POPE FRANCIS SAYS ATHEISTS WHO DO GOOD ARE REDEEMED, NOT JUST CATHOLICS

[homwardbound]

But the Gentiles knew about Christ, did they not?

You know it is only today about whether one believes or not.
But today we gotbelieve nmywayor your wauy, by your doctrine or my doctrine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How sad
Belief or not is whether one actually does beleive in the Christ that went to the cross for you andyou and you, then shall that one be saved
It does not say anfd then become Babtist, Presbyterian, Cathiloc, Protestant, Methodist or any other religion
HMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! as Isee it while Jesus was here did he not go against the religious pnes that used religion to decieve others and you think it not going on today, with all our sects, I am right you are wrong
What is the bottom line? To believe or not to believe, that is the root and then we are called to love one another not bash. Love is the fulfillment of all law, fleshly carnal nature is to be destroyed by renewiing our minds to what God the Father thinks, seeing all things from Father's vantage point through Christ and thus responding to that yes?

 

[homwardbound]

not until Paul preached it to them I'm sure, and there be still some today that have yet to hear about Christ. The thing is those that have neither the Law nor heard about Christ still go by their conscience, explained better in Romans:

Rom 2:14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves,
Rom 2:15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them)

Most Atheists I have met seem to not even have a conscience. Like I said before, there is a difference between an Atheist and those who have not heard about Christ, that is Gentiles......all Gentiles have some belief in some sought of God, not an Atheist, they do not believe in any God, gods or supreme being of any sought.....big difference. It's early bells here so not sure if I'm making sense.

And ther ones that chose to be Atheist, have been fooled by thinking their experience that thay had in their Church of growing up or a church Gathering of some sort somewhere in their life saw the hypocrisy of the people, saw the flesh evil in action and heard a thought from the Spirit of error that said if this is God and these people are saying they believe and Isee the harm they do, if this is God then I want nothing to dowith God and make a discision about God and choose not to believe.
When in reality it is the people that mis represent the only one and true God using God's grace as a liscence to sin, faking out most of the people and rakiing in the dough.
This happened to me in a denomnation, and I saw what was going on using God as a catalyst to tkae others money and goods. I recieved a thought that if this is God then no way am I believing in God.
But I heard my shepards voice as well and listened, and knew this denomiination is not of God and then I learned there is no church here on earth that God is pleased with this is why we are called to be citizens of Heaven and worship at the true tabernacle
[h=3]Hebrews 8:1-4[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]The New Priestly Service[/h]8 Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, [SUP]2 [/SUP]a Minister of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices. Therefore it is necessary that this One also have something to offer. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are priests who offer the gifts according to the law;

So we all are guilty of walking in the flesh ans not the Spirit, we are called to the kingdom of Heaven and worship God in the Spirit yes?

 

[homwardbound]

Ok, brother, as much as I really don't want to keep going on about this, I will just say this about your sigh. My page doesn't allow me to go back far enough to find you a post of your's that condemns others to hell or something very close to. The reason my page won't allow me to go back far enough is because I have not allowed myself to get into a conversation with you for so long, reason being that you have shown so much bitterness towards anyone who doesn't share the same beliefs as you, especially Catholics, resulting in you speaking to them in a way which lifts you up higher than them (in your own mind i suppose). But if i could go back far enough, rest assured, I would have no problem finding a post of yours of this nature. There is still no hatred from me toward you, brother, just a hesitance to converse with you for the risk of showing any anger or hatred.

Now, for the next part, I don't only speak of the good works of athiests. Good works are futile for ANYBODY if its for the soul purpose of any sort of gain. That's complete selfishness. But good works done out of pureness of the heart, which I think is what is being spoken of here- and their conflicting thoughts will accuse or perhaps excuse them [SUP]16 [/SUP]on the day when, according to my gospel, God, through Jesus Christ, will judge the secret thoughts of all.-"will accuse or perhaps excuse them", as Paul states. Now I'm not trying to make excuses for these people. I know plenty of athiests, and it is so clear that the Holy Spirit is just busting to break through that barrier put up by the worldly ignorance that these people are surrounded with which makes them think that there is no need for a God. And this is so clear because the pureness of their hearts in indeed incredible. The ONLY THING MISSING in their lives is the full knowledge of the love our Lord has for them. The fact that their hearts are so pure and full of love will NOT be forgotten in the day of judgement, I don't think anyway. But there's no way that I can be sure. Again:

"Romans 2:14-23
[SUP]14 [/SUP]When Gentiles, who do not possess the law, do instinctively what the law requires, these, though not having the law, are a law to themselves.[SUP]15 [/SUP]They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, to which their own conscience also bears witness;and their conflicting thoughts will accuse or perhaps excuse them [SUP]16 [/SUP]on the day when, according to my gospel, God, through Jesus Christ, will judge the secret thoughts of all.

