Preterism
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Is Damascus a city?
Behold, Damascus will cease from being a city...
12 Woe to the multitude of many people Who make a noise like the roar of the seas, And to the rushing of nations That make a rushing like the rushing of mighty waters!
13 The nations will rush like the rushing of many waters; But God will rebuke them and they will flee far away, And be chased like the chaff of the mountains before the wind, Like a rolling thing before the whirlwind.
14 Then behold, at eventide, trouble! And before the morning, he is no more. This is the portion of those who plunder us, And the lot of those who rob us.
This time and language are from the last days when all the nations will be gathered to Jerusalem.
Isaiah 17 will come to pass soon, as we see Syria is in the center of clash between Russia and the USA.
Most likely it will be a nuke, as the language is clear... Damascus will cease from being a city.
JLB
Regarding full preterists, how do they explain this...
Look! He is coming in the clouds. Every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of him. So be it! Amen.
(Rev 1:7)
So He came in the clouds and every eye saw Him? And all people mourned over Him?
Regarding partial preterists, how do they decide what parts of Revelation have been fulfilled and what part's are still to come?
Look! He is coming in the clouds. Every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of him. So be it! Amen.
(Rev 1:7)
So He came in the clouds and every eye saw Him? And all people mourned over Him?
Regarding partial preterists, how do they decide what parts of Revelation have been fulfilled and what part's are still to come?
I know next to nothing about all this, but I do wonder about this verse you posted, because, well, quite frankly, I wonder if it will be a world wide event where everyone sees Him at one and the same time, or a type of thing where Jesus appears to the person who is being called/saved... and since that is a spiritual experience, it is a coming on the clouds as it were, and could happen as many times per day throughout history as God deems necessary... just a thought 
Feel free to tell me all the reasons why it could not possibly happen that way.
Feel free to tell me all the reasons why it could not possibly happen that way. You do make me think of an interesting point me and a friend had when discussing a similar topic to this, though we were talking moreso about pseudo-Christian cults/heretical sects in general.
It is hard to say whether it's because they misinterpret the Bible that their heresies arise, or whether it's because they believe the heresies that they misinterpret the Bible. Also to make clear heresy simply meaning here that putting something in the Bible that ain't there. I'm not gonna put someone on the Rack like the Spanish Inquisition just for making a simple mistake about a book they likely never even read.
Let me use an example. Like in WW2, certain churches or sects would misinterpret parts of the Bible for to cast the Nazis as certain malevolent figures in the Bible, or thinking they were in the middle of armaggedon. Even there's cases of the Nazis using bible-themed propaganda and misinterpetations against the Allies. In some cases the misinterpretation is very intentional as a propaganda tool by governments or forces either to instill emotions and morale in their own people or to instill fear and confusion in their enemies. In some cases it is indeed unintentional, a result of the hard to comprehend horrors of that time period and the seemingly likeness of time periods described in the Bible from before and for to come.
Another good example be the Y2K phenomena and the 2012 Doomsday phenomena (this one ironically of course actually repackaged mayan/aztec pagan mythos with modern doomsday conspiracy theories) where many put misinterpreted verses of the Bible to try to support the theories that year 2000 AD or year 2012 AD be the end of the world, or the start of some biblical prophecy like the mark of the beast stuff.
It is hard to say whether it's because they misinterpret the Bible that their heresies arise, or whether it's because they believe the heresies that they misinterpret the Bible. Also to make clear heresy simply meaning here that putting something in the Bible that ain't there. I'm not gonna put someone on the Rack like the Spanish Inquisition just for making a simple mistake about a book they likely never even read.
Let me use an example. Like in WW2, certain churches or sects would misinterpret parts of the Bible for to cast the Nazis as certain malevolent figures in the Bible, or thinking they were in the middle of armaggedon. Even there's cases of the Nazis using bible-themed propaganda and misinterpetations against the Allies. In some cases the misinterpretation is very intentional as a propaganda tool by governments or forces either to instill emotions and morale in their own people or to instill fear and confusion in their enemies. In some cases it is indeed unintentional, a result of the hard to comprehend horrors of that time period and the seemingly likeness of time periods described in the Bible from before and for to come.
Another good example be the Y2K phenomena and the 2012 Doomsday phenomena (this one ironically of course actually repackaged mayan/aztec pagan mythos with modern doomsday conspiracy theories) where many put misinterpreted verses of the Bible to try to support the theories that year 2000 AD or year 2012 AD be the end of the world, or the start of some biblical prophecy like the mark of the beast stuff.
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"Coming with the clouds" and similar expressions are always used in scripture as judgment figures.
OT imagery of this judgment figure. This imagery is used to emphasize the exercise of power, doom, and destruction.
1. Isaiah 19:1 – “The oracle concerning Egypt. Behold, the LORD is riding on a swift cloud and is about to come to Egypt; the idols of Egypt will tremble at His presence, and the heart of the Egyptians will melt within them.”
