Proverbs 17:8

[breno785au]

A gift is as a precious stone in the eyes of him that hath it: whithersoever it turneth, it prospereth.
Proverbs 17:8 KJV

I was reading this morning and I have no idea what this is saying so I turned to other translations and most of them translate gift as 'bribe' and basically saying whoever gives one will prosper.
Now I know bribes are wrong and God hates them so I'd like to know if anyone can help explain what this is saying.
The closest translation that sounds right to me is this one:

Some people think a bribe is like a lucky charm—it seems to work wherever they go.
Proverbs 17:8 ERV

I guess bribes do work when the receiver accepts it, is that basically what it's saying?

 

[dcontroversal]

A bribe is seen as a charm by the one who gives it; they think success will come at every turn.

It seems to indicate that the ones giving the bribe thinks it is like a lucky charm and that it will bring success every time they give a bribe....think about the truth of this....one who bribes someone thinks it will work in their favor...just like a lucky charm....

 

[Zmouth]

A gift is as a precious stone in the eyes of him that hath it: Proverbs 17:20

A precious stone refers to a truth given from the LORD, who is the Rock as written in Duet 32:4.

And as written in the book of John the only good gift is the gift that which is received from heaven, meaning to literally place value, or worth in. (See Proverbs 23:23)

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. James 1:17

The Parable of the Sower will explain the "whithersoever it turneth, it prospereth." But the sword is two edged so that is not the only way it could be interpreted.

 

[Meggido]

A gift is as a precious stone in the eyes of him that hath it: whithersoever it turneth, it prospereth.
Proverbs 17:8 KJV

I was reading this morning and I have no idea what this is saying so I turned to other translations and most of them translate gift as 'bribe' and basically saying whoever gives one will prosper.
Now I know bribes are wrong and God hates them so I'd like to know if anyone can help explain what this is saying.
The closest translation that sounds right to me is this one:

Some people think a bribe is like a lucky charm—it seems to work wherever they go.
Proverbs 17:8 ERV

I guess bribes do work when the receiver accepts it, is that basically what it's saying?

The context and theme of all Proverbs 17 is contrasting the upright[righteous/blessed] with the wicked...

17.8 is like what DCON said, it is the briber who believes his bribes will allow him to prosper

 

[stonesoffire]

What translation are you using Dcon?

I see practically the same words in my Hebrew to English bible.

 

[stonesoffire]

I forgot to post it..

A bribe works like a charm in the view of him who gives it; wherever it turns, it succeeds.

 

[dcontroversal]

What translation are you using Dcon?

I see practically the same words in my Hebrew to English bible.

I googled the verse and use bible hub......don't remember which one I grabbed......there were about 30 translations and that one seemed to say it best or was easier to understand.....was like in the first two or three on the list....

 

[tooldtocare]

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A gift is as a precious stone in the eyes of him that hath it: whithersoever it turneth, it prospereth.
Proverbs 17:8 KJV

I was reading this morning and I have no idea what this is saying so I turned to other translations and most of them translate gift as 'bribe' and basically saying whoever gives one will prosper.
Now I know bribes are wrong and God hates them so I'd like to know if anyone can help explain what this is saying.
The closest translation that sounds right to me is this one:

Some people think a bribe is like a lucky charm—it seems to work wherever they go.
Proverbs 17:8 ERV

I guess bribes do work when the receiver accepts it, is that basically what it's saying?

I believe its says about Jesus
KJV1Peter2:6-7 6.Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. 7.Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner. The next verse says The Lord against a bribe (he put it on list of transgressions and sins) KJVAmos5:12 5.For I know your manifold transgressions and you mighty sins: they afflict the just, they take a bribe, and they turn aside poor in the gate from their right.

 

[mcubed]

I like this post it got me to thinking. There is a traditional way to think about a bribe… in a sinister sort of way… but bribes are not all sinister. I guess I use bribes a lot, if I think about it. At home, I will tell my son I will pay him to make me coffee, on my days off. At work, I bribe people all the time, if my team hits their numbers I will buy them lunch or sometimes I offer what they truly love time off the phone.

It’s human nature people love rewards for behavior.

 

[20]

I like this post it got me to thinking. There is a traditional way to think about a bribe… in a sinister sort of way… but bribes are not all sinister. I guess I use bribes a lot, if I think about it. At home, I will tell my son I will pay him to make me coffee, on my days off. At work, I bribe people all the time, if my team hits their numbers I will buy them lunch or sometimes I offer what they truly love time off the phone.

It’s human nature people love rewards for behavior.

Hello mcubed, Do you have opinion based on Scripture?

 

[oldethennew]

any gift from our Saviour is the most precious, loving expression that any
man/woman can imagine, much less be able to receive...in our 'human bodies'...

 

[breno785au]

I like this post it got me to thinking. There is a traditional way to think about a bribe… in a sinister sort of way… but bribes are not all sinister. I guess I use bribes a lot, if I think about it. At home, I will tell my son I will pay him to make me coffee, on my days off. At work, I bribe people all the time, if my team hits their numbers I will buy them lunch or sometimes I offer what they truly love time off the phone.

It’s human nature people love rewards for behavior.

Is there a difference between bribe and incentive?

 

[Desertsrose]

Yes, Bueno! I believe there is. Or we could call it a reward for a job well done.


Like with children for instance. We're at the grocery store and our young one decides they don't want to get into the grocery cart. So we might search frantically to find a piece of candy or money or whatever and tell them if they get in the cart, they can have the candy. So they get in the cart. This is bribery. We want something done and don't care if we're teaching our child something negative. We're encouraging bad behavior in the instead.


However, what if we told our child that if they get in the grocery cart they will receive a candy when the grocery shopping is finished. That's teaching them good behavior. They receive a reward for their good behavior.

 

[Huckleberry]

A gift is as a precious stone in the eyes of him that hath it:
whithersoever it turneth, it prospereth.
Proverbs 17:8 KJV

Looks good from every angle.
Win win.

 

[breno785au]

Yes, Bueno! I believe there is. Or we could call it a reward for a job well done.


Like with children for instance. We're at the grocery store and our young one decides they don't want to get into the grocery cart. So we might search frantically to find a piece of candy or money or whatever and tell them if they get in the cart, they can have the candy. So they get in the cart. This is bribery. We want something done and don't care if we're teaching our child something negative. We're encouraging bad behavior in the instead.


However, what if we told our child that if they get in the grocery cart they will receive a candy when the grocery shopping is finished. That's teaching them good behavior. They receive a reward for their good behavior.

Yes there is a difference. Like with my children, their incentive to finish their dinner is a biscuit at the end of meal

Looks good from every angle.
Win win.

Bribery is commonly used to pervert the course of justice or to gain an advantage - mostly for a situation.

 

[BeyondET]

Bribe seems to be not a good choice to use, I've always assumed gift means to give,

forgiftness

 

[Huckleberry]

Bribery is commonly used to pervert the course of justice
or to gain an advantage - mostly for a situation.

You asked a question, I paraphrased in modern terms.
It doesn't say "bribe", it says "gift".
If the translators thought it was in the context of bribery, they would have said "bribe".
The Hebrew shachad can mean present, bribe, or reward.
A reward is used to induce justice.
Again the KJV gets it right, and all the "corrections" get it wrong.