The goodness of the Law, the goodness of God, is written on their hearts. God loves them just like He loves us.

God loves us all.people do not and have fallen away establishing their own righteousness, I am just spouting off and this is not meant towrds anyone in particular

No matter what 7seven7 if I do good to anyone and for anyone and not have the Love of God I as a sounding clanging symbol. There is a motive behind everyone in what they do, and this is what the judgement is going to be about is motive.
And this is why there will be on that day people that scoff at this or that as is done today in this world and say why Lord don't you know me I did this and that in your name, people came to beleive in you by me.
Matthew 7:23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

And the below is the Motive God is looking for and why few are ever chosen

"Comfort Me by letting Me know that you would see Me just to dwell in My Presence. Not for teaching, not for material gain, not even for a message, but for Me. The longing of the human heart to be loved for itself is something caught from the Great Divine Heart."
Above is showing a pure heart of what God seeks in you motive to be with God and thank God praising God for God WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! so can we all change? yes if we desire just to know God and trust God as Abraham did, Noah did Saul who became Paul did and do for they all are alive in the Spirit of God and with God in the heavenbly realms, and we are also in the Spirit by the Spirit of God by the resurrection of Christ if we believe then it is done, but if anyone of us has wrong motive God will not reveal himself period, we thus then make up our own righteousness and act as if we believe.
And who are we to judge another an atheist is truly not against God the Atheist is against those people that claim they are of God and are not, and by the fruit hanging off of them that appeared to look so good turned out to be fake fruit and when these Atheists took a bite of fruit from these fake trees got a mouthful of wax and the enemy laughed them into deception and not believing in God, but God will show them the truth as God tried to show the religous leaders of his day and said Prostitutes will
Matthew 21:31Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.
Matthew 21:32For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.

 

[homwardbound]

Ok yep, I do understand what you mean and you do make sense. But that's not saying that I agree. First of all, there were Gentiles walking the same streets as Jesus at the same time as Him. They knew about Him long before Paul told them. But as far as your comment goes about the athiests, I know what you mean when you say most athiests you have met seem to not even have a consience. But there are plenty who do have a conscience and show love and compassion towards others. There are plenty of Christians who don't have a conscience lol. What is in our hearts will play a HUGE role in how we are judged, whether we be Christian, athiest, or whatever, because its what was in the heart when we did or din't do something that makes it righteous or not (I hope that makes sense). Again, thats just my understanding of God through scripture. Don't quote me on it on judgement day! (unless I'm right lol). God bless!

Charlie that was cute I laughed deeply, I know what you meant and are trying to say love you Brother

 

[homwardbound]

That's the problem with so much of Christianity today. Everyone doing it on their own, interpreting scripture according to their own erroneous understanding, refusing the authority and foundation which Christ set forth. This forum is a good example of how dangerous that is. Everyone inventing their own silly speculative doctrines. So much heresy here. Christ never intended it to be like that. That's why he gave the keys to Peter and built his Church upon that rock who is Peter and those who directly succeeded him, i.e. the Catholic Church and Pope Francis today who is the 265th successor to Peter. THAT is the authority to interpret and teach scripture. NOT HollyLoree.

okay can we consider this as who is really our high priest is the pastor of any church or the pope? Who is the head of all and over all. What does the Pope say about this.
Hebrews 2:17Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Hebrews 3:1Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
Hebrews 4:14Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Hebrews 4:15For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Hebrews 5:1For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:
Hebrews 5:2Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity.
Hebrews 5:3And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins.
Hebrews 5:4And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron
Hebrews 5:5So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
Hebrews 5:10Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
Hebrews 7:11If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
Hebrews 7:17For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
Hebrews 7:21(For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
Not trying to start anything or go against anyone only posting scripture that Christ is our only high priest today that lives forever all other priests do not continue in office, but Christ does andhas from day one just was not revealed until the cross
Anyway thankyou for your posts

 

[homwardbound]

So Christ made a mistake?

