Polygamy

[AndTheWordWasGOD]

The idea of polygamy did not come from the mind of God but the desires of men (males).

I agree somewhat...., polygamy did not come from the mind of God.

Gen 16:2-3
(2) And Sarai said unto Abram, Behold now, the LORD hath restrained me from bearing: I pray thee, go in unto my maid; it may be that I may obtain children by her. And Abram hearkened to the voice of Sarai.
(3) And Sarai Abram's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife.

Gen 30:1-3
(1) And when Rachel saw that she bare Jacob no children, Rachel envied her sister; and said unto Jacob, Give me children, or else I die.
(2) And Jacob's anger was kindled against Rachel: and he said, Am I in God's stead, who hath withheld from thee the fruit of the womb?
(3) And she said, Behold my maid Bilhah, go in unto her; and she shall bear upon my knees, that I may also have children by her.

Gen 30:8-10
(8) And Rachel said, With great wrestlings have I wrestled with my sister, and I have prevailed: and she called his name Naphtali.
(9) When Leah saw that she had left bearing, she took Zilpah her maid, and gave her Jacob to wife.
(10) And Zilpah Leah's maid bare Jacob a son.

Gen 3:4-6
(4) And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
(5) For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
(6) And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

I contend that.... the father of lies manipulated circumstances that mankind might be overcome through the subtlety of the serpent.... This hasn't stopped, even to this day. That's why I said in another post #69:

Please don't forget, "There was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels." There are spiritual adversaries continually working past and present to destroy the Almighty's salvation plan for mankind (Eph 6:12). Blinded men participate in bringing about the adversaries schemes (1Co 2:8).

Heb 2:14
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

1Jn 3:7-8
(7) Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
(8) He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

I don't think it was God's desire that men should be destroyed, and neither his desire that men should be subjected to eternal damnation. But I believe the scriptures do point to it being his desire that men should overcome the works of the devil and his angels, the roots and branches of which shall be destroyed out of the earth (Rev 12:9) forever in due time.

Mal 4:1
For, behold, the day comes, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that comes shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

 

[laura_charlotte]

The idea of polygamy did not come from the mind of God but the desires of men (males). God allowed many things to occur such as polygamy, slavery and warfare. Because God puts limits to these acts does not mean they were of God.

On the contrary, this was not in the same basket at all. That's a huge stretch of a comparison to make. We're all given free will, many things are permitted on earth that are totally unlawful and sinful, again, polygamy is not to be written into this equation and placed in a likable context because of your own personal judgement of it. Polygamy's origins can be established in the root of the Lord and it was facilitated as such in the old testament as a result.

 

[miknik5]

On the contrary, this was not in the same basket at all. That's a huge stretch of a comparison to make. We're all given free will, many things are permitted on earth that are totally unlawful and sinful, again, polygamy is not to be written into this equation and placed in a likable context because of your own personal judgement of it. Polygamy's origins can be established in the root of the Lord and it was facilitated as such in the old testament as a result.

these many things which you have mentioned in your above post...do you already know them to be unlawful and sinful?

 

[miknik5]

Rather, you claim that "we" already know certain things to be unlawful and sinful

Yet polygamy, (has it yet reached a unanimous agreement) isnt one of these things

Isnt that a personal opinion?

 

[miknik5]

If you know the good you should do and do not do it, you sin

and anything done in doubt is a sin

if to you, polygamy is okay, then it is "expedient" for you
nut then again, what is its "spiritual" purpose since everything that is of this world is simply "temporal food for the temporal stomach"

 

[AndTheWordWasGOD]

Therefore no one is bearing false witness.

kaylagrl: I was not accusing you of bearing false witness at all. The statement I made to you was:

If one was to assume it was about ego and nothing more with Abraham or Jacob that would not be good.

And then I added to anyone who might read and the shoe fits:

And if a person began to teach such a thing (that I said above was not good) concerning them (Abraham or Jacob) or another who was not coveting, nor in idolatry, nor in adultery; they might be in danger of bearing false witness.

I clearly sought to avoid placing you in that category because I don't think that you were meaning to say that about Abraham or Jacob (Tit 1:15); and so I wrote:

I assume that your statement about "ego and nothing more" was referring to the documentary, and I only make the statements above for clarity considering the tenor of this post and the question "Is it a sin to have more than one wife?"

I only seek to speak the truth in love that the body of Christ may be edified.

Proverbs 27:17 Iron sharpens iron; so a man sharpens the countenance of his friend.

 

[DJ2]

On the contrary, this was not in the same basket at all. That's a huge stretch of a comparison to make. We're all given free will, many things are permitted on earth that are totally unlawful and sinful, again, polygamy is not to be written into this equation and placed in a likable context because of your own personal judgement of it. Polygamy's origins can be established in the root of the Lord and it was facilitated as such in the old testament as a result.

"Polygamy's origins can be established in the root of the Lord". What do you base this statement on?

 

[kaylagrl]

kaylagrl: I was not accusing you of bearing false witness at all. The statement I made to you was:



And then I added to anyone who might read and the shoe fits:


I clearly sought to avoid placing you in that category because I don't think that you were meaning to say that about Abraham or Jacob (Tit 1:15); and so I wrote:



I only seek to speak the truth in love that the body of Christ may be edified.

Proverbs 27:17 Iron sharpens iron; so a man sharpens the countenance of his friend.

Very well thought out comment.Thank you for being more clear. Often people jump to conclusions and I appreciate that you were not doing that. It happens too often here.

