Please help me. This hurting me and making me feel like Jesus doesn't want me.

[Exoaria]

11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”
~1 Corinthians 11-13


[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I suppose you could say that I've taken this verse personally, and I have difficulty applying it to everything else that Paul said about the sinful nature of the world under the dispensation of grace. For example in the next chapter he goes on to give a list of people that will not inherit the Kingdom of God which describes a lot of me and what I struggle with.

Now, I claim to be a Christian. My testimony is that I am a Christian and I am vehemently against sin, but I also understand that I am going to fall under it (and do fall under it every day) because of my nature. Since I have come to Jesus sin has lost its power, and although it tempts me and I choose to do things that I shouldn't under temptation or anger, it is no longer my master. It's not something I wake up smiling about, plotting to do the next bad thing because it's so attractive - it's not attractive. Jesus is attractive.

Now that we have taken my situation, I also understand that I am made righteous and on good terms with God because the condition for his love and blessings are based on my belief in His Son and not on my actions or my works. That's the requirement for the current dispensation of grace that I am under ... According to Hebrews, and somewhat according to Paul in Romans.

Now, Hebrews tends to make me very comfortable in the love of God. It really exposes the New Covenant for what it is and how the gentiles are now part of the house of Israel that God is now loving wholeheartedly for those in Christ. I read the Bible and it has changed me, it makes me happy knowing that God wants to work with me and loves me, He has a plan for me to prosper and lead me away from sin so that He will be my master.

Yesterday morning I read this, and it took away my sense of righteousness in Christ, it took away my comfort knowing that just as Abraham was righteous by faith that by the New Covenant the blood of Jesus has made my sins like wool. Let's face it, each day I am sinning and if not in my actions than in my heart. I feel hatred and disdain towards other people, I undress girls in my mind, I struggle with temptations, I count my dollars sometimes greedily wishing for more, I create false idols by spending and loving my assets more than God and sometimes spend days just focusing on my computer and video games rather than God putting them before him, I am deceitful by nature and find myself telling lies and bending the truth to suit me. I know that I am sinful, but I also have felt that God will work with me and that with all my fellow Christians we can walk together in the love of Jesus to strive to be transformed as our minds are constantly renewed with the revelation of Christ Jesus.

But... now I feel as I should be expelled from the church. I'm not afraid to admit that I am wicked, I am a sinner. I struggle with sin every day, and I have felt as if it is not my master and that each day Jesus was working with me, encouraging me and letting me know that he loves me no matter what as all my problems started to lose their power - but of course I was still a sinner. I still am.

Paul is making me feel like I should just stop trying. He is making me feel like Jesus loves me under the condition that I do not struggle with sin, and that I have no place in the church because I would just be a bad bit of yeast ruining the rest of the batch. He makes me feel like I should stay home with the Atheists and sinners where I belong and not contaminating the body of Christ with myself. I'm beginning to want to do this because that verse has destroyed my confidence, it has made me feel like unless I am perfect, a Christian should not even want to eat with me. But all the other unbelievers at least know their sin, and love and accept me because they know they are just as bad as me.

Like he said, he has no business judging those outside of the church. God would judge them. Inside of the body of Christ, God would judge me according to Jesus and see me as perfect righteousness but Paul would then see me as a sinner because I am a sinner. Outside of the body of Christ, Paul could not judge me but I would be filthy and unclean, on my way to Hell. Either way 1 Corinthians makes me feel like I belong to Satan anyway and I couldn't please anyone no matter how I tried to improve.

Romans 8:1 (also by Paul) helped me so much when it said "There is now no condemnation for those in Christ" and I felt like no matter what I struggle with, I would have fellowship and love with other Christians regardless of the holes I fall into. That there would be no judgement, because my sins were left at the cross, and I could continue to encourage others struggling and that I could be encouraged as well as we focused on Christ and allowed him to transform us. But then 1 Corinthians 5:11 just described all the greed and lust within me, saying that I should be cast out.

I don't know, it's just hurting my feelings so much. It's making me feel like Jesus doesn't want me, that I should just be handed over to Satan anyway and that I'm a hopeless sinner (which I already knew.)