No 7seven7 Peter was a growing person fighting Flesh and Spirit learning to always walk in the Spirit of Christ,just as oyu and me and many others that do believe. Remember he denied Christ three times and was always afraid of the people and how they would react to him, Peter was alway willing even pulled out a sword and cut off the ear of the man that came to take away Christ and what did Christ do and say to Peter. Peter was a work in progress and in the Galatian Church he withdrew from the gentiles when his own brethren the Jews showed up and wanted not to be unaccepted, he was learning of the Spirit, walking in and by flesh, thus learning to forsake flesh
[h=3]Galatians 2:11-21[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]11 [/SUP]But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
[SUP]14[/SUP]But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
[SUP]15 [/SUP]We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

[SUP]20 [/SUP]I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain
7seven7 we all make mistakes and paul was pointing out to peter that we are free in Christ not to bind anyone down to believe the way the Jews believed.
Peter even in Acts 10 was shown truth in three dreams and told to kill and eat and go and preach the word to the gentiles and did and the Holy Ghost fell on them as he was in the Spirit of God preaching through him.
This is what I seek, you seek is to walk in the Spirit and learn to hopefully at all times, but only Christ did this at all times. Peter did learn to listen after awhile and listened well and penned truth in 1Peter, 2Peter and WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now read from Galatians 2:1 about Paul being given the approval of the apostles

[h=3]Galatians 2:1-10[/h]King James Version (KJV)

2 Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
[SUP]8 [/SUP](For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.

 

[homwardbound]

Those were learned men, crossnote, who learned scripture according to the AUTHORITY of those who taught them. They weren't just winging it, like you.

This is a far more applicable example for you, crossnote.

Then Philip ran up to the chariot and heard the man reading Isaiah the prophet. “Do you understand what you are reading?” Philip asked. “How can I,” he said, “unless someone explains it to me?”
Acts 8:30-31

Only by being filled and walking in the Holy Ghost can salvation be acguired to anyone. It is not I or was Phillip that led this man to belief it was the Holy Ghost that did this through Phillip thats all folks
It is the Job of the Holy Ghost to lead all to belief, we the ones that believe are nothing other than vessels to and for the holy Ghost to not only live in us but more importantly through us we Follow God leads to truth and the truth sets one free to do wahtewver they are led to do. Some to Catholic Church otehrs to Protestant and others well you might get the picture to allow all to have their own free choice and trust God to give to each the increase of understanding, all we are is waterers and planters

1. 1 Corinthians 3:7
   So neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow.
   1 Corinthians 3:6-8 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 3 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
2. 1 Corinthians 3:8The one who plants and the one who waters have one purpose, and they will each be rewarded according to their own labor.

 

[jerusalem]

sometimes it is really difficult to dignify something said by responding to it at all.....if you check the catholic encyclopedia you will find multiple instances in which the catholic church freely admits to blatantly lying to the people ( pergatory and limbo are 2 good examples) as well as stating that their authority is even above God Himself (check out the changing of the sabbath and the changing of the 10 commandments) they freely admit to much more but i will leave that to your own efforts. the point being that the pope is not the final infallible word on anything.....God is

 

[crossnote]

So Christ made a mistake?

no, Rome makes the mistake in interpreting what Christ told Peter, and the incident with Paul confronting Peter only serves to help illusrate that point.

 

[crossnote]

The charge of being 'unleearned' is an old and stale charge by Rome and was a main excuse by Rome to suppress the laity from reading the bible on their own thus sinking the Church into Rome's superstitions and the Dark Ages (without the light of God's Word and the Glorious Gospel).
You stated in an earlier post that there is so much heresy here on the CC forum. So why do you stay, to learn more heresy or to add Rome's heresies?

Acts 4:6-8, 13 And Annas the high priest, and Caiaphas, and John, and Alexander, and as many as were of the kindred of the high priest, were gathered together at Jerusalem.And when they had set them in the midst, they asked, By what power, or by what name, have ye done this?
Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,
Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.

Those were learned men, crossnote, who learned scripture according to the AUTHORITY of those who taught them. They weren't just winging it, like you.
This is a far more applicable example for you, crossnote.

