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Although CrazyLove already posted this, I thought I would also post it in context.
Ezekiel is speaking to Jerusalem, after the exile, and the destruction the Babylonians caused. That means if the Jews were not exempt, neither are we!
"[SUP]49 [/SUP]Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. [SUP]50 [/SUP]They were haughty and did an abomination before me. So I removed them, when I saw it. " Eze. 16:49-50
The next verse reveals that the sins of both Samaria and the Jews, were WORSE than Sodom. Time to read the whole Bible, and stop with this reading into something that is not there. This thread is eisegesis of the worst sort.
"Samaria has not committed half your sins. You have committed more abominations than they, and have made your sisters appear righteous by all the abominations that you have committed." Eze. 16:51
Ezekiel is speaking to Jerusalem, after the exile, and the destruction the Babylonians caused. That means if the Jews were not exempt, neither are we!
"[SUP]49 [/SUP]Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. [SUP]50 [/SUP]They were haughty and did an abomination before me. So I removed them, when I saw it. " Eze. 16:49-50
The next verse reveals that the sins of both Samaria and the Jews, were WORSE than Sodom. Time to read the whole Bible, and stop with this reading into something that is not there. This thread is eisegesis of the worst sort.
"Samaria has not committed half your sins. You have committed more abominations than they, and have made your sisters appear righteous by all the abominations that you have committed." Eze. 16:51
T
What you did was make statements then used verses to 'prove' your point, when those same verse did not apply at all to your idea.
It has been suggested that the influence of the evilness of the fallen angels by not 'keeping their place,' influenced man into much and many kinds of evil living. The 'cause' of the flood was God's disappointment in man having turned so evil instead of worshiping Him.
As I said in my previous post in regards to this idea: the men of Sodom did not know that the 'men' who came to Lot were angels in human form. Therefore they were after 'men' not angels. Furthermore these angels protected themselves from the on-slot of people trying to get at them, so there was no possibility of 'knowing them.' The men did not want angels, they wanted men!
This is a misleading idea. First of all, what 'sin' are you referring to? The New Testament verses are merely telling us that in the last days it will be very evil as in the days of Noah. Not that there will be the mingling of fallen angels with mankind. Again if you have a verse to support your assumption please list it.
Rapture fallen angels? Do you know what the rapture is about? LOL. The first rapture is for the first fruits of God's church! Also please provide the verse(s) telling us 'many will worship these beautiful beings."
You forgot to quote verse 4, "For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; - -." I believe we can conclude that God did not allow this type of event to happen again. And other angels fallen or not would have been aware of the punishment and very careful not to make the same mistake. These verses are from different times in life and are a warning to us today.
More than one person here has tried to enlighten you that 'strange flesh' does not mean fallen angels. And why would 'it have said' "same flesh?" Because you want it to? Strange - 1 Not previously known, unfamiliar. 2 Differing from the usual; striking or odd. 3 Uncomfortable or peculiar. 4 Not of one's own or a particular locality or kind; alien. 5 Lacking experience.
All of these meanings can be applied to homosexuality.
Your revelation is of your own thinking.
It has been suggested that the influence of the evilness of the fallen angels by not 'keeping their place,' influenced man into much and many kinds of evil living. The 'cause' of the flood was God's disappointment in man having turned so evil instead of worshiping Him.
As I said in my previous post in regards to this idea: the men of Sodom did not know that the 'men' who came to Lot were angels in human form. Therefore they were after 'men' not angels. Furthermore these angels protected themselves from the on-slot of people trying to get at them, so there was no possibility of 'knowing them.' The men did not want angels, they wanted men!
This is a misleading idea. First of all, what 'sin' are you referring to? The New Testament verses are merely telling us that in the last days it will be very evil as in the days of Noah. Not that there will be the mingling of fallen angels with mankind. Again if you have a verse to support your assumption please list it.
Rapture fallen angels? Do you know what the rapture is about? LOL. The first rapture is for the first fruits of God's church! Also please provide the verse(s) telling us 'many will worship these beautiful beings."
You forgot to quote verse 4, "For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; - -." I believe we can conclude that God did not allow this type of event to happen again. And other angels fallen or not would have been aware of the punishment and very careful not to make the same mistake. These verses are from different times in life and are a warning to us today.
