Pope Francis: 'There Is No Hell'

[Bladerunner]

I have already explained how that should be interpreted. You can check every reference to Sheol in the OT and you will not find a single mention of Paradise in that context. Paradise was taken up to Heaven directly and that is where we find the OT saints after the resurrection of Christ.

I really like the way you tend to tell everyone how to interpret the questions about paradise...I believe I have made a case for the later where Paradise is Abram's Bosom, Jesus was there and took its inhabitants and Paradise itself to the 3rd heaven.

What I have done in addition is use the Authority of the Bible (God's Word) to explain my position. I can do no more.... If you are of still different mind, it is ok......But I will be of same mind regardless.

 

[Bladerunner]

[COLOR="#0000CD] Jesus tells us when He informs the Thief on the cross beside Him, that he (the thief) would be in Paradise with Him today.

Luke 23:43....[COLOR="#FF0000"]"And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise."
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In Mat 12:40..Jesus tells us that as Jonas was in the Belly of the Big Fish 'three days and three nights' so would he be in the heart of the Earth....
"For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

In acts 2:27..tells us that Jesus was in Hell but He would not stay there.
"Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption."

Then in Eph 4:9,,Jesus tells us that as HE ascended, He also first descended..

(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?


eph 4:8 tells us that when He did Ascend He took captives with HIM, gifts to men. Took those out of Paradise (Abrams Bosom)

"Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men."

Because Jesus removed and took with him Paradise (Abram's Bosom) we see that Hell itself expanded.

Isa 5:14 "Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it."

And finally....Paul tells us that He was caught-up to Paradise in the 3rd Heaven.

2 cor 12: 2-4 "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven. ver. 3..And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth ver. 4...How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter"

Now we have established that Jesus took the thief with Him to Hell and Paradise (Abram's Bosom) and when He ascended, He (Jesus) took all of Paradise to Heaven with Him... Having extra room to accommodate future new residents, we see that Hell enlarged itself in anticipation of those who have not yet arrived.



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[Katy-follower]

Did contradictions every bother the RCC? They thrive on contradictions.

It's sad that catholics don't even see them...

A lot of their doctrines and traditions were introduced into that church gradually over the years, and weren't around from the beginning, so they've been forever changing.

Got to remember though that they're all blind leaders of the blind....

 

[NHR]

In another interview with his longtime atheist friend, Eugenio Scalfari, Pope Francis claims that Hell does not exist and that condemned souls just "disappear." This is a denial of the 2,000-year-old teaching of the Catholic Church about the reality of Hell and the eternal existence of the soul.

The interview between Scalfari and the Pope was published March 28, 2018 in La Repubblica. The relevant section on Hell was translated by the highly respected web log, Rorate Caeli.

The interview is headlined, "The Pope: It is an honor to be called revolutionary." (Il Papa: “È un onore essere chiamato rivoluzionario.")

Scalfari says to the Pope, "Your Holiness, in our previous meeting you told me that our species will disappear in a certain moment and that God, still out of his creative force, will create new species. You have never spoken to me about the souls who died in sin and will go to hell to suffer it for eternity. You have however spoken to me of good souls, admitted to the contemplation of God. But what about bad souls? Where are they punished?"

Pope Francis says, "They are not punished, those who repent obtain the forgiveness of God and enter the rank of souls who contemplate him, but those who do not repent and cannot therefore be forgiven disappear. There is no hell, there is the disappearance of sinful souls."

Full Article: https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/pope-francis-there-no-hell

Pope Francis said to the mafia in 2014, “Convert! There is still time, so that you don’t end up in hell. That is what awaits you if you continue on this path. You had a father and a mother: think of them. Cry a little and convert.”

In 2016 pope Francis said, “The danger always remains that by a constant refusal to open the doors of their hearts to Christ who knocks on them in the poor, the proud, rich and powerful will end up condemning themselves and plunging into the eternal abyss of solitude which is hell.”

The man who interviewed the pope has admitted he added his own words to the interview to express his thoughts. It made the Vatican website but Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi said Scalfari’s interview was ‘in no way reliable.”

