Pillars of Smoke

[Echo]

Here's what I was thinking was the fulfillment of that prophecy...

Joel_2:30
And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.


(Act 2:16)
But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

Act_2:19
And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

You are not quoting from the King James Version. Man changed the wording in all other Bibles!
NICE TRY THOUGH!!!

 

[Word_Swordsman]

Joel was a prophet sent with a message to Judah and Jerusalem, not New York City. Let me try to prove that.

Jesus prophesied wisely, along the line of Joel testifying to an unthinkable event 3 decades later in AD 70. Luke 21:5-6 (KJV) [SUP]5 [/SUP] And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

That literally happened, the Romans reducing those magnificent monuments to the foundation. They left a part of the western wall, not considered part of the temple. In fact, the Romans carried the stones off to build their own buildings. Later Muslims used them when they took over Jerusalem.

The city was ruined, burned down, used as a garbage heap by various conquering populations. But that was in AD 70. Joel prophesied around 770 BC a very similar event in Joel 2:30 , for Judah/Jerusalem, but in Joel we come to an earlier mysterious event the Jews of Jesus day couldn't imagine. Joel 2:28 (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

Well, that's the part Peter said was fulfilled at Pentecost, in Acts 2:15-21 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
[SUP]17 [/SUP] And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
[SUP]18 [/SUP] And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
[SUP]19 [/SUP] And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
[SUP]20 [/SUP] The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
[SUP]21 [/SUP] And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Reading the gospels about Jesus experience on the cross I find those signs in the sky, and the earthquake beneath, the darkness in the daytime, the tongues of fire on the folks in the upper room, etc. So that part of Joel was fulfilled in that same month, from crucifixion to Pentecost. It also all happened in Jerusalem.

Just a thought.

 

[Yet]

I put in 'pillars of smoke' in my bible search and nothing came up. Do you have a bible reference for the term?

Outside of churches, when the religious shams r over, many light up those little white torches in their mouths. Little pillars of smoke ascend upward toward heaven as incense before our God. As that what we r talking about here?

 

[Echo]

Joel was a prophet sent with a message to Judah and Jerusalem, not New York City. Let me try to prove that.

Jesus prophesied wisely, along the line of Joel testifying to an unthinkable event 3 decades later in AD 70. Luke 21:5-6 (KJV) [SUP]5 [/SUP] And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

That literally happened, the Romans reducing those magnificent monuments to the foundation. They left a part of the western wall, not considered part of the temple. In fact, the Romans carried the stones off to build their own buildings. Later Muslims used them when they took over Jerusalem.

The city was ruined, burned down, used as a garbage heap by various conquering populations. But that was in AD 70. Joel prophesied around 770 BC a very similar event in Joel 2:30 , for Judah/Jerusalem, but in Joel we come to an earlier mysterious event the Jews of Jesus day couldn't imagine. Joel 2:28 (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

Well, that's the part Peter said was fulfilled at Pentecost, in Acts 2:15-21 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
[SUP]17 [/SUP] And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
[SUP]18 [/SUP] And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
[SUP]19 [/SUP] And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
[SUP]20 [/SUP] The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
[SUP]21 [/SUP] And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Reading the gospels about Jesus experience on the cross I find those signs in the sky, and the earthquake beneath, the darkness in the daytime, the tongues of fire on the folks in the upper room, etc. So that part of Joel was fulfilled in that same month, from crucifixion to Pentecost. It also all happened in Jerusalem.

Just a thought.

You people are trying to divert away from the subject of the number of the beast. I don't need you to explain the bible to me... I know it well.

Revelation means "to reveal". I am showing you people the truth about the "number & mark". It says that it is the number of a man. The number is the "Social Security Number" & the man is "Franklin Delano Roosevelt".

it just so happens that the phrase "for it is the number of a man" adds to the same number as "Social Security Number"... (252)! FRANKLIN DELANO ROOSEVELT | SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER | HERE IS WISDOM = (267) + (252) + (147) = 666. How can you people be so delusional to the point of not understanding something that's as plain as night & day?

