Proof of a Future Millennial Kingdom

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are were here now, then?
Of course. On an earth so purified of rebellion that GOD the father is able to make his home here.

how can there be no more crying, sorrow or DEATH for 1,000 years, then the great battle and death and hell and stuff? when you just posted Hebrew pictures talking about death and dying?
I think that must be referring to the new heavens and new earth.

WHEN does this happen?

Revelation 21
A New Heaven and a New Earth

1Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. 2And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling placea of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people,b and God himself will be with them as their God.c 4He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.”

22And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb. 23And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb. 24By its light will the nations walk, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it, 25and its gates will never be shut by day—and there will be no night there. 26They will bring into it the glory and the honor of the nations. 27But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
After the 1000 years...
 
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where's this?
who survives what holocaust?
my guess is people who are not in Christ, but who by GOD's grace survive the coming holocaust. It's a big planet. As ugly as it's going to get, it's really hard to imagine all human life dying. These people will repopulate the planet under the leadership of Christ.
 

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what is the 1,000 years FOR?

seriously....what didn't happen between the first and Second Advent that needs to happen during exactly 1,000 years after that?
what's it FOR?
 

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my guess is people who are not in Christ, but who by GOD's grace survive the coming holocaust. It's a big planet. As ugly as it's going to get, it's really hard to imagine all human life dying. These people will repopulate the planet under the leadership of Christ.
what coming holocaust?
where is that in scripture?

because if you have a 1,000 years AFTER He returns, you have another holocaust at the end of it - oddly, identical to the one that happens 1,000 years before....right?

Revelation 20:8
7When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, 8and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore. 9And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them.
 
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what coming holocaust?
where is that in scripture?

because if you have a 1,000 years AFTER He returns, you have another holocaust at the end of it - oddly, identical to the one that happens 1,000 years before....right?
What can I say... man likes to play with fire. I probably don't have to direct you to the scriptures that describe the wicked being burned up in fire.
 

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,,,,,and a thousand years as,,,,,,"one day",,,both,,,,
 

zone

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What can I say... man likes to play with fire. I probably don't have to direct you to the scriptures that describe the wicked being burned up in fire.
alright.
and you think people survive that?

2 Peter 3
Christ's Coming Judgment

6through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. 7 But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

are you saying ppl survive this (the day of judgment), and enter a 1,000 temporary peaceful (but ending in the great war of Gog & Magog with satan running rampant) kingdom with glorified saints and Glorified Jesus in Person ruling from the rubble in old Jerusalem - for a temporary period?

WHAT FOR?

if He's just going to destroy it after and we have a New Heaven and New Earth?
 
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are you saying ppl survive this (the day of judgment), and enter a 1,000 temporary peaceful (but ending in the great war of Gog & Magog with satan running rampant) kingdom with glorified saints and Glorified Jesus in Person ruling from the rubble in old Jerusalem - for a temporary period?

WHAT FOR?

if He's just going to destroy it after and we have a New Heaven and New Earth?
It's called purification of the earth so that GOD the father can dwell here...

But whenever all things are subjected to [Christ], then the Son himself also will be subjected to the [father] who subjected all things to [Christ], in order that God may be all in all. 1 Corinthians 15:28


And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared like a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, ​“Behold, the dwelling of God is with humanity, and he will take up residence with them, and they will be his people and God himself will be with them as their God. Revelation 21:2-3


Why are you trying to deny Christ his reign? What do you think he is going to reign over? He is the son of man who was given dominion over the earth.
 

iamsoandso

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after the mill./1000 years satin is loosed,and goes out to deceive the earth,,gog and magog,,,"after the mill/one day?",,,there is still sin,,,,,,
 

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Yahweh allows people to choose their path. He has allowed mankind to go their way for x amout of years since Adam, and all man has brought is death and war. When Yahweh Shammah (the kingdom of Yahweh) comes to earth, and satan is bound for 1,000 years, there will be no evil influence and all living, in the kingdom or out will see what effect the keeping of Yahweh's Laws have. When satan is loosed some will still join satan to battle against Yahshua at the battle of Har-Meggido, that is when all evil will be eradacated forever.

