Question about Judas
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Well as long as the thread is already open.... I have more evidence of a infallible God apparently using fallible human testimony to write His revealed Word.
The Last words of Jesus:
Luke 23:46
And Jesus, crying out with a loud voice, said, “Father, into Your hands I commit My spirit.” Having said this, He breathed His last.
John 19:30
When he had received the drink, Jesus said,“It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
The Last words of Jesus:
Luke 23:46
And Jesus, crying out with a loud voice, said, “Father, into Your hands I commit My spirit.” Having said this, He breathed His last.
John 19:30
When he had received the drink, Jesus said,“It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
one explanation i've heard of this is that John was closer to the cross than Luke, so Luke heard what He yelled, and John heard what He said under His breath.
it is good to know that the apostles were human
it is good to know that the apostles were human
Can we agree then that the Bible is not 100% infallible, meaning that not every word is absolute truth?
This was covered like a month or two ago and with much division and argumentative responses and it seems that when all accounts are taken into view a complete picture comes forth.......as the bible does not contradict itself....when Judas threw the money back it was still attributed to Judas as the priests could not take blood money into the synagogue treasury.
Matthew seems to deal with the mode of the attempted suicide, Acts describes the results. Judas apparently tied a rope to the branch of a tree, put a noose around his neck, and tried to hang himself by jumping off a cliff. Combining the two accounts, it seems that either the rope or the tree limb broke so that he plunged downward and burst open on the rocks below. The topography around Jerusalem makes such a conclusion reasonable.
Also related to his death is the question of who bought the burial field with the 30 pieces of silver. According to Matthew 27:6, 7, the chief priests decided they could not put the money in the sacred treasury so they used it to buy the field. The account in Acts 1:18, 19, speaking about Judas, says: “This very man, therefore, purchased a field with the wages for unrighteousness.” The answer seems to be that the priests purchased the field, but since Judas provided the money, it could be credited to him. Dr. A. Edersheim pointed out: “It was not lawful to take into the Temple-treasury, for the purchase of sacred things, money that had been unlawfully gained. In such cases the Jewish Law provided that the money was to be restored to the donor, and, if he insisted on giving it, that he should be induced to spend it for something for the public weal [well-being]. . . . By a fiction of law the money was still considered to be Judas’, and to have been applied by him in the purchase of the well-known ‘potter’s field.’” (The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah, 1906, Vol. II, p. 575)
Also related to his death is the question of who bought the burial field with the 30 pieces of silver. According to Matthew 27:6, 7, the chief priests decided they could not put the money in the sacred treasury so they used it to buy the field. The account in Acts 1:18, 19, speaking about Judas, says: “This very man, therefore, purchased a field with the wages for unrighteousness.” The answer seems to be that the priests purchased the field, but since Judas provided the money, it could be credited to him. Dr. A. Edersheim pointed out: “It was not lawful to take into the Temple-treasury, for the purchase of sacred things, money that had been unlawfully gained. In such cases the Jewish Law provided that the money was to be restored to the donor, and, if he insisted on giving it, that he should be induced to spend it for something for the public weal [well-being]. . . . By a fiction of law the money was still considered to be Judas’, and to have been applied by him in the purchase of the well-known ‘potter’s field.’” (The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah, 1906, Vol. II, p. 575)
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apologetics has traditionally dealt with the death of judas by concluding that the rope broke as he hanged himself and the fall caused him to burst open...or slight variants of that scenario...
the purchase of the field is more puzzling...personally i suspect that judas may have arranged to buy the field with the money...but returned it to the priests before making good on his payment...then it might be that the priests were obligated in some way since they were now in possession of the money that was owed to the owner of the field...so they may have completed the transaction that judas arranged...
i should add that it seems unlikely that judas could have made anything more than preliminary arrangements for the purchase within the biblically indicated time frame...so my scenario seems feasible...
the purchase of the field is more puzzling...personally i suspect that judas may have arranged to buy the field with the money...but returned it to the priests before making good on his payment...then it might be that the priests were obligated in some way since they were now in possession of the money that was owed to the owner of the field...so they may have completed the transaction that judas arranged...
i should add that it seems unlikely that judas could have made anything more than preliminary arrangements for the purchase within the biblically indicated time frame...so my scenario seems feasible...
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i thought about this for a couple of minutes and then an answer just jumped out at me...
in john 19:30 jesus says 'it is finished'...bows his head...and gives up his spirit...
in luke 23:46 we hear the words by which jesus gave up his spirit...'father into your hands i commit my spirit'...then he breathes his last breath and dies...
in john 19:30 jesus says 'it is finished'...bows his head...and gives up his spirit...
in luke 23:46 we hear the words by which jesus gave up his spirit...'father into your hands i commit my spirit'...then he breathes his last breath and dies...
There are so many verses in the bible that seem to contradict other verses. Usually I can put them together and come to a satisfactory conclusion (for me). But it is amazing what you discover when you put two contradictions together and it means more to you. If you are looking for contradictions and don't want the truth - there are plenty.