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Souls had faith before Abraham.

Heb 11:4, Abel. Heb 11:5, Enoch. Heb 11:7, Noah.

Heb 11:31, Rahab, Who was the father of Rahab's faith? Considering that she was not born an Israelite?

 

[Gabriel2020]

They sure did not have the faith Abraham had, and that is for sure. That is why scripture says that Abraham is the father of our faith, and that means based upon his faith. That chapter was the first time God announced that he would save not only Israel, but the Gentiles as well., all over the world.

 

[Deade]

Originally Posted by garee: Non-denominational is a denomination/sect as a part of the whole. God typified as Abraham is considered the God or father of many nations, as denominations/sects. Abraham is the literal father of one nation.

Abraham was literally the father of many nations. Judah is just one of them. Read Genesis 49 when Jacob is prophesying where his sons will be in the last days. The Assyrians carried the 10 Northern tribes into Central Europe. The Israelites went on to found many other countries from there. Like Zebulun became the Vikings (vs. 13).

 

[7777pinacled]

I have never liked the whole denomination thing even being a denominational is in itself a non denomination. I mean like Jesus said a kingdom divided against itself cannot stand. Yes there are different types of believers like what the baptists believe and the charismatics and the others denominations but they are all a part of the same body of Christ just different parts. After the human body has different parts that function differently for different purposes and though they work differently the right leg does not say to the left arm no your not doing it my way and the foot doesn't say to the hand to do what it does.

Think of this if you will, within Christianity alone there perhaps close to a hundred denominations within each denomination there are perhaps a thousand different doctrines within that thousand doctrine there are perhaps thousands more of different views beliefs and understanding of those doctrines, the numbers may not be exact but it's scary isn't it? The sad thing is all it takes is one difference of understanding of a single doctrine to separate the body and form a denomination, I mean we attack each other all the time over one topic and you all have seen how far downhill that can go and all the different views and understanding that varies with it.

As for myself I don't go by any label of any denomination not even non denomination I am simply a child of God nothing more nothing less any views or beliefs I have do not decide who I am or where I stand in his kingdom and any views or beliefs that may in fact not be the truth I gave him the power and the authority long ago to humble me and teach me and though I may never fully have the entire truth or understand everything I cannot be stubborn in my views and my beliefs as if they are the truth and others are not.

And He shall raise a banner to the nations, and He shall gather the lost of Israel, and the scattered ones of Judah He shall gather from the four corners of the earth.


I like to believe as sons and daughters we are following the Lord in carrying the Banner till He returns.

 

[tanakh]

We use names to identify people and groups of people. Otherwise we go through life being called ''thingy'' With millions of Christians in the world how else are we to identify one group from another.

 

[Blain]

And He shall raise a banner to the nations, and He shall gather the lost of Israel, and the scattered ones of Judah He shall gather from the four corners of the earth.


I like to believe as sons and daughters we are following the Lord in carrying the Banner till He returns.

perhaps but as nearly as effectively as we could if the body worked together instead of attacking itself. Do you about a disease called Lupus? It's an illness that has to do with the white blood cells the blood cells instead of helping the body and protecting it actually end up attacking the body causing inflammation to the body tissue and causes all kind of issues with the functionality of the body the arms no loner work as well nor do the legs the lungs and heart don't work right and much more.

Ir's like this disease is a literal image of the how a kingdom divided against itself cannot stand and why the body of Christ does not work as a whole or as well as it could

 

[Blain]

We use names to identify people and groups of people. Otherwise we go through life being called ''thingy'' With millions of Christians in the world how else are we to identify one group from another.

Even if labels were not the issue how every denomination attacks the other is far more of a problem

 

[Deade]

Even if labels were not the issue how every denomination attacks the other is far more of a problem

You know why that is Blain? I post on another forum that has a bunch of Reformed Protestants that have a similar faith statement (of each other). They don't want to think all the ancient Reformers were wrong. If you put doubt in the way a scripture was traditionally interpreted, they will go with tradition every time. How are they to learn anything new with that attitude. This is where we are now:

Dan. 12:4: "But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased."

 

[Blain]

You know why that is Blain? I post on another forum that has a bunch of Reformed Protestants that have a similar faith statement (of each other). They don't want to think all the ancient Reformers were wrong. If you put doubt in the way a scripture was traditionally interpreted, they will go with tradition every time. How are they to learn anything new with that attitude. This is where we are now:

Dan. 12:4: "But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased."