The reason I'm writing this is to vent my pain and hurt, and maybe someone can relate. Perhaps someone could prove this wrong and maybe what I am feeling is just a lie from the devil. As far as I am concerned now, after I have come so far with Jesus, is that I am just a useless and worthless sinner that should just stop trying right now because I'm only going to struggle with sin anyway, and unless I can be perfect (which I cannot, I NEED a savior) that I should just be expelled form the body of Christ and no Christian should even eat with me.


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[lbrah4]

Its ok!!! We all sin..EVERYONE... This is why Jesus came to free us from that bondage of sin to God! God knows whats in your heart, and you will be judged based on that alone. We all struggle with sin and Pauls letter was in his own opinions according to Gods word, in sense trying to help those Corinth with all the stuff going on here. Jesus came to save us, that is why he would eat with prostitutes, thieves, and murderers! He even said something about that in Mathew I believe! The Devil will tempt you, especially if he knows your close to God. I have trouble dealing with my sins too, and it eats at me too and at times I feel like God is far from me as well. He is always with us and if he wasn't then he would be a liar, and God is not a liar! Take comfort in his word, don't read so much into what Paul writes because he is very strict and is more disciplined in his approach with God. Any Christian that denies you or shuns you is not a true Christian. I am with you, and God is with you Exoaria!!!!

 

[RickyZ]

The day you stop worrying about these things, is the day you should start worrying about these things.

The fact that you agonize over all this evidences that Christ is still calling you and you are responding. If that were not so then you wouldn't care. If you're openly sinning and not trying to fight it then you're to be ostracized. If you're fighting the fight but you take a hit now and then, you're to be encouraged and welcomed. And remember, satan doesn't want you close to Christ, so he'll twist up every lie he can (even using the truth of the Word) to make us feel Christ doesn't want us to be close to Him. As long as you fight the fight, don't ever think you're unwelcome in God's house no matter what failures you may suffer. To feel otherwise is to be condemned by the devil, not Jesus or Paul.

 

[Missachu]

You are partially right about being the flawed sinner that you are. You have done very well with your battle, but you are not as mature as you could be. It's a long road to perfection and even though you can never be perfect, there's a big stretch where you can establish your place. There are a few things you should know, think about and work on.

1) In order to get into heaven, you must be without spot or wrinkle. God only takes in the elite. The best of the best.

2) In order to fully submit to God and let him transform you and your life, you must "Take up your Cross" meaning to deny yourself and who you are. Not become who you want to become, but who GOD wants you to become. This is a very hard step if you are in your teen years and are establishing your own identity, are considered a "free spirit" or strive to be unique.

When you do submit, he will change your mind ,body,spirit and soul. So even if you see an attractive woman, you will acknowledge that she is attractive and that you like her in a physical way,but you wont be undressing her with your eyes or even dwelling on the sexual aspect of it. Everything will be more simple for you in an "It is what it is" aspect and sinning won't become so much an issue anymore. It will be ignoring the demons who buzz around your ears constantly.

3) Anything that tells you it's time to give up, is a demon. Because believe it or not, Jesus is always encouraging us to peruse the impossible.

 

[Ariel82]

11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”
~1 Corinthians 11-13


I suppose you could say that I've taken this verse personally, and I have difficulty applying it to everything else that Paul said about the sinful nature of the world under the dispensation of grace. For example in the next chapter he goes on to give a list of people that will not inherit the Kingdom of God which describes a lot of me and what I struggle with.

Now, I claim to be a Christian. My testimony is that I am a Christian and I am vehemently against sin, but I also understand that I am going to fall under it (and do fall under it every day) because of my nature. Since I have come to Jesus sin has lost its power, and although it tempts me and I choose to do things that I shouldn't under temptation or anger, it is no longer my master. It's not something I wake up smiling about, plotting to do the next bad thing because it's so attractive - it's not attractive. Jesus is attractive.

Now that we have taken my situation, I also understand that I am made righteous and on good terms with God because the condition for his love and blessings are based on my belief in His Son and not on my actions or my works. That's the requirement for the current dispensation of grace that I am under ... According to Hebrews, and somewhat according to Paul in Romans.

