Predestination is misunderstood...

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sawdust

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but if God desires every single person to be saved why did Christ rejoice at some being blinded to the truth and even said it was good that this was done?

Luk 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit and said, "I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight.
if you don't know why it is good to keep your plans away from the enemy, I have to wonder if you know the Lord at all. o_O
 

Thunderrr-mental

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God indeed wants all types of men to be saved and has chosen some from all nations, tribes, peoples and tongues including some of which are kings and those in authority for whom prayer is to be made.

1Ti 2:1 Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men,
1Ti 2:2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence.

but if God desires every single person to be saved why did Christ rejoice at some being blinded to the truth and even said it was good that this was done?

Luk 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit and said, "I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight.
there's no ifs about it God desires all men to be saved.

What happens is as the heart grows, if it doesn't repent and walk with the lord it will grow evil where there is no return probably.

God wants to save you before that happens
 

Genez

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If children were not born slaves to sin then God would be unjust in killing any of them as He did in the Flood and still does so today.


After his infant son died soon after birth, David said he was going to see that son in heaven in the future.

Children who do not reach the age of accountability and die are automatically saved..
God would not let them die otherwise.

But now that he is dead, why should I go on fasting? Can I bring him back again?
I will go to him, but he will not return to me.” 2 Samuel 12:23​

grace and peace .......................
 

Genez

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God indeed wants all types of men to be saved and has chosen some from all nations, tribes, peoples and tongues including some of which are kings and those in authority for whom prayer is to be made.

1Ti 2:1 Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men,
1Ti 2:2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence.

but if God desires every single person to be saved why did Christ rejoice at some being blinded to the truth and even said it was good that this was done?

Luk 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit and said, "I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight.
There's always a wrong way out if there is a will not to receive correction.
 

Thunderrr-mental

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Man naturally is dead to God
how can you be naturally dead,

No senses what so ever


Mans nature must have been made a devine nature before the fall.

As God must have made mans nature spiritual alive before the fall and it must have retained something worth saving

So God plants a seed in all men so they can respond after the fall


So there not totally depraved as your tulip gospel says so
 

Genez

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how can you be naturally dead,

No senses what so ever.
Some people are born blind.
Such as these are optically dead.

Being spiritual is acquired after the natural birth.
We are born spiritually "blind."

That is why Jesus said that men need to be born again.
 

Genez

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According to scripture you are spiritualy dead to the lord not naturally dead
Anyone born is naturally spiritually dead. If not? We would not need to be born again.

We are born naturally physically alive only. No human spirit.
 

brightfame52

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how can you be naturally dead,

No senses what so ever


Mans nature must have been made a devine nature before the fall.

As God must have made mans nature spiritual alive before the fall and it must have retained something worth saving

So God plants a seed in all men so they can respond after the fall


So there not totally depraved as your tulip gospel says so
The natural man is dead to God.
 

Thunderrr-mental

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The natural man is dead to God.

in correct you can't be naturally dead to God, no such thing scripture says all natural men get given a seed in the heart

Scripture says new borns are kept by the father until the age of accountability

Scripture new born get given an angel that stares back in the face of God

Parents baptise there children at birth

Parent are told how to raise there children by God.

Children are taught how to pray

The bible says the word is the light to all men and also a seed that is given to all men that goes directly to the heart.

No man is born with blood that needs atonement.

Nope man is not totally depraved you have it wrong

All of mankind are chosen to be saved.

All people are told how to ask God to forgive them.

Everyone know abouts heaven and hell
 

Thunderrr-mental

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The natural man is dead to God.
What does 1 Corinthians 15:53 mean

Well death does not exist in heaven

When God calls humanity to live with him

There will be no more death

Or morning

Or crying

Or pain


Rev 21:2-5

The natural body we occupy, though stained with sin and destined to only live temporarily,.

They are built on living earth

And not in heaven

Gen 2:7;1

corinth 15: 42-44

natural bodies do not become more holy

paul says your natural body will not improve

the work transforming the natural body to a spiritual body is not ours to accomplish its God's

so your tulip gospel of being totally depraved and expression, your naturally dead to the lord is absurd
 

brightfame52

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in correct you can't be naturally dead to God, no such thing scripture says all natural men get given a seed in the heart

Scripture says new borns are kept by the father until the age of accountability

Scripture new born get given an angel that stares back in the face of God

Parents baptise there children at birth

Parent are told how to raise there children by God.

Children are taught how to pray

The bible says the word is the light to all men and also a seed that is given to all men that goes directly to the heart.

No man is born with blood that needs atonement.

Nope man is not totally depraved you have it wrong

All of mankind are chosen to be saved.

All people are told how to ask God to forgive them.

Everyone know abouts heaven and hell
The natural man is dead to God.
 

brightfame52

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And grace can make him see the truth without saving him.
The natural man is dead to God. And Grace makes one alive, saves them Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

So you know nothing about Grace !