Vatican spokesman Greg Burke denied that Pope Francis told Scalfari, now 93, that there was no hell

 

[lightbearer]

true but it only refers to the smoke of their torment, the means of questioning them

First let me say I believe as you; Only GOD have immortality and in HIM and only HIM is life; the light of men.

But in all sincerity one can not brush off that verse in Revelation so easily. The "smoke of their torment rises up forever and ever" can be understood allegorically. But the phrase, "and they have no rest day nor night" can not be so easily dismissed.

Raised to be judged before finally being destroyed .

And this is the second death.

Is death, death?

Does not GOD only have immortality, and in HIM; and only HIM is Life, and this Life is the Light of man.

LOL the SOUL as we know it is not a Biblical concept.

GOD is Spirit. Are we not made in HIS image and likeness. He lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

We have Spirit and we have flesh.

It is the Spirit that gives life. The flesh does not profit, nothing! The words which I speak to you are spirit and are life.
(Joh 6:63 LITV-TSP)

Are soul and Spirit the Same?

No.

Are flesh and soul the same?

And Jehovah God formed the man out of dust from the ground, and blew into his nostrils the breath (Spirit) of life; and man became a living soul.
(Gen 2:7)

What is a soul without the Breath (Spirit) of Life?

Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
(Ecc 12:7 KJV)

Forever is not always forever in the Bible as you say. But they shall not have rest day or night can not be so easily dismissed as was shared above.

And the sea (multitudes) gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. The fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
(Rev 20:13-15; 21:8 KJV)

Is the second death, death and an end to their smoke rising forever and ever. Thereby ending their restlessness.

If they are still being tormented then how is this true....

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
(Rev 21:4 KJV)

 

[ComeLordJesus]

Catholic hell?

The Catechism of the Catholic Church says this about hell: "Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, "eternal fire." The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs." (CCC 1035)

And the website "Catholic Answers" says this about hell: " The Catechism emphasizes the fact that Hell is primarily eternal separation from God. As CCC 1033 says, “The state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed.” It is absolute emptiness and isolation beyond anything we can fathom. The "pains" that are quite real, quite literal, and consist of both the pain of loss, and the pain of sense, i.e., they involve the body after the resurrection of the body, "follow from the very nature of sin," or, they arise from the inside out, not from the outside in. What is mortal sin but the rejection of the love of God and neighbor? It is ultimate selfishness. Ultimately, the damned will simply get what they wanted—themselves for all eternity!

It is said that a man will go insane if he is kept in isolation for too long because human beings are so ordered toward communion with God and others. Hell will be that isolation that would lead anyone to insanity, but the condemned will never be able to lose their faculties. They will be fully cognizant of the pain of their isolation."

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/what-is-hell

Looks like they're not "consumed" at all.

(CCC 1035) doesn't fit with what they claim about purgatory.

 

[Waggles]

I believe that at the higher echelons of The Vatican the Pope and his cardinals see RCC as a political entity
with their own political agenda rather than simply a religious church of faith.

 

[Waggles]

Hhhmmmm food for thought -

23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, says the LORD.
24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
Isaiah 66:

43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell,
into the fire that never shall be quenched:
44 Where their worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched.
Mark 9:

G1067 Hell γέενν gheh'-en-nah
Of Hebrew origin [H1516] and [H2011]; valley of Hinnom; gehenna (or Ge-Hinnom), a valley of Jerusalem, used (figuratively)
as a name for the place (or state) of everlasting punishment: - hell.

 

[MarkWilliams]

Hhhmmmm food for thought -

23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, says the LORD.
24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
Isaiah 66:

43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell,
into the fire that never shall be quenched:
44 Where their worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched.
Mark 9:

G1067 Hell γέενν gheh'-en-nah
Of Hebrew origin [H1516] and [H2011]; valley of Hinnom; gehenna (or Ge-Hinnom), a valley of Jerusalem, used (figuratively)
as a name for the place (or state) of everlasting punishment: - hell.

Even genuine believers find those passages very difficult to accept, let alone the luke warm and the false professors.
I struggle to accept that God would cast someone into everlasting torment in hell fire, but I need to remind myself that I'm not qualified to judge anything that God does. Mine is to receive the things of God as they are and praise and worship Him, no matter what He does.