Prophets and Apostles.

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V_nesza said:
sum people dont believe in apostles and prophets so i believe that that means that they dont have a foundation so thats means that
god is still in the process of laying his foundation to those who dont have one..


( hope ya´ll understand what im saying im still working on my english )
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I understand they don't understand bible For Christ is the foundation of the Church if it is built on man it will fall , But The Rock ( Jesus ) is the foundation of the Church

1co 3:9For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.1co 3:10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.1co 3:11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
 
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MaggieMye said:
In what capacity to you hold BOTH offices? Where in scripture does one read that a prophet was also an apostle. Apostles are the ones that go to different regions and plant churches. The OFFICE of the prophet is always a prophetically gifted person that is called to regions larger than one's own church.
Apostles, while called to be so by God, ALL undergo training, as do those called to the OFFICE of the prophet. Being apostolic or prophetic does NOT mean that one is called to the OFFICE. We are all called to be prophetic...hearing the voice of God in order to edify, exhort, and comfort the Body of Christ. Paul mentions several times another disciple that he was training, raising up into the office of the apostolic. Without proper mentorship and guidance from senior (older, more mature in the Lord) apostles and prophets, we end up with too many people that THINK they are called to the office when they are not and they most often end up in heresy of some sort.
So again, in what capacity are you able to function in BOTH?
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so are you saying that the Apostles we have in the bible couldn't have been Prophets also ?????
 
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ummmm amen to that.

While it is impossible to totally separate prophecy from prophets, it doesn't take a prophet to prophesy. Prophecy is a call to a person to deliver a specific revealed message. The one who speaks it is not responsible for the response, only for its delivery. God can choose anyone to speak a needed truth, even a donkey, as Balaam found out. Amos, the first of the so-called 'minor' prophets, wasn't a career prophet but a herdsman and tree-tender who obeyed God's call to prophesy on a few brief but very important occasions. ~ Oct 2003, Robert Longman Jr.
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if you say a prophecy then you are a prophet/prophetess , what do you mean it doesn't take a prophet to prophesy
 
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MaggieMye said:
Gifts of the Holy Spirit are not the same thing as an office of ministry. Gifts are given by God at conception. Each person excells at one, two or three but can operate in all of them; discernment, wisdom, healing, hospitality/serving/helps; prophecy; words of knowledge, etc....these are not offices. Offices of ministry are VOCATIONS and in the Bible, you never see anyone operating in more than one office. But in each of those offices, are all the giftings at some degree or another.
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" you never see anyone operating in more than one office" this is a false statement :

Eph 4:11And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
as stated eariler in a small church you may not have five people and some have to have more than one calling look at Paul although He never pastor, he was an Apostle and a teacher, :
Ro 1:1Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an Apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

Ac 15:35Paul also and Barnabas continued in Antioch, teaching and preaching the word of the Lord, with many others also.


Ac 5:40And to him they agreed: and when they had called the APOSTLEs, and beaten them, they commanded that they should not speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go.
here peter and other Apostles were evanelists, they preached Jesus in the streets :

and there were twelve , well thirteen counting paul so they hade plenty of disciples to fill the 5 offices but were had more than one office
 
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That's a Prophostle.
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or a aposthet,
but i do struggle with pastors being evangelist or vise versa. a pastor is to look after the flock , hard for someone to look after the flock, if they are traveling around all over the country. but I know some that do it.
 
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I guess the words pastor are used for anyone in any leadership position these days. If a pastor isn't that good at looking after the flock but good at evangelism, I guess they are not really gifted to be a pastor but an evangelist or apostle.
 
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Thaddaeus said:
if you say a prophecy then you are a prophet/prophetess , what do you mean it doesn't take a prophet to prophesy
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I really don't believe that we have to be a prophet to prophesy.. my Pastor has prophesied and hes not a prophet but he functions in that gift?
 
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Paul was an apostle not a teacher. He held the OFFICE of an apostle, not that of a teacher. That is not to say that a person holding a specific office is not able to DO the other things. Paul told us that he would that we would ALL prophesy, which is to say that we CAN. But it doesn't mean we are in the office of the prophetic. Apostles should be able to teach, preach (pastor), prophesy and evangelize because all of these things are necessary for planting new churches or establishing the Body in new territory (think missionaries). Most prophets are not adept at ALL of the other offices (5-fold). Most can, however, do, when necessary, teaching, preaching, and even evangelizing, and rarely plant churches. Most of those in the office of teacher, can preach and/or shepherd a flock (pastor), and evangelize. Most in the office of the evangelist are not very good a pastoring, although some pastors can and do evangelize. So, while most Christians do not hold the office of a Prophet, they CAN prophesy. One is a vocation, the other is a gifting.
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Yes, there are apostles and prophets. Even a few who are called to both roles.
 
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Can you show in the Bible where any one man holds the office of more than one?
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Apostle...is anyone who belives in God. Do you believe in God? If so you are a apostle. Go tell people about Jesus thats what we're here for. Gods people are the church. The foundation. People that will be strong. Jesus is the rock we stand on. Our strong foundation. He's not a brick we cement into a corner of the wall. He's God our strength our foundation. Yes there are prophets. Learn God and pray to be one. The gifts are for all christians. Learn the bible very well so you can be very careful of some of the very bad answers you get on this site. God bless you, Love
 
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Apostle...is anyone who believes in God. Do you believe in God? If so you are a apostle.Not true. Those that believe in Jesus are DISCIPLES. There were many, even in the day of Jesus that believed in His deity, but they were not apostles. Nowheredoes scripture refer to all believers as 'aplostles. Go tell people about Jesus thats what we're here for. Gods people are the church. The foundation. People that will be strong. Jesus is the rock we stand on. Jesus is the cornerstone, which actually is at the TOP of the structure…just as Christ is the HEAD of the body.

1. 1 Corinthians 12:28
And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues If apostles are FIRST, then there must be others that are not.
2. 1 Corinthians 12:29
All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they? This clearly says that not all are apostles…which, BTW, is an office of vocation.
Ephesians 4:11
And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, again, not all believers are apostles.

Our strong foundation. He's not a brick we cement into a corner of the wall. He's God our strength our foundation. Yes there are prophets. Learn God and pray to be one. The gifts are for all Christians. Learn the bible very well so you can be very careful of some of the very bad answers you get on this site. God bless you, Love See what you wrote and I underlined....to say we are all apostles is incorrect.
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Look in the dictionary a apostle is a disiple of Jesus to preach God. We are all to preach God. Every single person who loves God should be preaching God unless they want people to go to hell. Peter a fisher man was just a regular person like us. Paul was a evil terrible person but still just a person. We are all to bring others to the Kingdom of God. All. Thers nothing in the bible that says we can't more than one gift. So pray for them all. Be like the apostle in the bible who preached God, who layed hands and healed in Jesus name, who cast out demons, who heard and spoke what they heard from God. The girl was asking about the God as the foundation. Not understanding what foundation meant. They were talking about corner stones not knowing what it meant. Yes God is the head. I hope God gives you many of the gifts. They are for everyone. God bless you much, Love
 
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Yes, we should all be apostolic in Nature; going forth, spreading the Good News. But the OFFICE of an apostle is not for everyone and scripture backs that up.
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Yes, I was called as a prohet!
 
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Can you show in the Bible where any one man holds the office of more than one?
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Acts 13:1 demonstrates that people can be called to fill multiple roles/ministries.
 
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