PROOF that the Trinity is a false doctrine

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

Thanks for all the name calling.

Nope. None of those are names; just as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit aren't names as used in triune baptism.

So far...

Naive

In question form.

Paranoid

A responsive description of your behavior.

Scared

My responsive perception based on your accusations.

Accusational

A valid responsive assessment of your... ummm... accusations.

keep em coming.

An unwarranted victim mentality. I answered your continued questions about terminology. Then you accused me of instigating a merely semantical conflict that would be instrumental in ushering in genocide for professing Christians.

My passion and burden is for those who are lost because of rote indoctrination as I was. I was lost and deceived by Trinity doctrine and Dispensational teaching. My search for truth and my challenge of incomplete and erroneous Godhead doctrine doesn't warrant your assimilating my efforts toward scriptural truth with the Talmudic agenda.

 

[Muskokaman]

So... Now God is "3 separate entities" and "not one being". (above bolded) That's not even Trinity. That's outright unveiled Tritheism.

I have no issues with the rest. For some reason, Trinis think everything can only be accounted for within Trinity doctrine by default. Every God-model has a thorough apologetic to account for these various passages. Declared assent by personal perception and indoctrination is NOT "proof".

It's not personal perception it's black and white in the scripture.

You are made of flesh and spirit true?
so if you are made of flesh and spirit do you consider your spirit to be seperate from you or the part of you that makes you, you?
The flesh is dead nothing more than carbon atoms, minerals and water.
The spirit lives forever.
Jesus is the son of the Father correct?
Just as my son is of me or from me So Jesus is from the Father
Jesus was born into a corporreal body of a direct descent from Abraham. This also fulfilled prophecies going all the way back to Genesis made just a little lower than the angels so he could glorify The Father by sacrificing himself for our sins Heb.2.9

1. Hebrews 2:9 (Whole Chapter)
   But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
2. Hebrews 1:5 (Whole Chapter)
   For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
3. 1 Peter 3:22 (Whole Chapter)
   Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
   
   If we are to be in the presence God we have to be without sin since we cannot God sent Jesus to show us the way as well as to sacrifice himself for our sins that we may be free from sin if we believe in him and in this fashion, is Jesus our great intercessor or redeemer.
4. In 1 Peter 3:22 we see reference of the manner of Jesus's ascencion into heaven and to what authority has been bestowed upon him which is everything under God himself.
5. Gods Holy spirit well........It's Gods after all he is God he can do what he wishes with his spirit.
6. 
   Selah

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

It's not personal perception it's black and white in the scripture.

You are made of flesh and spirit true?
so if you are made of flesh and spirit do you consider your spirit to be seperate from you or the part of you that makes you, you?
The flesh is dead nothing more than carbon atoms, minerals and water.
The spirit lives forever.
Jesus is the son of the Father correct?
Just as my son is of me or from me So Jesus is from the Father
Jesus was born into a corporreal body of a direct descent from Abraham. This also fulfilled prophecies going all the way back to Genesis made just a little lower than the angels so he could glorify The Father by sacrificing himself for our sins Heb.2.9

1. Hebrews 2:9 (Whole Chapter)
   But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
2. Hebrews 1:5 (Whole Chapter)
   For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
3. 1 Peter 3:22 (Whole Chapter)
   Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
   
   If we are to be in the presence God we have to be without sin since we cannot God sent Jesus to show us the way as well as to sacrifice himself for our sins that we may be free from sin if we believe in him and in this fashion, is Jesus our great intercessor or redeemer.
4. In 1 Peter 3:22 we see reference of the manner of Jesus's ascencion into heaven and to what authority has been bestowed upon him which is everything under God himself.
5. Gods Holy spirit well........It's Gods after all he is God he can do what he wishes with his spirit.
6. 
   Selah

None of this is in dispute, and has nothing directly to do with Trinity doctrine and the declaration that God is three "persons".

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

Why do I care what the word means in CREEDAL TERMS?

I'm not in a CREED. Am I still allowed to use the word and apply my own terms to it?



Well to me "persons" means aspects/manifestation so **stick tongue out**



Well I'm reclaiming the word TRINITY and making it mean 3 in 1, 1 in 3.

I dont care what meanings anyone else applies to terms theologans use!



I dont fear anything. Christians will be persecuted and martyred its a fact.

And this semantic claptrap is gonna help that happen.

Congrats.

BTW... Every Trinitarian apologist for the last 17 millennia would take issue with your assertions, including (no, ESPECIALLY) your reformed heroes. All of them. From Augustine and Luther to Calvin and beyond (though Augustine himself confounded the "persons" for the sake of attributes). You would be anathema to them and outside the faith.

Your position is staked out between the proverbial "rock" and "hard spot". Take a stand. You either agree God is three "persons" or He isn't.

 

[Rant]

Love It>>>>>>>> What A Joke >>>>>>> and This Is A Jesus Forum !>>>>very interesting!

