Phony Bibles

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pete9

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There issue is that it is not a phony Bible.
People use it their whole lives and serve God very well with it.
Trying to say the issue is with technicalities is idiotic.
I think it is up to God whether or not those people are serving Him "very well"...
 

AllenW

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Well there is no denying that truth is always important. A major hoax was perpetrated on the Christian world but unfortunately there were only a few who saw through it, and even to this day many Christians are not aware of what really happened with the Bible and to the Bible. As to people getting saved, even a Gospel tract will often suffice. But that is not the issue.
The issue is that it is not a phony Bible.
People use it their whole lives and serve God very well with it.
Trying to say the issue is with technicalities is idiotic.

You should let everyone know you are basing all your beliefs on the King James Bible.
It is no better than any other Bible.
It never has been.
Pilgrims came to this country using the Darby Bible, not the King James.

I wonder what your agenda is here.
Your name is not John but you don't want to say what it is.
You don't allow people to send you personal messages.
And you say you got saved when you were 7 years.
Care to give us a testimony about when you got saved and how it changed your life?
 
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pete9

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#43
You should let everyone know you are basing all your beliefs on the King James Bible.
It is no better than any other Bible.
It never has been.
Pilgrims came to this country using the Darby Bible, not the King James.

I wonder what your agenda is here.
Your name is not John but you don't want to say what it is.
You don't allow people to send you personal messages.
And you say you got saved when you were 7 years.
Care to give us a testimony about when you got saved and how it changed your life?
I know this is to AllenW, but I must ask..about the Pilgrims.. So what if they did? Did God say they were great Christians? I'm not sure why it would matter otherwise. I don't know anything special that they did other than surviving their journey. The same was done at other places.
 

AllenW

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I know this is to AllenW, but I must ask..about the Pilgrims.. So what if they did? Did God say they were great Christians? I'm not sure why it would matter otherwise. I don't know anything special that they did other than surviving their journey. The same was done at other places.
The point is that most people I've ever talked to about it think King James was the Bible of the day and it wasn't.
Real Christians didn't like the apocrapha being there and the King saying it was the Bible of England.

And anyone who tries to enforce their beliefs based on the King James Bible, I find offensive.
 
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pete9

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The point is that most people I've ever talked to about it think King James was the Bible of the day and it wasn't.
Real Christians didn't like the apocrapha being there and the King saying it was the Bible of England.

And anyone who tries to enforce their beliefs based on the King James Bible, I find offensive.

I don't try to enforce my beliefs at all, and the KJV is not my most favorite. But I do detest paraphrased and want literal translations only.
 
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Some of these new bibles can say anything u neva know these days like the message. its da best to stay with the King James Bible its been here for 400 years for english speaking peoples stick with it. no reason to compare translations and buy da newest version pick one and believe it. the version shopping preachers dont believe in da authority of God's word so they have to quote different translations to make it fit their doctrine. if someone goes back to da greek and is always correcting the bible thats a warning sign too especially if they dont even speak greek.
I'd rather read what you have to say in KJ English than this dribble.

They at least started their sentences with capital letters and weren't too lazy to spell "the".
 

John146

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#47
The issue is that it is not a phony Bible.
People use it their whole lives and serve God very well with it.
Trying to say the issue is with technicalities is idiotic.

You should let everyone know you are basing all your beliefs on the King James Bible.
It is no better than any other Bible.
It never has been.
Pilgrims came to this country using the Darby Bible, not the King James.

I wonder what your agenda is here.
Your name is not John but you don't want to say what it is.
You don't allow people to send you personal messages.
And you say you got saved when you were 7 years.
Care to give us a testimony about when you got saved and how it changed your life?
Do you have a Bible you read, study and trust every word as your final authority?
 
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Zi

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#48
People who have time to low blow about spelling and grammar have too much pride.. How happy I will be to hear you are not a missionary.. How on earth can anyone reach people with such closed minds
I'd rather read what you have to say in KJ English than this dribble.

They at least started their sentences with capital letters and weren't too lazy to spell "the".
 
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People who have time to low blow about spelling and grammar have too much pride.. How happy I will be to hear you are not a missionary.. How on earth can anyone reach people with such closed minds
You're not a missionary?