 

[OnThisRock]

I do believe that God reveals revelation, Himself, differently to each believer. Sometimes it is a revelation to each believer as God gives regarding their purpose on earth. I recently had some something revealed to me about certain things that I am to be doing, and if I told people they would think I was nutz. So, I think just because it has not been revealed to everyone does not mean that certain things are not revelations from God. This is part of a personal relationship.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

You people are trying to divert away from the subject of the number of the beast. I don't need you to explain the bible to me... I know it well./QUOTE]

Your opening line in the OP cited Joel 2:30 as linked directly to 911. That scripture was plainly meant for Judah and Jerusalem in particular, in advance of their denial that God would allow Rome to destroy their beloved city. Jesus and Joel prophesied of that period, Joel almost 800 years before Jesus. He spoke of the same signs as were written in the gospel of Jesus' crucifixion. Jesus described the dismantling of the temple His disciples were so impressed with, which happened about 30 years later.
I've given this a lot of study, convinced your basis for the numbers has nothing to do with what happened 2000 years ago. Those prophecies of Joel and Jesus were fulfilled. However, Joel's could have a dual application, the same signs happening again in Jerusalem in the tribulation, timed around the desecration of a possible new temple by the "son of perdition" (2 Thess 2:4)

Another reason Joel 2:30 doesn't match with the WTC towers is the lack of some signs. One is a great earthquake. The ground shook when each tower fell, but that wasn't of biblical proportions. What happened at Golgotha did match some of the signs, like darknesss covering the whole earth, but what happened in AD 70 matched all the signs in Joel.

But, I do agree numbers and number multiples of words and verses in the Bible are very significant, useful for figuring out what issues like you are attempting to do. You just have the wrong scripture passage. Muslims destroyed the towers and could have been inspired by Satan, but the tribulation antichrist is not yet revealed, and won't reveal until his time is come.

I had the option to decline Soc. Sec, having a different retirement plan. I have been asked many years ago to show my SS card when buying a house. The folks I know not having that plan have not reported inability to buy or sell without one. They can supply their taxpayer account number for critical identification. Besides, any problems with that will show up in the tribulation. If the mark of the beast would be just a card, the bearer could just tear it up and go live on creek water, nuts and rabbits most anywhere but in Israel.

 

[dcontroversal]

The Answer is in my threads. Apparently you haven't read them, or you don't comprehend what you read.

Hey Slice, No reason to get mouthy as I was asking questions only....so...Instead of asking questions should I have just said that you don't know what you are talking about and are one brick shy of a load?

 

[Echo]

You people are trying to divert away from the subject of the number of the beast. I don't need you to explain the bible to me... I know it well./QUOTE]

Your opening line in the OP cited Joel 2:30 as linked directly to 911. That scripture was plainly meant for Judah and Jerusalem in particular, in advance of their denial that God would allow Rome to destroy their beloved city. Jesus and Joel prophesied of that period, Joel almost 800 years before Jesus. He spoke of the same signs as were written in the gospel of Jesus' crucifixion. Jesus described the dismantling of the temple His disciples were so impressed with, which happened about 30 years later.
I've given this a lot of study, convinced your basis for the numbers has nothing to do with what happened 2000 years ago. Those prophecies of Joel and Jesus were fulfilled. However, Joel's could have a dual application, the same signs happening again in Jerusalem in the tribulation, timed around the desecration of a possible new temple by the "son of perdition" (2 Thess 2:4)

Another reason Joel 2:30 doesn't match with the WTC towers is the lack of some signs. One is a great earthquake. The ground shook when each tower fell, but that wasn't of biblical proportions. What happened at Golgotha did match some of the signs, like darknesss covering the whole earth, but what happened in AD 70 matched all the signs in Joel.

But, I do agree numbers and number multiples of words and verses in the Bible are very significant, useful for figuring out what issues like you are attempting to do. You just have the wrong scripture passage. Muslims destroyed the towers and could have been inspired by Satan, but the tribulation antichrist is not yet revealed, and won't reveal until his time is come.

I had the option to decline Soc. Sec, having a different retirement plan. I have been asked many years ago to show my SS card when buying a house. The folks I know not having that plan have not reported inability to buy or sell without one. They can supply their taxpayer account number for critical identification. Besides, any problems with that will show up in the tribulation. If the mark of the beast would be just a card, the bearer could just tear it up and go live on creek water, nuts and rabbits most anywhere but in Israel.

The mark of the beast is different from the number. The mark of the beast is the "Universal Products Code". You should know this, if you've been reading my threads?

You can't buy or sell without money, and you work a job to earn money. You can't get a job without the #SSN... the number of the beast. You cannot sign contracts, or purchase expensive items such as houses, cars... etc. without the #SSN! You can't own a business without the #SSN, and when a business owner orders his products... the products are tattooed with the "mark of the beast... the UNIVERSAL PRODUCTS CODE (UPC)!!! When consumers shop they can't buy the product without the UPC on it.

Joel2:30 is not referring to the destruction of the temple. You are showing your ignorance again regarding scripture!

 

[RickyZ]

You people are trying to divert away from the subject of the number of the beast. I don't need you to explain the bible to me... I know it well.

How can you people be so delusional to the point of not understanding something that's as plain as night & day?

Comments like this expose you to be a fraud. And incredibly self centered. When you learn to speak to people with love instead of contempt, then you will understand scripture.