part of Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles come in,
[26] and so all Israel will be saved; as it is written, "The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob.

Jesus says:
Matt.7
[13] Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many.
[14] For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few.


19. On the number and identity of pastors (shepherds):

Paul says:
Eph.4
[11] And his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors (shepherds) and teachers,

Jesus says:
John.10
[16] And I have other sheep, that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will heed my voice. So there shall be one flock, one shepherd.


20. On the number and identity of leaders:

Paul says:
1Cor.4
[15] For though you have countless leaders in Christ . . ..

Jesus says:
Matt.23
[10] Neither be called leaders, for you have one leader, the Christ.

21: On total depravity:

Paul says:
Rom.3
[9] What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all; for I have already charged that all men, both Jews and Greeks, are under the power of sin,
[10] as it is written: "None is righteous, no, not one;
[22] For there is no distinction;
[23] since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, . . ..

Jesus says:
Matt.12
[35] The good man out of his good treasure brings forth good, and the evil man out of his evil treasure brings forth evil.
Luke.6
[45] The good man out of the good treasure of his heart produces good, and the evil man out of his evil treasure produces evil; for out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.
Matt.23
[35] that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of innocent Abel to the blood of Zechari'ah the son of Barachi'ah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar.


22. On unconditional election:

Paul says:
Rom.9
[16] So it depends not upon man's will or exertion, but upon God's mercy.

Jesus says:
Matt.7
[21] Not every one who says to me, `Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
[22] On that day many will say to me, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' [23] And then will I declare to them, `I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.


23. On sacrifices to God:

Paul says:
1Cor.5
[7] For Christ, our paschal lamb, has been sacrificed.
Eph.5
[2] And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.

Jesus says:
Matt.9
[13] Go and learn what this means, `I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.'

24. On remuneration for preaching the gospel:

Paul says:
1Tim.5
[17] Let the elders who rule well be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in preaching and teaching;
[18] for the scripture says, "You shall not muzzle an ox when it is treading out the grain," and, "The laborer deserves his wages.
1Cor.9
[11] If we have sown spiritual good among you, is it too much if we reap your material benefits?
[12] If others share this rightful claim upon you, do not we still more?

Jesus says:
Matt.10
[7] And preach as you go, saying, `The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'
[8] Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You received without paying, give without pay.


25. On how one becomes a child of God:

Paul says:
Rom.8
[23] and not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.
Gal.4
[5] to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.

Jesus says:
John.3
[3] Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is begotten from above,* he cannot see the kingdom of God.
[6] That which is begotten of the flesh is flesh, and that which is begotten of the Spirit is spirit.
[7] Do not marvel that I said to you, `You must be begotten from above.*

* John 3:3 and 3:7 are the author's translations. These differ from the RSV only in the expression "begotten from above" that replaces "born anew' in the RSV. "Born anew" does not represent the fullness of what Jesus is stating here, and does not correspond to the literatal translation of the Greek, anothen (a()nwqen).

well from what I see in your post you have misunderstood the harmony of scriptiures and over looked the unity of scriptures. and taken them out of context I will just uses # 1 ok

1. On the time of the coming of the Lord:

Paul says:
Rom.13
[12] the night is far gone, the day is at hand.

Jesus says:
Luke.21
[8] Take heed that you are not led astray; for many will come in my name,
saying, (u Missing something here). . . `The time is at hand!' Do not go after them. You misquoted the verse where is: " (I AM Christ") : " and the time drawth near".

so the context has been mislead by your post and what Jesus said in one with other scriptures that paul himself quoted show very clearly the mistakes in your outlines of all verses you used