I know that even in one denomination it still has so many sections of believers because though they belong to the same group they have different beliefs and views it literally is like a body attacking a body inside itself

 

[7777pinacled]

perhaps but as nearly as effectively as we could if the body worked together instead of attacking itself. Do you about a disease called Lupus? It's an illness that has to do with the white blood cells the blood cells instead of helping the body and protecting it actually end up attacking the body causing inflammation to the body tissue and causes all kind of issues with the functionality of the body the arms no loner work as well nor do the legs the lungs and heart don't work right and much more.

Ir's like this disease is a literal image of the how a kingdom divided against itself cannot stand and why the body of Christ does not work as a whole or as well as it could

Nah, supose the division you see is only a surface of the skin that is the Body.

 

[abcdef]

They sure did not have the faith Abraham had, and that is for sure.

What scripture says that? According to Heb 11 all the people mentioned had faith, some before Abraham. Where does it say that Abraham had more faith than Noah, Abel, or Enoch?

Did Jesus have more faith than all of them? If He did, then our faith should be based on Jesus and not Abraham.

That is why scripture says that Abraham is the father of our faith, and that means based upon his faith

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Our faith is based on God and not men. There was a time when this was more relevant. Our faith is based on the 2nd Adam who is Jesus. His sacrifice and the resurrection. This is the faith of Abel, Noah, and Abraham. Their faith was in Jesus. Why should we base our faith on Abraham? When we can base our faith on Jesus, and not on men?

That chapter was the first time God announced that he would save not only Israel, but the Gentiles as well., all over the world.

God promised in the garden to Adam that He shall bruise his head. This applied to all human souls and all creation. So our faith is based on God and His God's promises of salvation, even the ones made to Adam, and years later to Abraham.

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Why drink from the river of life down stream, when you can go right to the fountain of the waters and drink the waters of life from the source?

 

[JaumeJ]

Reading your post I could not proceed beyond the declaration it is the faith of Jesus Christ for Jesus Christ shared the faith of Abraham..........He teaches us we are become sons of the Father of the faith of Abraham.

I would say not the faith of Abraham but the faith of Christ .We are not to have faith God as the things of God after the things of men .Many abuse the word Abraham in that way making it about his flesh

I would offer that Christ came to bring division and establish as unseen a union by grace.We do not wrestle against the things seen.

Non-denominational is a denomination/sect as a part of the whole. God typified as Abraham is considered the God or father of many nations, as denominations/sects. Abraham is the literal father of one nation.

No such thing as no separation in thought between even one man with another .Our thoughts are not His thoughts and neither our our ways, his . If a person is married they get it. Or one sects thoughts with another.

That idealism is reserved for the father and Son alone.He is are of one mind and always does whatsoever His soul pleases .it is he who makes our hearts softer.

We all have our differences as fingerprints. Seeing it is God who does make us different from one another there is no self-made/created men, when it comes to new creatures.

We walk by faith, the unseen eternal. The kingdom of God is not of this world, again we walk (understand) by the unseen eternal as we are informed in 2 Corinthian 4:18 .

He is the power that binds men to do His will as His Spirit works in us..

In reality when two or three gather together under the authority of his living word he is there. Two or three constitutes a sect with Christ as the head. .A family that gathers together in the authority or power of the gospel that each member has in these earthen bodies (not of them) differs in their opinion from a family next door. They both can be considered a sect.

Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

From my experiences Catholicism has done much damage because they change the meaning of words to take away the authority of scripture.

They would say they are not a sect and call every denomination but their own heretics. the same with the phrase private interpretation .They say every other sect other than their own has one, as heresy, as a opinion .Taking away the authority when two or three, or two million and three million men gather together.

The word denomination or sect is derived from the word heresy which is simply an opinion or private interpretation as a personal commentary on what each individual thinks the Holy Spirit is revealing as they do seek after His approval .

