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Savedbygrace, by what you said above the whole world is saved we have universal salvation. So those that do choose unbelief are saved. Claiming they shall be saved or actuaslly already are since Christ died for the sins of the whole world
Christ died for yes all the world's sins John 1:29 the witness to this.
But Christ left one thing he did not die for and that is unbelief, and unbelief is blasphemy and will never be forgiven
Hebrews 3:19So we see that they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief.
1 Timothy 1:13Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief.
Romans 11:20Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble.
Romans 4:20Yet he did not waver through unbelief regarding the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God,
John 12:37[ Belief and Unbelief Among the Jews ] Even after Jesus had performed so many signs in their presence, they still would not believe in him
2 Thessalonians 2:13[ Stand Firm ] But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers and sisters loved by the Lord, because God chose you as firstfruits to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth.
John 15:26[ The Work of the Holy Spirit ] “When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me.
John 16:8When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment:
John 16:8When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment:
John 16:9about sin, because people do not believe in me;
All those at the end of the age that choose or have chosen to not believe remain dead in their sins for they never came to life and would have if they had ever believed not just say they do for many will say they did this and that in his name and Christ will say go away you who work iniquity
Matthew 7:23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Matthew 23:28Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
Those that do not believe take advantage
Hebrews 2:3How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
So Brother what it all boils down to is either belief or unbelief, now belief is not just saying I believe for the demons do this. The problem is they do not excercise thier so called belief, they do not put thier trust in God. But thier mouth speaks the word (s) but thier heart is far away from Christ
James 2:19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1 Corinthians 10:21Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.
All in love to you savedbygrace
Homwardbound
Christ died for yes all the world's sins John 1:29 the witness to this.
But Christ left one thing he did not die for and that is unbelief, and unbelief is blasphemy and will never be forgiven
Hebrews 3:19So we see that they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief.
1 Timothy 1:13Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief.
Romans 11:20Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble.
Romans 4:20Yet he did not waver through unbelief regarding the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God,
John 12:37[ Belief and Unbelief Among the Jews ] Even after Jesus had performed so many signs in their presence, they still would not believe in him
2 Thessalonians 2:13[ Stand Firm ] But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers and sisters loved by the Lord, because God chose you as firstfruits to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth.
John 15:26[ The Work of the Holy Spirit ] “When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me.
John 16:8When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment:
John 16:8When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment:
John 16:9about sin, because people do not believe in me;
All those at the end of the age that choose or have chosen to not believe remain dead in their sins for they never came to life and would have if they had ever believed not just say they do for many will say they did this and that in his name and Christ will say go away you who work iniquity
Matthew 7:23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Matthew 23:28Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
Those that do not believe take advantage
Hebrews 2:3How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
So Brother what it all boils down to is either belief or unbelief, now belief is not just saying I believe for the demons do this. The problem is they do not excercise thier so called belief, they do not put thier trust in God. But thier mouth speaks the word (s) but thier heart is far away from Christ
James 2:19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1 Corinthians 10:21Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.
All in love to you savedbygrace
Homwardbound
hom
That's what you say, I never said that. I don't believe in Universalism so please do not misrepresent what I have stated. The statement was made that Christ's death does not save, and that's false witnessing, for Christ's Death heals those He died for, Testimony is given here 1 Pet 2:24
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Now, whosever sins He bare in His Body, they were healed by His Stripes. Healed means:
to cure, heal
2) to make whole
a) to free from errors and sins, to bring about (one's) salvation
That's what you say, I never said that. I don't believe in Universalism so please do not misrepresent what I have stated. The statement was made that Christ's death does not save, and that's false witnessing, for Christ's Death heals those He died for, Testimony is given here 1 Pet 2:24
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Now, whosever sins He bare in His Body, they were healed by His Stripes. Healed means:
to cure, heal
2) to make whole
a) to free from errors and sins, to bring about (one's) salvation
star
Repentance and Faith are evidences of Salvation, they accompany Salvation, they are given in Salvation, but they are not conditions for Salvation, for that's making Salvation conditioned upon works of men, which is unscriptural !
Also you failed to address the fact that those Christ died for have been reconciled to God while they are unbelievers, which shows they benefited from the Death of Christ as unbelievers, now please address that fact !
Repentance and Faith are evidences of Salvation, they accompany Salvation, they are given in Salvation, but they are not conditions for Salvation, for that's making Salvation conditioned upon works of men, which is unscriptural !