Now, Hebrews tends to make me very comfortable in the love of God. It really exposes the New Covenant for what it is and how the gentiles are now part of the house of Israel that God is now loving wholeheartedly for those in Christ. I read the Bible and it has changed me, it makes me happy knowing that God wants to work with me and loves me, He has a plan for me to prosper and lead me away from sin so that He will be my master.

I'm with you so far....

Yesterday morning I read this, and it took away my sense of righteousness in Christ, it took away my comfort knowing that just as Abraham was righteous by faith that by the New Covenant the blood of Jesus has made my sins like wool. Let's face it, each day I am sinning and if not in my actions than in my heart. I feel hatred and disdain towards other people, I undress girls in my mind, I struggle with temptations, I count my dollars sometimes greedily wishing for more, I create false idols by spending and loving my assets more than God and sometimes spend days just focusing on my computer and video games rather than God putting them before him, I am deceitful by nature and find myself telling lies and bending the truth to suit me. I know that I am sinful, but I also have felt that God will work with me and that with all my fellow Christians we can walk together in the love of Jesus to strive to be transformed as our minds are constantly renewed with the revelation of Christ Jesus.

which would be God convicting you of your sins but also giving you hope by telling you that "God will work with me and that with all my fellow Christians we can walk together in the love of Jesus to strive to be transformed as our minds are constantly renewed with the revelation of Christ Jesus.

But... now I feel as I should be expelled from the church. I'm not afraid to admit that I am wicked, I am a sinner. I struggle with sin every day, and I have felt as if it is not my master and that each day Jesus was working with me, encouraging me and letting me know that he loves me no matter what as all my problems started to lose their power - but of course I was still a sinner. I still am.

I don't think the passage is about you being expelled from the church. it is about people who are unrepentant, who refuse to admit that they are sinning but instead try to get people sin with them.

Paul is making me feel like I should just stop trying.

that's not Paul but a misunderstanding of his words and the purpose of his words.

He is making me feel like Jesus loves me under the condition that I do not struggle with sin, and that I have no place in the church because I would just be a bad bit of yeast ruining the rest of the batch. He makes me feel like I should stay home with the Atheists and sinners where I belong and not contaminating the body of Christ with myself.

that's not true. Jesus came for the ill, the sinners not those who are well because the righteous don't need a Physician.

I'm beginning to want to do this because that verse has destroyed my confidence, it has made me feel like unless I am perfect, a Christian should not even want to eat with me. But all the other unbelievers at least know their sin, and love and accept me because they know they are just as bad as me.

and that is how Satan isolates and destroys people, by getting them to believe a lie and then surrounding them with people who will put voice to fears and other lies and sink that person in deeper deception.

Do you really think that all Christian don't have sins they need Jesus' to wash clean with His blood?

the difference between atheist and Christians is that Christians look to Jesus to help them overcome their sinful nature while most atheist will rejoice in their sins.

Like he said, he has no business judging those outside of the church. God would judge them. Inside of the body of Christ, God would judge me according to Jesus and see me as perfect righteousness but Paul would then see me as a sinner because I am a sinner. Outside of the body of Christ, Paul could not judge me but I would be filthy and unclean, on my way to Hell. Either way 1 Corinthians makes me feel like I belong to Satan anyway and I couldn't please anyone no matter how I tried to improve.

whisphered lies again. have you noticed the pattern and motive behind them yet? who would want to have you believe that you belong to Satan?

Romans 8:1 (also by Paul) helped me so much when it said "There is now no condemnation for those in Christ" and I felt like no matter what I struggle with, I would have fellowship and love with other Christians regardless of the holes I fall into. That there would be no judgement, because my sins were left at the cross, and I could continue to encourage others struggling and that I could be encouraged as well as we focused on Christ and allowed him to transform us. But then 1 Corinthians 5:11 just described all the greed and lust within me, saying that I should be cast out.

I don't know, it's just hurting my feelings so much. It's making me feel like Jesus doesn't want me, that I should just be handed over to Satan anyway and that I'm a hopeless sinner (which I already knew.)