More than one person here has tried to enlighten you that 'strange flesh' does not mean fallen angels. And why would 'it have said' "same flesh?" Because you want it to? Strange - 1 Not previously known, unfamiliar. 2 Differing from the usual; striking or odd. 3 Uncomfortable or peculiar. 4 Not of one's own or a particular locality or kind; alien. 5 Lacking experience.
All of these meanings can be applied to homosexuality.
Your revelation is of your own thinking.
T
It is very clear in the same verse: "There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bor children to them. Those were the mighty men were of old, men of renown."
If as some believe, that Noah's flood was local and not global; others, including giants, had already moved away from the flood area before it happened.
If as some believe, that Noah's flood was local and not global; others, including giants, had already moved away from the flood area before it happened.
T
Do you believe Scripture? That it is the written word of God? That it was inspired by Him?
"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,* nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor reviler, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God." 1 Cor. 6:9-10.
*What is the difference? A sodomite is a male homosexual. The men in Sodom are the ones who wanted the 'men' who had come to Lot.
"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,* nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor reviler, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God." 1 Cor. 6:9-10.
*What is the difference? A sodomite is a male homosexual. The men in Sodom are the ones who wanted the 'men' who had come to Lot.
M
I disagree, the sin in Sodom is over and over again mentioned with the sin in the days of Noah, even Christ compared the two together.
So you don't believe the angels reproduced with "the daughters of men" in the days of Noah and had giants? If you don't then of coarse this study is not going to resonate with you.
The angels that reproduced with the "daughters of Men" the looked like men also. The point is that the men of Sodom sure seemed like they had experience with these "type" of men before.
No, not really.
Luk 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
Luk 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Who was eating and drinking= Is that a sin? Who married wives? Fallen angels did. Is it a sin for a man and a woman to marry?
Correctiion, the 144,000 are the firstfruits. How many firstfruits can their be?
Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
Thank you, I accidentally left this out, this only helps my case when you read it as a whole. Don't try to get into the head of these fallen angels and try to rationalize their thinking. Thats like doing the same with satan and saying "he had so much with our great God there is no way he would leave" or "satan shouldn't fight God's will because he knows he will lose". Don't try to wrap your head around the thinking of these beings.
2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
2Pe 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
2Pe 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
No its not my own thinking, I started to question why Sodom is repeatedly mentioned and their sin repeatedly compared to fallen angels and their sin, even Christ Himself did it. Then I started doing research and found out their are many others that came to this very same conclusion. Btw, the definition you provide more suits my explanation than yours.
So you don't believe the angels reproduced with "the daughters of men" in the days of Noah and had giants? If you don't then of coarse this study is not going to resonate with you.
The angels that reproduced with the "daughters of Men" the looked like men also. The point is that the men of Sodom sure seemed like they had experience with these "type" of men before.
No, not really.
Luk 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
Luk 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Who was eating and drinking= Is that a sin? Who married wives? Fallen angels did. Is it a sin for a man and a woman to marry?
Correctiion, the 144,000 are the firstfruits. How many firstfruits can their be?
Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
Thank you, I accidentally left this out, this only helps my case when you read it as a whole. Don't try to get into the head of these fallen angels and try to rationalize their thinking. Thats like doing the same with satan and saying "he had so much with our great God there is no way he would leave" or "satan shouldn't fight God's will because he knows he will lose". Don't try to wrap your head around the thinking of these beings.
2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
2Pe 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
2Pe 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
More than one person here has tried to enlighten you that 'strange flesh' does not mean fallen angels. And why would 'it have said' "same flesh?" Because you want it to? Strange - 1 Not previously known, unfamiliar. 2 Differing from the usual; striking or odd. 3 Uncomfortable or peculiar. 4 Not of one's own or a particular locality or kind; alien. 5 Lacking experience.
All of these meanings can be applied to homosexuality.
Your revelation is of your own thinking.
All of these meanings can be applied to homosexuality.
Your revelation is of your own thinking.
M
Yes very good scripture I planned on bringing up.
Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
This shows that more fallens angels came after the flood
Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
This shows that more fallens angels came after the flood