Also you failed to address the fact that those Christ died for have been reconciled to God while they are unbelievers, which shows they benefited from the Death of Christ as unbelievers, now please address that fact !
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All those reconciled to God by the Death of His Son, even while they were experientially being enemies in and of themselves by nature, even children of wrath as others by nature, yet through being reconciled to God, and accepted in His Favor, they must therefore be Perfect in His sight, because God accepts no one or thing less than Perfection, for His Holiness demands it.
Whatever, if its not absolutely Perfect, Cannot be accepted with God ! But that Death of Christ, by which all for whom Christ died, and did reconcile to God thereby, even while being enemies, that Death of His or His Offering of Himself for them, made them Perfect before God ! Heb 10:14
14 For by one offering[His Death] he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Whatever, if its not absolutely Perfect, Cannot be accepted with God ! But that Death of Christ, by which all for whom Christ died, and did reconcile to God thereby, even while being enemies, that Death of His or His Offering of Himself for them, made them Perfect before God ! Heb 10:14
14 For by one offering[His Death] he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Buit no one is saved by the death somehow there is mis understanding here, The death yes came to all and yes we are healed yet not all hve recieved this and those that hgave recieved some have refused belief and still on thier own and some ahve accepted and went onto new life in the Spirit of God where God can only be worshipped
John 4:23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
John 14:17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
No flesh in God's sight will ever please God and all sinhas been (past tense) comdemned to the flesh
Romans 8:3For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh,
one has to be born again of the Spirit of God by the operation of god and this comes from believing God.
John 3:7You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’
John 3:3Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”
1 Peter 1:23For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.
And all know whether or not they are his by
Romans 8:16The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.
And if this is not so; then they are none of his, those who have not moved on to the new life here and now being born of God through the full Gospel of the cross., being found in the resurrection where life is. The death is death period there is no life in death, even though the whole world is forgiven
John 4:23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
John 14:17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
No flesh in God's sight will ever please God and all sinhas been (past tense) comdemned to the flesh
Romans 8:3For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh,
one has to be born again of the Spirit of God by the operation of god and this comes from believing God.
John 3:7You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’
John 3:3Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”
1 Peter 1:23For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.
And all know whether or not they are his by
Romans 8:16The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.
And if this is not so; then they are none of his, those who have not moved on to the new life here and now being born of God through the full Gospel of the cross., being found in the resurrection where life is. The death is death period there is no life in death, even though the whole world is forgiven
There is no benefit in death, death again is death no life in death noone benefits from death unless they agree in the death of christ that they are forgiven and in need (dead themselves) of new life and that new life is found in the resurrection That is when one recives the benefit of the death of Christ in the new life that has been given by belief they see this and are exceptionally thnkful
hom
Uh excuse me, I am speaking of Christ's Death, are you saying there is no benefit in His Death ? If so, please show us that scripture !
Also you failed to address the fact that those Christ died for have been reconciled to God while they are unbelievers, which shows they benefited from the Death of Christ as unbelievers, now please address that fact !
Uh excuse me, I am speaking of Christ's Death, are you saying there is no benefit in His Death ? If so, please show us that scripture !
Also you failed to address the fact that those Christ died for have been reconciled to God while they are unbelievers, which shows they benefited from the Death of Christ as unbelievers, now please address that fact !
absolutely so Christ did this and when one comes to beleif sees this and has benefited from the total full Gospel the death, burial and resurrection. but when one does not accept this fact and does not believe then they are not born agian. that is what free choice is about today either one believes in this miraculous salvation of God the Father through Christ or they don't. and ther are those that have made thier conscious descision, yet act as if they belong not dividing truth correctly, and thier are those that do beleive that are learning to divide correctly and will because God is faithful therefore I out my trust in God not self or others yet discern waht others say through the hidden man of my heart and will get the increase from God himself and know truth that sets me free
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hom
You need to show the scripture that states:
Also you contradict Peters Testimony 1 Pet 2:24
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Healed here means:
to cure, heal
2) to make whole
a) to free from errors and sins, to bring about (one's) salvation
You need to show the scripture that states:
Also you contradict Peters Testimony 1 Pet 2:24
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Healed here means:
to cure, heal
2) to make whole
a) to free from errors and sins, to bring about (one's) salvation
hom
I did not write 1 Pet 2:24
Also you contradict Peters Testimony 1 Pet 2:24
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes[Christ's Death] ye were healed.