The reason I'm writing this is to vent my pain and hurt, and maybe someone can relate. Perhaps someone could prove this wrong and maybe what I am feeling is just a lie from the devil. As far as I am concerned now, after I have come so far with Jesus, is that I am just a useless and worthless sinner that should just stop trying right now because I'm only going to struggle with sin anyway, and unless I can be perfect (which I cannot, I NEED a savior) that I should just be expelled form the body of Christ and no Christian should even eat with me.

there is no MAYBE about it. Its a spiritual attack.

An attempt to make you feel useless and unworthy.

We are all unworthy of God's love, but its shows God's mercy and ability to forgive.

It teaches us to love those who hurt and belittle us. it teaches us to forgive others even when we believe they don't deserve it.

I believe the verses should be read along with the understanding that comes with these:

2 Thessalonians 3
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For we hear that there are some who walk among you in a disorderly manner, not working at all, but are busybodies. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Now those who are such we command and exhort through our Lord Jesus Christ that they work in quietness and eat their own bread.



[SUP]13 [/SUP]But as for you, brethren, do not grow weary in doing good. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And if anyone does not obey our word in this epistle, note that person and do not keep company with him, that he may be ashamed. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Yet do not count him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.


the point is not to make the sinner your enemy but to make them aware of their sin and their need for repentance. it is to judge out of love what is right and what is sinful. it is a form of admonishment and after the person actually listens and repents then they are returned to the fellowship, forgiven and cleansed of the old leaven.

 

[Exoaria]

That's all well and good.

I think I made this thread when I was very emotional about it.

I'm deserving of Hell either way. If Jesus died for me, but I'm going to be outcast when I don't act the same way that other people act or I'm living a life displeasing to them, then Atheism is the road for me.
Obviously Atheism isn't the correct term, because I believe that Jesus died and rose again. You can just count me as a person who is too ignorant and inconsiderate to take up the responsibility appointed to him and is paving their way to destruction. I think I will always believe in the work of Christ, and I felt a relationship between Him and I forming, but I guess I'm making the decision to "depart from the faith" just as the Holy Spirit predicted. I'm a sinner, who knows if Jesus would work with me or not; he probably would. But the walk with Jesus is obviously filled with people who will kick me out when I am living in something that they don't agree with, an unbeliever wouldn't do that. As you said, they would be pleased with it.

Jesus said he would rather me be hot or cold than lukewarm. So I might as well be cold, because if I ought to be excluded for my sin then I will be a very lonely person. If I'm going away from the body of Christ, then I must have never really been for the body of Christ. For if I were for it, then I would have continued with it. Therefore I was probably never for it.

Either way, thanks. The scriptures have corrected me. I originally thought that Jesus was about Romans 8:1 and that's what drew me to him. If this is a spiritual attack, then I guess I should be grateful to the enemy for showing me the truth that if I am to continue with Jesus, that I will be expected to judge other Christians by their fruits, and I can expect to be judged by my fruits and excluded if they are not good enough.

If God only accepts the best and the most elite, I can't do it. Sorry. I don't have the desire nor the will to live a life pleasing to the Lord. The dispensation of Mosaic Law and Grace are almost exactly the same thing to me now.

Thanks for revealing the truth to me guys. Bless you all, if I can even say that anymore.
I hope you all have a wonderful walk.

 

[Grandpa]

My daughter told me that the Church is not a museum for good People but a Hospital for the broken and sick.

The Lord Jesus said that He didn't come for the Righteous but for sinners.

With that in mind Jesus Christ came for all of us and we all belong in church...

 

[Cobus]

Exoaria, HYPOCRATES are the ones that tells you to STOP sinning but they sin themselves.... No writer in the Bible was a hypcrate, but NEW creatures GOD MADE....

My friend I just hate it when a person says WE ALL SIN.... then that means there is no end to sin. And like you I HATE SIN. I think that is the FIRST part of God CALLING us... Our realization that we NEED JESUS....

Here is the thing... Straight from the Bible.... God said.... DRAW NIGH TO GOD, AND HE WILL DRAW NIGH TO YOU....
Everytime I open my Bible, I draw nigh to God. And my friend here is the BEST NEWS....

When we ENTER INTO GOD THERE IS NO MORE SIN..... Then we can LOVE LIKE JESUS.... with a PURE HEART. Then we will not be shy or guilty, but FREE AND BOLD....