 

[Rant]

The Rapture will soon >>>>>>>>>>>> can you hear the Horn And T^hats It! Jesus Bless Israel Is Gods Time LinE

 

[jimmydiggs]

ITT: Heresy

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

Love It>>>>>>>> What A Joke >>>>>>> and This Is A Jesus Forum !>>>>very interesting!

You're kinda the Ernest T. Bass of CC, just running around throwing rocks through everybody's windows while laughing maniacally to yourself and uttering unintelligable blips of phrases.

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

ITT: Heresy

Clarify... What is ITT?

 

[jimmydiggs]

Clarify... What is ITT?

In this thread.

 

[Nalu]

The Godhead is triune in nature.

Not any institutions definition of triune...just the simplest definition.

3 in 1.

1 in 3.

If you wanna impose the creedal dogmas of certain institutions that use the words trinity or triune and layer them over my simple definition to label me an IDOLATOR....then go for it. Just know that you are contributing to the PHARISAIC TALMUDIC killing machine in the form of the Noahide laws that will murder the Saints en masse in the near future.

Yep, I agree, 1 john chapter 5 verses 7-8, John chapter 1 verse 14 and John 14 verses 10 and 11.
Very plain, very simple.

 

[WeStand]

Yep, I agree, 1 john chapter 5 verses 7-8, John chapter 1 verse 14 and John 14 verses 10 and 11.
Very plain, very simple.[/quote

Typiacal Zone Clone ATTITUDE

Forever in Christ

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

In this thread.

Thanx, JD.

Yes, Filioque Trinity is heresy. Non-Filioque Trinity is more on the order of incomplete and erroneous, and in need of correction.

BTW... Heresy originally simply meant teaching. After Iraeneus' "Against Heresies" writings, heresy came to be known as wrong or incorrect teaching.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Thanx, JD.

Yes, Filioque Trinity is heresy. Non-Filioque Trinity is more on the order of incomplete and erroneous, and in need of correction.

BTW... Heresy originally simply meant teaching. After Iraeneus' "Against Heresies" writings, heresy came to be known as wrong or incorrect teaching.

Rejecting the trinity, or the divinity of Christ (can't really have one withou the other) is heresy.

 

[Strangelove]

Nope. None of those are names; just as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit aren't names as used in triune baptism.



In question form.



A responsive description of your behavior.



My responsive perception based on your accusations.



A valid responsive assessment of your... ummm... accusations.



An unwarranted victim mentality. I answered your continued questions about terminology. Then you accused me of instigating a merely semantical conflict that would be instrumental in ushering in genocide for professing Christians.

My passion and burden is for those who are lost because of rote indoctrination as I was. I was lost and deceived by Trinity doctrine and Dispensational teaching. My search for truth and my challenge of incomplete and erroneous Godhead doctrine doesn't warrant your assimilating my efforts toward scriptural truth with the Talmudic agenda.

Yada Yada...**lots of long impressive words** waffle waffle.

Keep the names coming.

 

[Strangelove]

BTW... Every Trinitarian apologist for the last 17 millennia would take issue with your assertions, including (no, ESPECIALLY) your reformed heroes. All of them. From Augustine and Luther to Calvin and beyond (though Augustine himself confounded the "persons" for the sake of attributes). You would be anathema to them and outside the faith.

Your position is staked out between the proverbial "rock" and "hard spot". Take a stand. You either agree God is three "persons" or He isn't.

Yeah god is three..."persons"

MY definition of persons.

Where did any of the reformers say that the 3 had seperate sentient conciousness?

If they did then I will happily distance myself from the reformers even though they are not by any means my heroes. Never read a word by any of 'em.

Jesus is my hero.

 

[Abiding]

You're kinda the Ernest T. Bass of CC, just running around throwing rocks through everybody's windows while laughing maniacally to yourself and uttering unintelligable blips of phrases.

thanks for the interpretation...cuz i sure didnt get it

 

[Fencepost]

Simple question: God said let us make man in our image. who was God talking to?

 

[Strangelove]

Simple question: God said let us make man in our image. who was God talking to?

Another "person" of the trinity...

OH DRAT!

Without really thinking about it...I've gone and used a word which some nitpicky semantic soldiers who need to get out more have attached creedal dogmas and the philosophies of theologans to, and am therefore branded an idoaltor not only by them but also by talmudic pharisees who's NOAHIDE LAWS are officially recognized by US public law and are also being heavily pushed by UN member states and include the prohibition of idolatry (specifically trinitarianism) the punishment for which is DEATH BY DECAPITATION.

YIPPEE!

BRING IT!

So next time you wanna describe our Godhead make sure you've studies 2000 years of religious creedal dogma in every institution that claims officiality and also try and have a doctorate in theology.

 

[Fencepost]

<dances> Well, you won't be the only one, quick to the christian catacombs.