Revelation 20:1-4, "And I saw a malak come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, who is the Devil, and Satan bound for a thousand years. And cast satan into the bottomless pit, and shut satan up, and set a seal upon satan, that satan should deceive the nations no more, until the thousand years should be finished; and after that satan must be loosed a little season. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them. And I saw the souls of those who were beheaded for their witness of Yahshua and for the word of Yahweh and who had not worshiped the beast, nor his likeness, neither had received his mark in their foreheads nor upon their hands; and they lived and reigned with the Messiah a thousand years."

This verse shows there will still be "flesh" alive in the new heavens and new earth period.

Isayah 66:22-23, "For as the inew heavens and the new earth which I will make will remain before Me, says Yahweh: so will your seed and your name remain. And it will come to pass that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh will come to worship before Me, says Yahweh."

Zecharyah 14:16-17, "Then it will come to pass that everyone who survives of all the nations which came against Yerusalem, will also go up from year to year to worship the King, Yahweh of hosts, by keeping the Feasts of Tabernacles. And it will be that if any families of
the earth will not come up to Yerusalem to worship the King, Yahweh of hosts, then upon them will be no rain."
 
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Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

is this fulfilled? or future?

24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. - Daniel 9:24 (KJV)



This is a prophecy. Now of the 70 weeks that are prophesied 69 of them have already been fulfilled. Right now we are in the Church Age (Dispensation of Grace). Once the Rapture happens, that will end the Church Age and Daniel's 70th week will begin, also known as the time of Jacob's trouble.


The Church Age is right between the 69th week and the 70th week.



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25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. - Daniel 9:25 (KJV)


This was fulfilled with the birth of Jesus Christ.




26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. - Daniel 9:26 (KJV)



The first part of this verse was fulfilled at the Crucifixion of Jesus.


The second part of the verse where it prophecies that the city and sanctuary would be destroyed was fulfilled in 70 A.D. with the destruction of the city and temple.



27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. - Daniel 9:27 (KJV)




The he that confirms the covenant with many for one week is the anti-christ. The anti-christ (beast) will make a 7 year covenant with the Jews and in the midst of that week (7 year period of time), in the middle of that 7 year period, he will break the covenant.


Now how can we know that the he in Daniel 9:27 is the anti-christ? Well by comparing Scripture with Scripture:



11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. - Daniel 12:11 (KJV)



15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) - Matthew 24:15 (KJV)



14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains: - Mark 13:14 (KJV)



Hence, the he that confirms the covenant with many for one week, is the same he that shall cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease, and to make it desolate by the overspreading of the abominations. Therefore, we can know without a doubt that the he in Daniel 9:27 is the anti-christ.


So when the anti-christ breaks the covenant with Israel. These following Scriptures will be fulfilled:


Daniel 12:11, Matthew 24:15, Mark 13:14, and 2 Thessalonians 2:4.



3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. - 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 (KJV)




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So the only prophecy that has not yet been fulfilled in that passage of Scripture that you shared (Daniel 9:24-27) is the 70th week of Daniel (Daniel 9:27). Which is the time of Jacob's trouble. It is the time of Jacob's trouble and the covenant that the anti-christ makes with the Jews to restore the temple sacrifices and his breaking of that covenant in the middle of that 7 year period that is being prophesied in Daniel 9:27.
 

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It's called purification of the earth so that GOD the father can dwell here...

But whenever all things are subjected to [Christ], then the Son himself also will be subjected to the [father] who subjected all things to [Christ], in order that God may be all in all. 1 Corinthians 15:28


And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared like a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, ​“Behold, the dwelling of God is with humanity, and he will take up residence with them, and they will be his people and God himself will be with them as their God. Revelation 21:2-3


Why are you trying to deny Christ his reign? What do you think he is going to reign over? He is the son of man who was given dominion over the earth.
wha? i'm not denying His reign:)
He's reigning now:)

Hebrews 1:8
But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.

you're quoting eternity passages - after the judgment. i agree - that's next.

where's the 1,000 gap - kingdom?

will He not reign through eternity?
is He not reigning now?