Healed here means:
to cure, heal
2) to make whole
a) to free from errors and sins, to bring about (one's) salvation
That's what being healed produces !
I did not write 1 Pet 2:24
Also you contradict Peters Testimony 1 Pet 2:24
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes[Christ's Death] ye were healed.
Healed here means:
to cure, heal
2) to make whole
a) to free from errors and sins, to bring about (one's) salvation
That's what being healed produces !
Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! do you go around in life splitting hairs and trying to make flesh be flesh the Old man? It is all riught in front of you youur post 45 I agreed with what Christ has don and in romans
Romans 5:10For since our friendship with God was restored by the death of his Son while we were still his enemies, we will certainly be saved through the life of his Son.
Not saved by death by life
Ephesians 2:5that even though we were dead because of our sins, he gave us life when he raised Christ from the dead. (It is only by God’s grace that you have been saved!)
Romans 8:11The Spirit of God, who raised Jesus from the dead, lives in you. And just as God raised Christ Jesus from the dead, he will give life to your mortal bodies by this same Spirit living within you.
Romans 8:34Who then will condemn us? No one—for Christ Jesus died for us and was raised to life for us, and he is sitting in the place of honor at God’s right hand, pleading for us.
Romans 11:15For since their rejection meant that God offered salvation to the rest of the world, their acceptance will be even more wonderful. It will be life for those who were dead!
Romans 14:17For the Kingdom of God is not a matter of what we eat or drink, but of living a life of goodness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
1 Corinthians 3:1[ Paul and Apollos, Servants of Christ ] Dear brothers and sisters, when I was with you I couldn’t talk to you as I would to spiritual people. I had to talk as though you belonged to this world or as though you were infants in the Christian life.
1 Corinthians 15:45The Scriptures tell us, “The first man, Adam, became a living person.” But the last Adam—that is, Christ—is a life-giving Spirit
Again Brother there is no life in death life is in the resurrction of Christ
Without the resurrection
1 Corinthians 15:1[ The Resurrection of Christ ] Let me now remind you, dear brothers and sisters, of the Good News I preached to you before. You welcomed it then, and you still stand firm in it.
1 Corinthians 15:12[ The Resurrection of the Dead ] But tell me this—since we preach that Christ rose from the dead, why are some of you saying there will be no resurrection of the dead?
1 Corinthians 15:13For if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ has not been raised either.
1 Corinthians 15:15And we apostles would all be lying about God—for we have said that God raised Christ from the grave. But that can’t be true if there is no resurrection of the dead.
1 Corinthians 15:16And if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ has not been raised.
1 Corinthians 15:21So you see, just as death came into the world through a man, now the resurrection from the dead has begun through another man.
1 Corinthians 15:17And if Christ has not been raised, then your faith is useless and you are still guilty of your sins.
So you see we need the life of christ otherwise the death would not be valid we are all in need of both
Romans 5:10For since our friendship with God was restored by the death of his Son while we were still his enemies, we will certainly be saved through the life of his Son.
Not saved by death by life
Ephesians 2:5that even though we were dead because of our sins, he gave us life when he raised Christ from the dead. (It is only by God’s grace that you have been saved!)
Romans 8:11The Spirit of God, who raised Jesus from the dead, lives in you. And just as God raised Christ Jesus from the dead, he will give life to your mortal bodies by this same Spirit living within you.
Romans 8:34Who then will condemn us? No one—for Christ Jesus died for us and was raised to life for us, and he is sitting in the place of honor at God’s right hand, pleading for us.
Romans 11:15For since their rejection meant that God offered salvation to the rest of the world, their acceptance will be even more wonderful. It will be life for those who were dead!
Romans 14:17For the Kingdom of God is not a matter of what we eat or drink, but of living a life of goodness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
1 Corinthians 3:1[ Paul and Apollos, Servants of Christ ] Dear brothers and sisters, when I was with you I couldn’t talk to you as I would to spiritual people. I had to talk as though you belonged to this world or as though you were infants in the Christian life.