In that way Christ informs us there must be heresies as differences of opinion among us


Strongs lexicon. 139 hairesis {hah'-ee-res-is}
from 138; TDNT - 1:180,27; n f
AV - sect 5, heresy 4; 9
1) act of taking, capture: e.g. storming a city 2) choosing, choice 3) that which is chosen 4) a body of men following their own tenets (sect or party) 4a) of the Sadducees 4b) of the Pharisees 4c) of the Christians 5) dissensions arising from diversity of opinions and aims

1Corinthians 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

The heresies that are damnable or judge-able in respect to the gospel that we are to be careful of ...flat out deny the fullness of the grace of Christ, The Catholics are noted for that offering that Christ only gives a unknown "remnant of grace" with the remaining remnant under the idea of personal suffering for a unknown amount of time ,or severity in a unknown place called Purgatory. It make the grace of Christ without effect by doing despite to the Spirit of grace.

2Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

 

[JaumeJ]

Understand this for once in your walk, Jesus Christ has declared we are children of ÇAbraham, and we are of the faith of Abraham.........I did not bring itinto the thread, it isthe response to the denominational mnds of many.

If you believe I brought it inot the sharing of the truth you are saying Jesus did not......He never lies.

You brought it in with your children of Abraham notation. Now being Jewish is an ethnicity. Your view is all fluff.


Christians do not adopt the religion of Judah. Christians do not be come ethnically Jewish. Christians do receive the blessings promised to Israel which they rejected in Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[JaumeJ]

Forgive my intrusion, but most folks especially here confuse being a Jew with Judaism. Judaism is the umbrella title now aqnd for many centuries of various denominations, none of which are the Israel of aforetime. That is if you are able, put yourself at the time of our Lord's first advent.

When the word, Jew was applied in the Word it was only in reference to the tribe, the people and the remnat that was Israel. Jew is not a realigion it is a word that describes anyone who praises tshe true God......

AS long as one's mind is stuck in being a true Jew is being of the land of JUdah on earth, one's mind is just that, stuck.

Amen or at least not outwardly. If that was the case we would need the womb of a Jew to be born again .

Christ said rather those who hear the word of God.

And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.Luk 11:27

 

[JaumeJ]

I could never have explained it better........thanks. All blessings in Jesus Christ, amen,.

Our whole life as Christians is based on Abraham. If you don't have Abraham like faith,Then you are in trouble. What was in Abraham is what God had been looking for in a man. That seed of faith he had is what has made us righteous i the sight of God.

 

[JaumeJ]

Our faith in Jesus Christ is the faith of Abraham who is the first man to receive the Gospel of Jesus chrsit..this is in the New Testament.

Try not to make others so confused as to be taken off of the way with this type of diatribe.

Disciples of Christ are disciples of Christ, not disciples of Abraham. No doubt Abraham's faith is used as an example of saving faith, but that's it. We need to be very careful about these matters.

 

[JaumeJ]

Once more, it is Jesus Christ Who teaches we are made children of Abraham and of the faith of Abraham. If you would read this in the Word you would refrain from this. I have read it, and i UNDERSTAND IT.

QUOTE=Nehemiah6;3508339]So you would rather be a metaphorical descendant of Abraham than a literal child of God? Is that what you prefer? No doubt Abraham was a great man of faith, but the Lord Jesus Christ is the Author and Finisher of our faith. So what's your preference?[/QUOTE]

 

[JaumeJ]

That Banner, Jesus Christ, is being replaced by flags of nations due to the apostasy that began even as Christ ascended to the right Hand of Glory........

Those who believe Jesus have one Banner, Jesus Himself, amen.

And He shall raise a banner to the nations, and He shall gather the lost of Israel, and the scattered ones of Judah He shall gather from the four corners of the earth.


I like to believe as sons and daughters we are following the Lord in carrying the Banner till He returns.

 

[JaumeJ]

You have raised an intersting and very profound subject which has always occupied my studies. How do so many, myriads ofver time, not see that the so-called names of the Word are not simply titles but they each have meaning, and oft time
these names fully translated to our tongueshow the attributes of the bearer and also many times show prophesy.

This seems to be the primary cause most do not understand a lick about what a Jew is. If all did they would also realize Jew is a shortening of Yahweh. Yah hoo dah.......God figure.

We use names to identify people and groups of people. Otherwise we go through life being called ''thingy'' With millions of Christians in the world how else are we to identify one group from another.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Try not to make others so confused as to be taken off of the way with this type of diatribe.

Well what you are suggesting is a denomination called "The Children of Abraham". That would simply add to all the other denominations. And I don't believe that either Christ or the apostles would be too keen about this.

If Christians are children of God and meant to be disciples of Christ, then "Christian" should suffice. Even Agrippa understood this basic concept.