Please stop hating on the Catholics!

[dirtyangel]

Born agian chrisitans and the protestant reformation and all over that which it encompasses are just as bad for chrisitanity as historically the catholics have been ever hear of emtional abuse And it wasn,t catholics that killed all those innocent people in salam mass at the witch trials.Luther was on a extermination campain angianst the jews calvin had someone burned at the stake.And the countless protestant pastors of all demonitions that have been caught in adultery and worse and all these followed the bible only!!!! How can you honsetly look someone in the eyes in the light of history and make the catholics only to be bad or worse the ones who are just as bad pointing the fingers.
And also of couse mahony snail just because someone donset meet your standard of correct facil expresion or emotion is an instant doorway to the soul which enables you to just look right into thier soul who gave you the power of God.Andthaddeus OMG give me a friggin break.do you guys actully believe the crap you try to push on others do you think thinking people for an instant even take you seriously?
I am very sorry for my harsh tone but come on.

 

[Thaddaeus]

you just took God's name in vain.

I was quoting that , But I will let God be the judge of that, over you . thank you!!!
least I didn't tell someone it was ok, to do though.

 

[delboy]

if a non-christian came on2 this site thinking about becoming "saved" they wouldnt be very impressed with the constant arguments over small details would they? why do people think they know better than everyone else? (i bet i get someone trying to argue with me now - lol) ==== bit of a rant but anyway..........

 

[dirtyangel]

yea thaddus you missed my piont enterly so i will repeat the theme of this thread please stop hating on the catholics it is not your place to judge his servants its his. please from now on treat catholics with respect if they've done nothing specifically to hurt you and if they have jesus said to forgive.
may god bless you all and giude your steps.

 

[MahogonySnail]

I was quoting that , But I will let God be the judge of that, over you . thank you!!!
least I didn't tell someone it was ok, to do though.

I never even said what the G in OMG was.

 

[MahogonySnail]

My point about faceless expressions was merely to point out that whilst we can say catholics are saved and all this, the catholic churches i've been to are like stale religious prisons and for that reason alone I prefer not to attend catholic church. Although a charismatic one I've been to have been much better. It's one thing to be saved, it's another thing to have the freedom to live as a Christian and not under the rules and regulations of a controlling organisation such as the catholic church. Particularly when it comes to how and when and what we say in worship to God.

 

[Christianrkchk89]

yea thaddus you missed my piont enterly so i will repeat the theme of this thread please stop hating on the catholics it is not your place to judge his servants its his. please from now on treat catholics with respect if they've done nothing specifically to hurt you and if they have jesus said to forgive.
may god bless you all and giude your steps.

I didn't see him hating on Catholics here. he was just saying that what i said in the opening part about non-Catholic church members saying "Oh my God" was a sin like murdering is.

 

[Christianrkchk89]

My point about faceless expressions was merely to point out that whilst we can say catholics are saved and all this, the catholic churches i've been to are like stale religious prisons and for that reason alone I prefer not to attend catholic church. Although a charismatic one I've been to have been much better. It's one thing to be saved, it's another thing to have the freedom to live as a Christian and not under the rules and regulations of a controlling organisation such as the catholic church. Particularly when it comes to how and when and what we say in worship to God.

So, I have a question. What's worse...praising God whole-heartedly with a solemn face and attitude OR jumping around, smiling, singing loudly and dancing for God without having your heart in it?

Hmmm....I know for a fact that a lot of people in non-Catholic churches sing and dance for God....but they aren't even thinking about God. they are thinking about what they'll have for lunch after church. They are just good at putting on a show.

 

[MahogonySnail]

That's my point, how we praise God whole-heartedly without it showing?

If we look in the old testament even, even the Israelites living under the Law of Moses praised God more joyfully ,as seems ot be described in scripture.

Hmmm....I know for a fact that a lot of people in non-Catholic churches sing and dance for God....but they aren't even thinking about God. they are thinking about what they'll have for lunch after church. They are just good at putting on a show.

How do you know what they are thinking?

 

[LeoneXIII]

That's my point, how we praise God whole-heartedly without it showing?

If we look in the old testament even, even the Israelites living under the Law of Moses praised God more joyfully ,as seems ot be described in scripture.




How do you know what they are thinking?

Same way you know that Catholics aren't really worshiping God with their whole hearts when they sit somber-faced in Church.

 

[Christianrkchk89]

That's my point, how we praise God whole-heartedly without it showing?

If we look in the old testament even, even the Israelites living under the Law of Moses praised God more joyfully ,as seems ot be described in scripture.




How do you know what they are thinking?

Well Mahogony, if I've been guilty of it. I'm sure many others have. You're telling me that you praise God with your whole heart during EVERY church service? I don't see that as humanly possible. I've also heard pastors preach on it. We tend to sing empty words now-a-days, because that's what we are conditioned to do. Luckily tho, I think about that when I'm in church now...so if i'm not gonna praise with my heart...i don't praise.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Same way you know that Catholics aren't really worshiping God with their whole hearts when they sit somber-faced in Church.

Not quite, you see, with people praising God during music, their outward expression matches what they are doing. We would assume that they are truly praising God in their heart as their actions show it.

But if someone praises God without any expression, the words don't match the action. As long as they are being honest. If they are truly praising God in such half-hearted fashion, so be it. Perhaps it is a true reflection of the state of those churches.

The thing is, the catholic says things they simply have learnt and known by rote learning. It's rather robotic.

 

[Christianrkchk89]

Not quite, you see, with people praising God during music, their outward expression matches what they are doing. We would assume that they are truly praising God in their heart as their actions show it.