 

[p_rehbein]

.....just imagine if someone had more than one wife........I mean, given the time and effort it takes to keep explaining every comment you make to JUST THE ONE!

 

[AndTheWordWasGOD]

Very well thought out comment.Thank you for being more clear. Often people jump to conclusions and I appreciate that you were not doing that. It happens too often here.

Satan is the accuser of the brethren. But we as the followers of Christ should be careful not to participate in the devil's dark workings.

2Co 2:11
Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

Rev 12:10
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Rev 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Lord Jesus, please speed the day!

 

[unobtrusive]

In Salt Lake City, Utah, they have what they call polygamist beer.

The advertisement says... "Polygamist beer for sale. Buy one and you’ll want another and another and another."

This is a fact. I saw it with my own eyes, but I knew it was a joke. I have to admit, my wife was with me, so I bought a different brand.

 

[willfollowsGod]

laura_charlotte as well as the others who agree with her, nowhere in the Bible does God approve of polygamy. Did it happen? Yes. Was God pleased with it? He was not and is not pleased with it, whether it was for political alliances with pagan nations (God was against such things trust in God and not in man, this is found in the books of the law), Adam and Eve at creation not Adam with many Eves, Jesus would have said that polygamy was lawful according to God, he never says this talking with the religious leaders of his day, etc. So the Bible cannot be the basis of such an assumption. I have read the Bible through a lot of times, nowhere does God give his rubber stamp approval of such things. Even in the Abraham and Sarah case, they were trying to rush God's timing instead of waiting on God for Isaac. Both were guilty of this, also look at the friction and tension between Sarah and Hagar and the fights that occurred. Notice that the maidservant, Hagar, was given to Abraham because Sarah was not producing children. Now when we go to the Jacob and Rachel case along with the maidservants of them, the same principle applies. Jacob works for Rachel for seven years, Laban deceives him and gives him Leah instead and gives him a maidservant as well, he also lies that it was the custom to give the younger daughter in marriage before the older one. Then Rachel sees Leah bearing children, gets angry at Jacob and is jealous against her sister and she gives him her maidservant Bilhah. Then the game continues and Leah sees that she is not bearing children, so she gives Jacob her maidservant Zilpah. Then, Rachel and Leah make a deal for some mandrakes, for Leah to have sex with Leah and she gives birth. Nowhere in this does God say, I am Yahweh and I approve of this message. So anyone claiming otherwise is not basing it on the word of God, but on cultural traditions and other stuff that is not biblical. Thanks. God bless.

 

[laura_charlotte]

Satan is the accuser of the brethren. But we as the followers of Christ should be careful not to participate in the devil's dark workings.

Great work. Thanks for the discussion yesterday, as the discussion furthers itself rather than evolves hopefully you can see the points being well illustrated. Look forward to next time.

 

[Magenta]

Polygamy has nothing to do with idolatry or adultery, drawing such comparisons is not fit.

You need to study the Word to show yourself approved. Start with Hosea

Here, I will give you a head start:

2 When the Lord began to speak through Hosea, the Lord said to him, “Go, marry a promiscuous woman and have children with her, for like an adulterous wife this land is guilty of unfaithfulness to the Lord.”

[FONT=&quot] Irrespective of the ignorance and feelings of flesh thrown, p[/FONT][FONT=&quot]olygamy is scripturally sound because it has always been directed by God.[/FONT]

Irrespective of your strong feelings and opinion on the matter, you have been asked a number of times to show this approval of polygamy explicitly stated in Scriptures. One Scripture to show God's approval? No? None? That's what I thought.

 

[trofimus]

Irrespective of your strong feelings and opinion on the matter, you have been asked a number of times to show this approval of polygamy explicitly stated in Scriptures. One Scripture to show God's approval? No? None? That's what I thought.

καὶ ἔδωκά σοι...τὰς γυναῖκας τοῦ κυρίου σου ἐν τῷ κόλπῳ σου
"I have given you...the wives of your lord to your bosom."
2Sam 12:7

2859 kólpos – properly, the upper part of the chest where a garment naturally folded to form a "pocket" – called the "bosom," the position synonymous with intimacy (union).

 

[Magenta]

καὶ ἔδωκά σοι...τὰς γυναῖκας τοῦ κυρίου σου ἐν τῷ κόλπῳ σου
"I have given you...the wives of your lord to your bosom."
2Sam 12:7

2859 kólpos – properly, the upper part of the chest where a garment naturally folded to form a "pocket" – called the "bosom," the position synonymous with intimacy (union).

"And I will take your wives before your eyes and give them to your neighbor, and he shall lie with your wives in the sight of this sun. 12 For you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel and before the sun.’” 2 Sam 12:11b-12 Does this mean God approves of adultery?

 

[trofimus]

"And I will take your wives before your eyes and give them to your neighbor, and he shall lie with your wives in the sight of this sun. 12 For you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel and before the sun.’” [FONT=&]2 Sam 12:11b-12 Does this mean God approves of adultery?[/FONT]

So what does that mean, according to you? Did God gave David wives to sin with them? Or what exactly?

 

[ConservativeChristian]

lol what kind of question is this.....moron

 

[trofimus]

So what does that mean, according to you? Did God gave David wives to sin with them? Or what exactly?

Sorry, wrong context.

 

[trofimus]

lol what kind of question is this.....moron

Your nick says you are a conservative Christian.

Your deeds say you are a conservative ungodly person.

Get your deeds to align with your faith.