There is NO GOOD news if you tell me I will always be a sinner like the church people and the lame sinners typing all kinds of nonsence... Nope Jesus says HE WAS MANIFESTED TO TAKE AWAY OUR SINS... not like false teachers say the penalty of sin... THE SIN ITSELF IS REMOVED....

Here is my advice for you.... Read your Bible from Genesis 1:1 and ASK GOD TO SHOW YOU HIS WAY, AND HIS PEACE, AND HIS REST IN RIGHTEOUSNESS....

There is only ONE place where God gives us GLORY..... IN HIM... And here is something just for you....
The NAME OF THE LORD IS A STRONG TOWER, THE RIGHTEOUS RUN INTO AND THEY ARE SAFE (or they are set aloft) Imagine being lifted on high by GOD!!!! WOW!

Let you and I take that WAY my friend.... I also need Jesus to take me high...

 

[4enlightment]

11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”
~1 Corinthians 11-13


I suppose you could say that I've taken this verse personally, and I have difficulty applying it to everything else that Paul said about the sinful nature of the world under the dispensation of grace. For example in the next chapter he goes on to give a list of people that will not inherit the Kingdom of God which describes a lot of me and what I struggle with.

Now, I claim to be a Christian. My testimony is that I am a Christian and I am vehemently against sin, but I also understand that I am going to fall under it (and do fall under it every day) because of my nature. Since I have come to Jesus sin has lost its power, and although it tempts me and I choose to do things that I shouldn't under temptation or anger, it is no longer my master. It's not something I wake up smiling about, plotting to do the next bad thing because it's so attractive - it's not attractive. Jesus is attractive.

Now that we have taken my situation, I also understand that I am made righteous and on good terms with God because the condition for his love and blessings are based on my belief in His Son and not on my actions or my works. That's the requirement for the current dispensation of grace that I am under ... According to Hebrews, and somewhat according to Paul in Romans.

Now, Hebrews tends to make me very comfortable in the love of God. It really exposes the New Covenant for what it is and how the gentiles are now part of the house of Israel that God is now loving wholeheartedly for those in Christ. I read the Bible and it has changed me, it makes me happy knowing that God wants to work with me and loves me, He has a plan for me to prosper and lead me away from sin so that He will be my master.

Yesterday morning I read this, and it took away my sense of righteousness in Christ, it took away my comfort knowing that just as Abraham was righteous by faith that by the New Covenant the blood of Jesus has made my sins like wool. Let's face it, each day I am sinning and if not in my actions than in my heart. I feel hatred and disdain towards other people, I undress girls in my mind, I struggle with temptations, I count my dollars sometimes greedily wishing for more, I create false idols by spending and loving my assets more than God and sometimes spend days just focusing on my computer and video games rather than God putting them before him, I am deceitful by nature and find myself telling lies and bending the truth to suit me. I know that I am sinful, but I also have felt that God will work with me and that with all my fellow Christians we can walk together in the love of Jesus to strive to be transformed as our minds are constantly renewed with the revelation of Christ Jesus.

But... now I feel as I should be expelled from the church. I'm not afraid to admit that I am wicked, I am a sinner. I struggle with sin every day, and I have felt as if it is not my master and that each day Jesus was working with me, encouraging me and letting me know that he loves me no matter what as all my problems started to lose their power - but of course I was still a sinner. I still am.

Paul is making me feel like I should just stop trying. He is making me feel like Jesus loves me under the condition that I do not struggle with sin, and that I have no place in the church because I would just be a bad bit of yeast ruining the rest of the batch. He makes me feel like I should stay home with the Atheists and sinners where I belong and not contaminating the body of Christ with myself. I'm beginning to want to do this because that verse has destroyed my confidence, it has made me feel like unless I am perfect, a Christian should not even want to eat with me. But all the other unbelievers at least know their sin, and love and accept me because they know they are just as bad as me.

Like he said, he has no business judging those outside of the church. God would judge them. Inside of the body of Christ, God would judge me according to Jesus and see me as perfect righteousness but Paul would then see me as a sinner because I am a sinner. Outside of the body of Christ, Paul could not judge me but I would be filthy and unclean, on my way to Hell. Either way 1 Corinthians makes me feel like I belong to Satan anyway and I couldn't please anyone no matter how I tried to improve.