Then Philip ran up to the chariot and heard the man reading Isaiah the prophet. “Do you understand what you are reading?” Philip asked. “How can I,” he said, “unless someone explains it to me?”
Acts 8:30-31

 

[crossnote]

Therefore let us all just keep discerning between flesh and the Spirit of God , recognize when we walk in the flesh to others and when we see this apologize to one another keeping the unity of peace and share with each other to helpeach other grow in the Love of God.
Romans 5:8But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Romans 8:34Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.
2 Corinthians 5:14For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died.

I don't see the connection between my post and your response.

 

[Mooky]

Here is a link to a sermon about the current situation in the RCC.
Usurping the Seat of Christ

 

[homwardbound]

I don't see the connection between my post and your response.

It is only in general,to how each of us that beleive in Jesus Christ act and react to others and this in in Love which you have been doing and the others as well, loving it. It can get realeasy for any of us to walk in flesh type Spoirit and harm one another never learniing form one another, it had noitihng to do directly with your post
Thanks crossnote

 

[homwardbound]

I don't see the connection between my post and your response.

Just seeking for us all to keep the unity
1 Corinthians 12:13For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Now we can say, one body whether we be Catholic. Protestant, Jewish, Baptist, or any other denomination that preaches Christ. Because those that are seeking Christ they will find him for God the Father leads us all to his Son and we all get to make the choice to whether we beleive God or we don't
Do you agree?

 

[homwardbound]

Here is a link to a sermon about the current situation in the RCC.
Usurping the Seat of Christ

Christ's seat can not be usurped ever. only can appear this way from time to time. Christ said fi they are preacing him leave them alonebut being people of the flesh and not seeing God by belief in God back at the cross wants to give each of us that believe new life in him by the resurrected Christ, us being born again alive to God in the spirit of God and dead to the sin nature the flesh here and now through belief
[h=3]Romans 6:11[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]11 [/SUP]Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.


[h=3]Philippians 1:15-19[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,

 

[Ephraim]

according to a report from Vatican Radio.....

Pope Francis rocked some religious and atheist minds today when he declared that everyone was redeemed through Jesus, including atheists. During his homily at Wednesday Mass in Rome, Francis emphasized the importance of “doing good” as a principle that unites all humanity, and a “culture of encounter”to support peace. Using scripture from the Gospel of Mark, Pope Francis explained how upset Jesus’ disciples were that someone outside their group was doing good, according to a report from Vatican Radio. “They complain,” the Pope said in his homily, because they say, “If he is not one of us, he cannot do good. If he is not of our party, he cannot do good.” And Jesus corrects them: “Do not hinder him, he says, let him do good.”

see rest of report here

See how the Pope has twisted Scripture...it appears this is the part that he has based his story on....

Mar 9:38 Now John answered Him, saying, "Teacher, we saw someone who does not follow us casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow us."
Mar 9:39 But Jesus said, "Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me.
Mar 9:40 For he who is not against us is on our side.

Interesting to see comments from Catholics what they have to say to this.

And perhaps on;

Romans 2;6-11


He will render to each according to the deeds the same of them:to those who endure in good-will, who glorify and honour God, and desire incorruptibility, the ageless life;but for those who feud (in self interest) and are disloyal to the truth, being persuaded about (or urging) injustice, there will be outbursting of wrath, affliction and anguish for every life on the basis of producing evil, of both the Jewish before and of the Greek,however (there will be) renown and value and peace of mind for everyone who does good things, of both the Jewish before and of the Greek.For there is not indeed any favoritism with God.

What has he twisted? He said it almost exactly as Jesus did.

Jesus says 'he who is not against us is on our side'. And you're insinuating that the atheist doing good isn't on our side or is 'unredeemed'. How does that make any sense?

 

[Ephraim]

IS a man's worth based on his character? Or does he have to belong to our box and title?

'Mar 9:39 But Jesus said, "Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me.
Mar 9:40 For he who is not against us is on our side'

 

[Crucifiction]

Google "pope francis atheists redeemed" and see what you'll find.

Here you go

Let me google that for you

 

[Ephraim]

Or how about this. Galatians 3:28

There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for every kind of you are one under Jesus.

Consider that the usual 'gentile' or 'greek' didn't fit in the box of a God-believer or 'Jew' (which Jesus and the disciples were). The gentiles and greeks aforementioned could have been, and probably were, atheists/pagans, and were definitely non-Jews (whose modern, Messianic equivalent are 'Christians' *quote unquote*).

 

[Ephraim]

Jews I mean. Christ-believing Jews are called Christians nowadays.