1 Corinthians 15:45The Scriptures tell us, “The first man, Adam, became a living person.” But the last Adam—that is, Christ—is a life-giving Spirit
Again Brother there is no life in death life is in the resurrction of Christ
Without the resurrection
1 Corinthians 15:1[ The Resurrection of Christ ] Let me now remind you, dear brothers and sisters, of the Good News I preached to you before. You welcomed it then, and you still stand firm in it.
1 Corinthians 15:12[ The Resurrection of the Dead ] But tell me this—since we preach that Christ rose from the dead, why are some of you saying there will be no resurrection of the dead?
1 Corinthians 15:13For if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ has not been raised either.
1 Corinthians 15:15And we apostles would all be lying about God—for we have said that God raised Christ from the grave. But that can’t be true if there is no resurrection of the dead.
1 Corinthians 15:16And if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ has not been raised.
1 Corinthians 15:21So you see, just as death came into the world through a man, now the resurrection from the dead has begun through another man.
1 Corinthians 15:17And if Christ has not been raised, then your faith is useless and you are still guilty of your sins.
So you see we need the life of christ otherwise the death would not be valid we are all in need of both
Tell me do you live unto righteousness, do you not ever sin anymore can you predict the future?
Waht is righteousness to you? Do you have any of your own? are we saved by works ang this produces faith? or are we saved by Faith in the completed cross which includes the resurrection of Christ that produces works not of our own but of Christ?
Who is christ to you? To me Christ is my Lord and Savior that brought mne before God the Father presented me Holy to Father by what he had done which was take away all sinfrom the Father' sight so that if and I decided to believe I would recieve the resurrection of Christ being born again of the Spirit of God, thanking and praising his name forever more non stop in thankfulness
How about you?
Waht is righteousness to you? Do you have any of your own? are we saved by works ang this produces faith? or are we saved by Faith in the completed cross which includes the resurrection of Christ that produces works not of our own but of Christ?
Who is christ to you? To me Christ is my Lord and Savior that brought mne before God the Father presented me Holy to Father by what he had done which was take away all sinfrom the Father' sight so that if and I decided to believe I would recieve the resurrection of Christ being born again of the Spirit of God, thanking and praising his name forever more non stop in thankfulness
How about you?
Reconcile means to "restore to friendship or harmony" according to the dictionary. So to be reconciled doesn't work the way you seem to be using it. An "enemy" is not reconciled. Also, I looked up John 3:36 in a number of Bible versions that say "The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who disobeys the Son will not see life. Instead, the wrath of God remains on him." Obedience is a requirement along with faith, if we want to acquire the gift that Christs sacrifice made possible. Because until Christ sacrifice, people were not able to go to God for forgiveness except with blood offerings. The reason we no longer are required to make sacrifices as the Mosaic Law required, is because Christ was the one perfect blood sacrifice for all people. Now we have the provision of going to God thru Christ and asking for forgiveness. If you need proof that it is clear that obedience is absolutely mandatory to God, I'll give the list. Starting with the scripture you quoted at John 3:36. Just because Christ died for all mankind, does not mean that salvation or everlasting life is guaranteed on the grounds of simply believing that Christ died for us. But thanks to God for sending his son as a once and for all ransom sacrifice, we have the opportunity to choose and behave (obey) accordingly.
So many words for something so simple.
We cannot make ourselves acceptable, or holy, or saved only God can.
We are to go to Christ for forgiveness after we repent.
We are to love the Lord our God with all our heart , mind, and might.
Included in that love is to oey all we can.
Not one of these facts cancels out any other of these facts. They are ALL true. At the same time.
We cannot make ourselves acceptable, or holy, or saved only God can.
We are to go to Christ for forgiveness after we repent.
We are to love the Lord our God with all our heart , mind, and might.
Included in that love is to oey all we can.
Not one of these facts cancels out any other of these facts. They are ALL true. At the same time.
2 tim
I know what the word means. Its the greek word katallassō:
to change, exchange, as coins for others of equivalent value
a) to reconcile (those who are at variance)
b) return to favour with, be reconciled to one
c) to receive one into favour
That's false and contradicts the Testimony of Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God [How]by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Are you denying that these enemies of God were reconciled to God by Christ's Death ????
I know what the word means. Its the greek word katallassō:
to change, exchange, as coins for others of equivalent value
a) to reconcile (those who are at variance)
b) return to favour with, be reconciled to one
c) to receive one into favour
That's false and contradicts the Testimony of Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God [How]by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Are you denying that these enemies of God were reconciled to God by Christ's Death ????