Romans 8:1 (also by Paul) helped me so much when it said "There is now no condemnation for those in Christ" and I felt like no matter what I struggle with, I would have fellowship and love with other Christians regardless of the holes I fall into. That there would be no judgement, because my sins were left at the cross, and I could continue to encourage others struggling and that I could be encouraged as well as we focused on Christ and allowed him to transform us. But then 1 Corinthians 5:11 just described all the greed and lust within me, saying that I should be cast out.

I don't know, it's just hurting my feelings so much. It's making me feel like Jesus doesn't want me, that I should just be handed over to Satan anyway and that I'm a hopeless sinner (which I already knew.)

The reason I'm writing this is to vent my pain and hurt, and maybe someone can relate. Perhaps someone could prove this wrong and maybe what I am feeling is just a lie from the devil. As far as I am concerned now, after I have come so far with Jesus, is that I am just a useless and worthless sinner that should just stop trying right now because I'm only going to struggle with sin anyway, and unless I can be perfect (which I cannot, I NEED a savior) that I should just be expelled form the body of Christ and no Christian should even eat with me.

This verse is letting us know that God just want our hearts (desires) to turn away (Repent) from the love of our sinful nature and then He can heal us. But if a person that's trying to make that conversion, but not actually there yet, shouldn't be around those that can lure them back into loving the sinful nature that they are trying to leave; and which God is trying to show that what we think is natural is really unnatural, but being around the unnatural can turn unnatural back to being natural to you. But when you can see what the devil is trying to do and can see his works throughout the unnatural, then it will be hard to convert back into your old self, because you has known of the truth about what is natural. That's why we must know the truth about why sin is wrong, but not by just staying away from it, but knowing; just like the Hebrews, they tried to stay away from sin without knowing why.

Matthew 13:15For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.’

John 8:32Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

 

[zone]

The reason I'm writing this is to vent my pain and hurt, and maybe someone can relate. Perhaps someone could prove this wrong and maybe what I am feeling is just a lie from the devil. As far as I am concerned now, after I have come so far with Jesus, is that I am just a useless and worthless sinner that should just stop trying right now because I'm only going to struggle with sin anyway, and unless I can be perfect (which I cannot, I NEED a savior) that I should just be expelled form the body of Christ and no Christian should even eat with me.

Psalm 32:5
4For day and night Your hand was heavy upon me; My vitality was drained away as with the fever heat of summer. Selah.

5 I acknowledged my sin to You, And my iniquity I did not hide; I said, "I will confess my transgressions to the LORD"; And You forgave the guilt of my sin. Selah.

Psalm 38:18
I confess my iniquity; I am troubled by my sin.

Psalm 86:5
O Lord, you are so good, so ready to forgive, so full of unfailing love for all who ask for your help.

Proverbs 28:13
Whoever conceals their sins does not prosper, but the one who confesses and renounces them finds mercy.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

 

[zone]

If God only accepts the best and the most elite, I can't do it. Sorry.

Luke 18
10“Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.11“The Pharisee stood and was praying this to himself: ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector.12‘I fast twice a week; I pay tithes of all that I get.’13“But the tax collector, standing some distance away, was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven, but was beating his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, the sinner!’14“I tell you, this man went to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted.”

 

[Ariel82]

The dispensation of Mosaic Law and Grace are almost exactly the same thing to me now.

well that's a lie if I ever heard one, but understandable if you read some of the forum threads.

Law and Grace aren't the same thing.

now if this is a true statement "I don't have the desire nor the will to live a life pleasing to the Lord."

then all we can do is pray that God gives you New heart with the desire and will to live a life pleasing to the Lord.

 

[Stephen63]

I would recommend joining a good church, and having a talk with the pastor about your situation. You seem to be on a spiritual tightrope and I wouldn't recommend coming to a chat site to get instructions while in that condition. Get your church to pray for you. Get your pastor to counsel with you. That's what they're there for.

 

[damombomb]

Condemnation is not of the Lord, conviction is
[h=3]John 3:17[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]17 [/SUP]For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

 

[CoooCaw]

go read 1 john

repeatedly