He is exalted at the right hand of God, ruling in the midst of His enemies now.
He is both King and Priest now....right?
 

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week,days plural and years,,,,,everything but "and a thousand years as one day",,,as peter stated,,,,,
 

zone

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But they won't be there in the new earth... except in the lake of fire...
but....you had this as the 1,000 year temporary kingdom:

It's unscriptural that men's life spans decreased dramatically as they moved farther away from the revelation of GOD in the garden? And it's total speculation that life spans will increase dramatically as the knowledge of GOD increases dramatically?

Neither shall there be there any more a child that dies untimely, or an old man who shall not complete his time: for the youth shall be a hundred years old, and the sinner who dies at a hundred years shall also be accursed: Isaiah 65:20
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iamsoandso

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as if he were not bound in chains,,,the one day,when your lord was nailed to the cross,the one day he would to have had the power to stand still,,,,,,,
 
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but....you had this as the 1,000 year temporary kingdom:



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It's not a 1000-year temporary kingdom. It is an eternal kingdom that never ends. The 1000-year period is just a period of rebuilding the earth and restoring righteousness to it. At the end of that time the wicked will rebel, but they will be destroyed and the earth will be forever cleansed of sin. The kingdom will not cease... ever.
 

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24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. - Daniel 9:24 (KJV)

This is a prophecy. Now of the 70 weeks that are prophesied 69 of them have already been fulfilled. Right now we are in the Church Age (Dispensation of Grace). Once the Rapture happens, that will end the Church Age and Daniel's 70th week will begin, also known as the time of Jacob's trouble.

The Church Age is right between the 69th week and the 70th week.

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. - Daniel 9:25 (KJV)

This was fulfilled with the birth of Jesus Christ.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. - Daniel 9:26 (KJV)

The first part of this verse was fulfilled at the Crucifixion of Jesus.

The second part of the verse where it prophecies that the city and sanctuary would be destroyed was fulfilled in 70 A.D. with the destruction of the city and temple.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. - Daniel 9:27 (KJV)

The he that confirms the covenant with many for one week is the anti-christ. The anti-christ (beast) will make a 7 year covenant with the Jews and in the midst of that week (7 year period of time), in the middle of that 7 year period, he will break the covenant.

Now how can we know that the he in Daniel 9:27 is the anti-christ? Well by comparing Scripture with Scripture:

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. - Daniel 12:11 (KJV)

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) - Matthew 24:15 (KJV)

14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains: - Mark 13:14 (KJV)

Hence, the he that confirms the covenant with many for one week, is the same he that shall cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease, and to make it desolate by the overspreading of the abominations. Therefore, we can know without a doubt that the he in Daniel 9:27 is the anti-christ.

So when the anti-christ breaks the covenant with Israel. These following Scriptures will be fulfilled:

Daniel 12:11, Matthew 24:15, Mark 13:14, and 2 Thessalonians 2:4.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. - 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 (KJV)

So the only prophecy that has not yet been fulfilled in that passage of Scripture that you shared (Daniel 9:24-27) is the 70th week of Daniel (Daniel 9:27). Which is the time of Jacob's trouble. It is the time of Jacob's trouble and the covenant that the anti-christ makes with the Jews to restore the temple sacrifices and his breaking of that covenant in the middle of that 7 year period that is being prophesied in Daniel 9:27.


so what happened to bring about "The Church Age......between the 69th week and the 70th week. "

why the huge 2000 year GAP?

why did the prophetic clock stop?

because the jews rejected Jesus so God decided to blind them and call gentiles (in an Age of Pure Grace, the Church Age)?
then gentiles get raptured away just before....what? God returns to The Jews and and what....they build a Temple?

is He happy with a New Temple? do they sacrifice animals again?

the Antichrist appears where? in Jerusalem obviously because you have people being told to pray it's not the Sabbath, to flee Judea and so on. he sits in the New Temple? and that makes God angry? or what?

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who is the Antichrist?