But if someone praises God without any expression, the words don't match the action. As long as they are being honest. If they are truly praising God in such half-hearted fashion, so be it. Perhaps it is a true reflection of the state of those churches.

The thing is, the catholic says things they simply have learnt and known by rote learning. It's rather robotic.

We should all know that assuming gets us no where. It's between the person praising and God himself...to know where our heart is. Outward appearance can be very deceiving.

 

[MahogonySnail]

I guess my point is in general the traditional catholic church environment isn't very encouraging for expressive behaviour outside of the normal rituals and traditions.

 

[MahogonySnail]

The general trend I see in ex-catholics is that whilst its fine to say Catholics are christians too and are saved, Catholicism seems to be something that people want to escape from and get out of.

There's a lot more to the issue than simply saying "well Catholics are saved too and therefore they're OK".

The Christian life is not just about getting saved, particularly if the quality of your spiritual life will suffer in the catholic church system. Which is why I personally evangelise catholics particularly ones who have been in the system most of their life and yet know little of the basics of what it is to be a Christian or have personal relationship with God. They read the books of Pope JP2 etc but they don't really know the basics in the bible. Sad really.

 

[MahogonySnail]

And it's not confined to catholicism I'd say the same about the Church of England and others similar.

 

[Ryan1976]

I became a Christian 19 years ago. Before that, I was Catholic. Raised from birth catholic. I can probably go into a catholic church today and recite the whole mass. I praise God I was able to get out of the catholic church and see the Truth. I am not saying that if you are catholic you cannot be a christian. I know there are. I do not understand how you can be a christian and still attend the catholic church. It is very hard to come out of that. I still struggle with it at times. But I know my only hope is in Jesus Christ. Not Mary or any of the saints. Only God knows our hearts, no matter what denomination we are. We must remember that there are probably people who attend other "christian" churches who are not christians. I am not judging anyone, just thought I would put my 2 cents in.

I used to be protestant and became Orthodox (Catholic). Someone on here mentioned that they always hear of individuals coming out of Catholicism and into protestantism. It's a revolving door. Interesting too that sometimes it's not just an individual that leaves protestantism behind but about half an hour from here an entire Lutheran Church, from the pastor down to the congregation members, are going through the process of becoming Orthodox. This happens all over.

I would say that if you're a Catholic and believe that your hope isn't God alone then you're probably not a well informed Catholic and it's probably better for that person to have left something they never knew than to have just kept on keeping on, never knowing God.

May God bless you on your journey toward Him.

 

[dirtyangel]

i just read something very interesting if your go to catholic mass and start at the begining of the liturgical years and attend every sunday in 3 years you will hear the whole bible.of course you have to the pay attention in church to get anything out of it but its all there right in from of you and you don,t have to be able to read which many in this world still unbelievably cannot(as i can't spell to save my life).
All i'm saying is ,its there the bible the whole gospel and yes catholics are christian absolutley .In many cases people who are brought up in the church miss it and end up becoming born again but that doesn't change the fact that it was there right in front of you all the time, you just chose to ignore it at least for myself and would probably apply to most former catholics also.
The stuff I've been hearing about how tyo worship and which is the right way is up to the person and you can put some one in just as much of a prision by requiring that people show the joy they feel and if they don't show it accord to you they are not genuine,may god forgive you for that because in that you are becoming excatly what you accuse catholics to be.Freedom real freedom leaves choice to the individual and please remember god doesn't judge by outward apperance and no matter how you color it that is what you are doing. Also this is the way most catholics are judged you don't like the church or its many rules of it formal worship you look at the surface and thats what you see,but inside it is living and active but a to hardend to look past your own prejudices.

 

[dscherck]

No, but I can observe faces and their tone. Sombre and expressionless praise the Lord's. In which case if they don't match up with what is in the heart and mind, it is pretense. As the saying goes, if you have joy in your heart, put a smile on your face. I'm sure they would show more joy and expression at a football match or otherwise. How seriously do they take the words they say?

The thing is you have an organisation which tells you how to pray, when to pray, what to pray, and when to sit, when to stand, and what to sing, and when to sing, etc. And it's not just catholic, it's a symptom of all similar structured churches. This is far from the dynamic fluidity of what the ecclesia should be.

Our Lord attended synagogues when He lived among us. Those services are very liturgical. You pray certain prayers at certain times, you stand at certain times, you chant certain songs at specified times, etc. Liturgical Christian worship is merely a related form. Where in the scriptures does it state that our worship should be dynamic fluidity? I see that God stated many times how He was to be worshiped and sacrificed to in the Old Testament. And even in the Gospels, we see the beginnings of liturgy when Our Lord Himself offered the first Eucharistic meal.

The early Christians modeled their worship on Jewish worship, which was and is liturgical. We are united in prayer. We don't struggle to come up with words, we know the words and can just focus on what's in our hearts. We focus our attention on Jesus.

There are times when I look at my daughter, I just stand there, quietly, taking it all in. Since my face isn't necessarily smiling, does that mean I don't love her? Of course not! I love her with all my heart. The same thing applies to my worship of the Lord. I may not be smiling, but that is because I focus so much on thinking of Our Lord, of His mercy, of His love, that I just become enraptured. Outwardly I might just seem somber, but inwardly, I'm filled with awe.

 

[SamIam]

if a non-christian came on2 this site thinking about becoming "saved" they wouldnt be very impressed with the constant arguments over small details would they? why do people think they know better than everyone else? (i bet i get someone trying to argue with me now - lol) ==== bit of a rant but anyway..........

actually im pretty sure everyone just ignored you lol