It's not just street people or jungle people or people in foreign countries that need to be reached.

Some who are lost actually speak better English than you or me...and we can hear their front doors shut from our couches we're so close.

"Da" isn't a word in English. I still prefer the KJ English over that dribble. If my comments bother you, you have the luxury of being able to put me on ignore.


 

tanakh

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I was studying up on the history of the modern translations, and I ran into Darby. That guy was clearly one with satan. But what's worse is that it appears that most of the modern translations are just copies of his work, and not even original translations at all! Go to bible.cc and compare verses to see for yourself. John 6:69 is a good one to look at. Go to bible.org/netbible and look up this verse - look at the baloney they put in there to describe why they chose that Darby translation. Even their own explanation exposes them. I wonder how the NET Bible people could spend so much time pretending to be scholars when they simply copied Darby. There is a list of Darby changes on the internet. See for yourself!

Im glad to hear that there is at least one person on this site that hasnt been taken in. John Darby was the main inventor and promoter of Dispensationalism which includes the Pre trib Rapture teaching. He was a member of the Plymouth Brethren but finding them to liberal for his taste formed a breakaway group now known as the exclusive Brethren. It was for all intents and purposes a cult. It still exists and like the Mormons has fractured into opposing groups. His Bible is the only one they use
 
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AllenW

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Im glad to hear that there is at least one person on this site that hasnt been taken in. John Darby was the main inventor and promoter of Dispensationalism which includes the Pre trib Rapture teaching. He was a member of the Plymouth Brethren but finding them to liberal for his taste formed a breakaway group now known as the exclusive Brethren. It was for all intents and purposes a cult. It still exists and like the Mormons has fractured into opposing groups. His Bible is the only one they use
And which group do you belong to?
 

tanakh

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Oh...so you're one of them.....
What do you mean by ''One of them?'' If you are referring to the groups in my original post then that would be a ridiculous assumption. If you are referring to my CC membership then I am registered with the group as you are yourself.

on one of your posts you state that you have better things to do than criticize Darby. Yet you joined the thread and your still here. Which leaves me wondering why?
 
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pete9

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I think we should find out how far left members are before we assume that they are Christians and equally entitled to the respect of their opinions..
 

graceNpeace

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First of all, I'm not looking for "just fine" when it comes to God's word. I'm looking for God's perfect, pure and holy preserved words to read and study.

Second, when is language a barrier with our Lord? What was the original of the following passage:
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Not at all. God can and has provided a translation of Scripture that is just as good or even better than the originals. Let us not put more emphasis on the originals than God. God's pure and perfect word is not bound by "original" languages.
NO English translation is perfect.
If your reference is to the KJV then that is just simply a false statement!

If you want to get all the nuances of the original texts then learn the original languages...

NO translation from one language into another can fully express every single nuance of the original language - that is a fact!
 
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NO English translation is perfect.
If your reference is to the KJV then that is just simply a false statement!

If you want to get all the nuances of the original texts then learn the original languages...

NO translation from one language into another can fully express every single nuance of the original language - that is a fact!
Name one concept from Greek or Hebrew that can't be expressed in English or any other language.
 
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graceNpeace

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Name one concept from Greek or Hebrew that can't be expressed in English or any other languar.
I think you are trying misunderstand me!
Of course the concepts can be explained.
The question with a Bible translation is how many words do you want to use?
It is easy enough to write several paragraphs that explains every nuance of a sentence in Greek or Hebrew/Aramaic.
It is NOT so easy to pack all that understanding into a single sentence approximately the same length as the original.

You have already admitted to me that you are totally clueless as far as the original languages are concerned so your arguments are not exactly based on sound knowledge of the subject at hand...
 
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I think you are trying misunderstand me!
Of course the concepts can be explained.
The question with a Bible translation is how many words do you want to use?
It is easy enough to write several paragraphs that explains every nuance of a sentence in Greek or Hebrew/Aramaic.
It is NOT so easy to pack all that understanding into a single sentence approximately the same length as the original.

You have already admitted to me that you are totally clueless as far as the original languages are concerned so your arguments are not exactly based on sound knowledge of the subject at hand...
Ok let me put it another way, what knowledge have you gained by studying Greek and Hebrew that can't be learned in English?