2. Psalms 104:3 – “He lays the beams of His upper chambers in the waters; He makes the clouds His chariot; He walks upon the wings of the wind;” Here, the Psalmist demonstrates the power of God over the natural world.
3. Jeremiah 4:13 – "Behold, he goes up like clouds, and his chariots like the whirlwind; His horses are swifter than eagles. Woe to us, for we are ruined!"
Chariots, horses, whirlwind, eagles, these are all images that represent war and destruction. When God is riding on his swift cloud or coming in the clouds, this is never a good thing. Destruction is immanent and the end result will always be the woes of the people.
NT imagery of this judgment figure.
1. Matthew 24:26 – “And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory.”(Also, Mark 13:26)
2. Matthew 24:30 - “And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory.”
3. Matthew 26:63 and 64 – “But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest said to Him, “I adjure You by the living God, that You tell us whether You are the Christ, the Son of God.” Jesus said to him, “You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN.” This is why the high priest tore his cloths and accused Jesus of blasphemy. He knew what Jesus was claiming by this statement. Only God comes in the clouds or rides on the swift clouds. He did not misunderstand. In effect, what Jesus was telling the high priest is that they are going to see HIM bring judgment upon upon the nation of Israel.
OT imagery of this judgment figure. This imagery is used to emphasize the exercise of power, doom, and destruction.
1. Isaiah 19:1 – “The oracle concerning Egypt. Behold, the LORD is riding on a swift cloud and is about to come to Egypt; the idols of Egypt will tremble at His presence, and the heart of the Egyptians will melt within them.”
2. Psalms 104:3 – “He lays the beams of His upper chambers in the waters; He makes the clouds His chariot; He walks upon the wings of the wind;” Here, the Psalmist demonstrates the power of God over the natural world.
3. Jeremiah 4:13 – "Behold, he goes up like clouds, and his chariots like the whirlwind; His horses are swifter than eagles. Woe to us, for we are ruined!"
Chariots, horses, whirlwind, eagles, these are all images that represent war and destruction. When God is riding on his swift cloud or coming in the clouds, this is never a good thing. Destruction is immanent and the end result will always be the woes of the people.
NT imagery of this judgment figure.
1. Matthew 24:26 – “And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory.”(Also, Mark 13:26)
2. Matthew 24:30 - “And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory.”
3. Matthew 26:63 and 64 – “But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest said to Him, “I adjure You by the living God, that You tell us whether You are the Christ, the Son of God.” Jesus said to him, “You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN.” This is why the high priest tore his cloths and accused Jesus of blasphemy. He knew what Jesus was claiming by this statement. Only God comes in the clouds or rides on the swift clouds. He did not misunderstand. In effect, what Jesus was telling the high priest is that they are going to see HIM bring judgment upon upon the nation of Israel.
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I know next to nothing about all this, but I do wonder about this verse you posted, because, well, quite frankly, I wonder if it will be a world wide event where everyone sees Him at one and the same time, or a type of thing where Jesus appears to the person who is being called/saved... and since that is a spiritual experience, it is a coming on the clouds as it were, and could happen as many times per day throughout history as God deems necessary... just a thought Feel free to tell me all the reasons why it could not possibly happen that way.
Feel free to tell me all the reasons why it could not possibly happen that way. I myself believe that he will come all at once, and all men will see him all at the same time. I believe why this will happen, is because he says many false prophets will claim to be him. I am an artist, and picturing his coming is going to be so amazing, that all will drop to their knees, or try to flee and hide.
I know next to nothing about all this, but I do wonder about this verse you posted, because, well, quite frankly, I wonder if it will be a world wide event where everyone sees Him at one and the same time, or a type of thing where Jesus appears to the person who is being called/saved... and since that is a spiritual experience, it is a coming on the clouds as it were, and could happen as many times per day throughout history as God deems necessary... just a thought Feel free to tell me all the reasons why it could not possibly happen that way.
Feel free to tell me all the reasons why it could not possibly happen that way. After saying this, Jesus was taken up while those who had gathered together were watching, and a cloud took him out of their sight. While he was going and they were gazing up toward heaven, two men in white robes stood right beside them. They asked, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking up toward heaven? This same Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you saw him go up into heaven."
(Act 1:9-11)
He left seen in His Body, He'll come back seen in His body.
I did neither when God appeared to me, and spoke. I could hardly believe it was happening, for starters. I did try to deny the experience, but eventually had to, or chose to, accept that it was real. That may sound like a matter-of-fact telling but I can assure you, at the time I was anything but matter of fact about it all. It was one of the most... unnerving experiences of my life, completely rocked my world, and eventually turned everything I thought I knew on it's head, as it were. In short, I became a believer because of the events of that fateful day. Biggest change of my life!